NEw computer for college

Well for graduation my parents are gettign me a computer, and they’re
letting me configure it. I’m probably going to go through dell or micron
or another big one because of support. I won’t wanna waste time trying to
get my compter to work when I ahve a term paper due.

A few questions though.

  1. I don’t want XP or ME and the only other choice is 2000. What do I lose
    by going with 2000? Just Dos functionality or is there a lot more that
    I lose by using them? So, will I be able to use the same stuff I’ve
    always used in 98(games, design software, photoshope etc. or will I
    need different versions?)
  2. Is there any reason to go with Intel’s P4 or shoulo I go for the
    slightly cheaper Athlons?
  3. Is RDRAM worth it or should I stick with SDRAM. I’ve heard mixed stuff
    about RDRAM. Also, I think this was asked earlier - Is more RDRAM
    actually worse than less? I remember hearing that too much actually
    results in a loss of speed.
  4. Anything you wish you had on your that you didn’t think to get. Wanna
    make sure I ain’t missing anything.

Thanks


Brian Wilmot http://www.jumpnow.net/ http://www.uglybillboards.com/ “You
can die but you’re never dead” - Red Hot Chili Peppers

i dont know about the support thing… if you have a paper due and you
have to get it done really quick, im not sure how much the techies would
be able to help you… besides that, you could always go to a lab and and
work there if your system is beyond repair at that time…

you dont lose much by going to 2k… i have a few games that wont run, but
they are so old and outdated i wouldnt play them much if at all… one i
remember off the top of my head is viper racing… there were some other
flight sims that didnt run but oh well… my copies of photoshop6, paint
shop pro 6 & 7 work (never tried 5 in 2k), and page maker 6.5 all work,
thats most of my design stuff, my demo of hotdog 6 runs…

slightly cheaper athlons? :wink: i wouldnt use a p4. you may want to wait for
the amd palminos to be released and tested, but by the sounds of it, you
probably want your system now. id get a tbird (if you build your own and
want to do some ocing look for the axia chips or AYHJA is the other good
ocing chip) pc133 ram (sdram) with your amd, there are some ‘issues’ with
the 760 chipsets (ddr boards) which are supposedly being fixed soon…
ddr is good, if it would work right… rdram is only available on p4
boards at the moment… its fast, but not worth the cost imo. i dont like
rdram, not because of the prices, but the company sucks as well. :wink:

nothing that i can think of that i wish i had gotten… usually if i think
of that ill just buy it and cram it in my box… :wink: one thing im thinking
about is the new klipsch pro media speakers coming out july 1…
5.1 surround thx certified and so on… look on their site for more
info, ive got the v.2-400 and i love them… im not too sure if i
want to put a
6.1 system on my computer, since its mainly for dvd and i have another
setup for that…


Tony Raineri http://www.woogu.com

“Brian Wilmot” <bwilmot@jumpnow.net> wrote in message
news:9gm1c5$cje$1@constitution.worldwebserver.com
> Well for graduation my parents are gettign me a computer, and they’re
> letting me configure it. I’m probably going to go through dell or micron
or
> another big one because of support. I won’t wanna waste time trying to
> get my compter to work when I ahve a term paper due.
>
> A few questions though.
> 1) I don’t want XP or ME and the only other choice is 2000. What do I
> lose by going with 2000? Just Dos functionality or is there a lot
> more that I lose by using them? So, will I be able to use the same
> stuff I’ve always used in 98(games, design software, photoshope etc.
> or will I need
different
> versions?)
> 2) Is there any reason to go with Intel’s P4 or shoulo I go for the
slightly
> cheaper Athlons?
> 3) Is RDRAM worth it or should I stick with SDRAM. I’ve heard mixed
> stuff about RDRAM. Also, I think this was asked earlier - Is more
> RDRAM actually worse than less? I remember hearing that too much
> actually results in a
loss
> of speed.
> 4) Anything you wish you had on your that you didn’t think to get. Wanna
> make sure I ain’t missing anything.
>
> Thanks

Windows 2000 has no drawbacks.

P4 is slower than Athlon.

RDRAM is not worth it.

You can build your own computer a lot cheaper.

Epox KTA3+ MB + 1.3ghz Athlon CPU + 256mb Ram + case = $600 for my
roommate, I just built this for him last week.

HDD - $200 for 60gb

Video - $100

This is screaming machine with a really advanced MB with 6 PCI slots and
temperature monitoring.

“Brian Wilmot” <bwilmot@jumpnow.net> wrote in message
news:9gm1c5$cje$1@constitution.worldwebserver.com
> Well for graduation my parents are gettign me a computer, and they’re
> letting me configure it. I’m probably going to go through dell or micron
or
> another big one because of support. I won’t wanna waste time trying to
> get my compter to work when I ahve a term paper due.
>
> A few questions though.
> 1) I don’t want XP or ME and the only other choice is 2000. What do I
> lose by going with 2000? Just Dos functionality or is there a lot
> more that I lose by using them? So, will I be able to use the same
> stuff I’ve always used in 98(games, design software, photoshope etc.
> or will I need
different
> versions?)
> 2) Is there any reason to go with Intel’s P4 or shoulo I go for the
slightly
> cheaper Athlons?
> 3) Is RDRAM worth it or should I stick with SDRAM. I’ve heard mixed
> stuff about RDRAM. Also, I think this was asked earlier - Is more
> RDRAM actually worse than less? I remember hearing that too much
> actually results in a
loss
> of speed.
> 4) Anything you wish you had on your that you didn’t think to get. Wanna
> make sure I ain’t missing anything.
>
> Thanks
>
> –
> Brian Wilmot http://www.jumpnow.net/ http://www.uglybillboards.com/ "You
> can die but you’re never dead" - Red Hot Chili Peppers

Goto the following URL and learn all about hardware and software issues
and Win 2000 http://www.microsoft.com/windows2000/server/howtobuy/upgradi-
ng/compat/defaul
t.asp

I made the switch and have been very happy but had I not gone to the above
site first I would have had a much harder time makeing the changer over.

Gary Stein “Brian Wilmot” <bwilmot@jumpnow.net> wrote in message
news:9gm1c5$cje$1@constitution.worldwebserver.com
> Well for graduation my parents are gettign me a computer, and they’re
> letting me configure it. I’m probably going to go through dell or micron
or
> another big one because of support. I won’t wanna waste time trying to
> get my compter to work when I ahve a term paper due.
>
> A few questions though.
> 1) I don’t want XP or ME and the only other choice is 2000. What do I
> lose by going with 2000? Just Dos functionality or is there a lot
> more that I lose by using them? So, will I be able to use the same
> stuff I’ve always used in 98(games, design software, photoshope etc.
> or will I need
different
> versions?)
> 2) Is there any reason to go with Intel’s P4 or shoulo I go for the
slightly
> cheaper Athlons?
> 3) Is RDRAM worth it or should I stick with SDRAM. I’ve heard mixed
> stuff about RDRAM. Also, I think this was asked earlier - Is more
> RDRAM actually worse than less? I remember hearing that too much
> actually results in a
loss
> of speed.
> 4) Anything you wish you had on your that you didn’t think to get. Wanna
> make sure I ain’t missing anything.
>
> Thanks
>
> –
> Brian Wilmot http://www.jumpnow.net/ http://www.uglybillboards.com/ "You
> can die but you’re never dead" - Red Hot Chili Peppers

where do you get most of your computer parts from? One place? many? I’m
thinking that maybe I should just build my own.


Brian Wilmot http://www.jumpnow.net/ http://www.uglybillboards.com/ “You
can die but you’re never dead” - Red Hot Chili Peppers “Leonid S. Knyshov
at Home” <lknyshov@pctips.com> wrote in message
news:9gm3p3$dci$1@constitution.worldwebserver.com
> Windows 2000 has no drawbacks.
>
> P4 is slower than Athlon.
>
> RDRAM is not worth it.
>
> You can build your own computer a lot cheaper.
>
> Epox KTA3+ MB + 1.3ghz Athlon CPU + 256mb Ram + case = $600 for my
roommate,
> I just built this for him last week.
>
> HDD - $200 for 60gb
>
> Video - $100
>
> This is screaming machine with a really advanced MB with 6 PCI slots and
> temperature monitoring.
>
> “Brian Wilmot” <bwilmot@jumpnow.net> wrote in message
> news:9gm1c5$cje$1@constitution.worldwebserver.com
> > Well for graduation my parents are gettign me a computer, and they’re
> > letting me configure it. I’m probably going to go through dell or
> > micron
> or
> > another big one because of support. I won’t wanna waste time trying to
get
> > my compter to work when I ahve a term paper due.
> >
> > A few questions though.
> > 1) I don’t want XP or ME and the only other choice is 2000. What do I
lose
> > by going with 2000? Just Dos functionality or is there a lot more
> > that I lose by using them? So, will I be able to use the same stuff
> > I’ve always used in 98(games, design software, photoshope etc. or
> > will I need
> different
> > versions?)
> > 2) Is there any reason to go with Intel’s P4 or shoulo I go for the
> slightly
> > cheaper Athlons?
> > 3) Is RDRAM worth it or should I stick with SDRAM. I’ve heard mixed
stuff
> > about RDRAM. Also, I think this was asked earlier - Is more RDRAM
actually
> > worse than less? I remember hearing that too much actually
> > results in a
> loss
> > of speed.
> > 4) Anything you wish you had on your that you didn’t think to get.
> > Wanna make sure I ain’t missing anything.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > –
> > Brian Wilmot http://www.jumpnow.net/ http://www.uglybillboards.com/
> > “You can die but you’re never dead” - Red Hot Chili Peppers
> >
>

http://www.pricewatch.com has a search that allows you to find parts at
good prices… some sites arent very good though so be careful who you deal
with… http://www.resellerratings.com/ is a good place to check them out
if you feel the need.

i was wondering what video card leo got for $100… gf2mx?


Tony Raineri http://www.woogu.com

“Brian Wilmot” <bwilmot@jumpnow.net> wrote in message
news:9gm3t6$dep$1@constitution.worldwebserver.com
> where do you get most of your computer parts from? One place? many? I’m
> thinking that maybe I should just build my own.
>
> –
> Brian Wilmot http://www.jumpnow.net/ http://www.uglybillboards.com/ "You
> can die but you’re never dead" - Red Hot Chili Peppers "Leonid S.
> Knyshov at Home" <lknyshov@pctips.com> wrote in message
> news:9gm3p3$dci$1@constitution.worldwebserver.com
> > Windows 2000 has no drawbacks.
> >
> > P4 is slower than Athlon.
> >
> > RDRAM is not worth it.
> >
> > You can build your own computer a lot cheaper.
> >
> > Epox KTA3+ MB + 1.3ghz Athlon CPU + 256mb Ram + case = $600 for my
> roommate,
> > I just built this for him last week.
> >
> > HDD - $200 for 60gb
> >
> > Video - $100
> >
> > This is screaming machine with a really advanced MB with 6 PCI slots
> > and temperature monitoring.
> >
> > “Brian Wilmot” <bwilmot@jumpnow.net> wrote in message
> > news:9gm1c5$cje$1@constitution.worldwebserver.com
> > > Well for graduation my parents are gettign me a computer, and
> > > they’re letting me configure it. I’m probably going to go through
> > > dell or
micron
> > or
> > > another big one because of support. I won’t wanna waste time
> > > trying to
> get
> > > my compter to work when I ahve a term paper due.
> > >
> > > A few questions though.
> > > 1) I don’t want XP or ME and the only other choice is 2000. What do
> > > I
> lose
> > > by going with 2000? Just Dos functionality or is there a lot more
> > > that
I
> > > lose by using them? So, will I be able to use the same stuff I’ve
always
> > > used in 98(games, design software, photoshope etc. or will I need
> > different
> > > versions?)
> > > 2) Is there any reason to go with Intel’s P4 or shoulo I go for the
> > slightly
> > > cheaper Athlons?
> > > 3) Is RDRAM worth it or should I stick with SDRAM. I’ve heard mixed
> stuff
> > > about RDRAM. Also, I think this was asked earlier - Is more RDRAM
> actually
> > > worse than less? I remember hearing that too much actually
> > > results in
a
> > loss
> > > of speed.
> > > 4) Anything you wish you had on your that you didn’t think to get.
Wanna
> > > make sure I ain’t missing anything.
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > >
> > > –
> > > Brian Wilmot http://www.jumpnow.net/ http://www.uglybillboards.com/
> > > “You can die but you’re never dead” - Red Hot Chili Peppers
> > >
> > >
> >
>

Videocards are commodity. We needed a board, so I grabbed whatever was
most interesting on the shelf under $100.

I shop locally at Fry’s :).

“Tony Ranieri” <woo_boy@puckoff.com> wrote in message
news:9gm46n$dhs$1@constitution.worldwebserver.com
> http://www.pricewatch.com has a search that allows you to find parts at
good
> prices… some sites arent very good though so be careful who you deal
> with… http://www.resellerratings.com/ is a good place to check them
> out if you feel the need.
>
> i was wondering what video card leo got for $100… gf2mx?
>
> –
> Tony Raineri http://www.woogu.com
>
>
> “Brian Wilmot” <bwilmot@jumpnow.net> wrote in message
> news:9gm3t6$dep$1@constitution.worldwebserver.com
> > where do you get most of your computer parts from? One place? many?
> > I’m thinking that maybe I should just build my own.
> >
> > –
> > Brian Wilmot http://www.jumpnow.net/ http://www.uglybillboards.com/
> > “You can die but you’re never dead” - Red Hot Chili Peppers "Leonid S.
> > Knyshov at Home" <lknyshov@pctips.com> wrote in message
> > news:9gm3p3$dci$1@constitution.worldwebserver.com
> > > Windows 2000 has no drawbacks.
> > >
> > > P4 is slower than Athlon.
> > >
> > > RDRAM is not worth it.
> > >
> > > You can build your own computer a lot cheaper.
> > >
> > > Epox KTA3+ MB + 1.3ghz Athlon CPU + 256mb Ram + case = $600 for my
> > roommate,
> > > I just built this for him last week.
> > >
> > > HDD - $200 for 60gb
> > >
> > > Video - $100
> > >
> > > This is screaming machine with a really advanced MB with 6 PCI slots
and
> > > temperature monitoring.
> > >
> > > “Brian Wilmot” <bwilmot@jumpnow.net> wrote in message
> > > news:9gm1c5$cje$1@constitution.worldwebserver.com
> > > > Well for graduation my parents are gettign me a computer, and
they’re
> > > > letting me configure it. I’m probably going to go through dell or
> micron
> > > or
> > > > another big one because of support. I won’t wanna waste time
> > > > trying
to
> > get
> > > > my compter to work when I ahve a term paper due.
> > > >
> > > > A few questions though.
> > > > 1) I don’t want XP or ME and the only other choice is 2000. What
> > > > do
I
> > lose
> > > > by going with 2000? Just Dos functionality or is there a lot more
that
> I
> > > > lose by using them? So, will I be able to use the same stuff I’ve
> always
> > > > used in 98(games, design software, photoshope etc. or will I need
> > > different
> > > > versions?)
> > > > 2) Is there any reason to go with Intel’s P4 or shoulo I go for
> > > > the
> > > slightly
> > > > cheaper Athlons?
> > > > 3) Is RDRAM worth it or should I stick with SDRAM. I’ve heard
> > > > mixed
> > stuff
> > > > about RDRAM. Also, I think this was asked earlier - Is more RDRAM
> > actually
> > > > worse than less? I remember hearing that too much actually results
in
> a
> > > loss
> > > > of speed.
> > > > 4) Anything you wish you had on your that you didn’t think to get.
> Wanna
> > > > make sure I ain’t missing anything.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks
> > > >
> > > > –
> > > > Brian Wilmot http://www.jumpnow.net/
> > > > http://www.uglybillboards.com/ “You can die but you’re never dead”
> > > > - Red Hot Chili Peppers
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>

“Brian Wilmot” <bwilmot@jumpnow.net> wrote in message
news:9gm1c5$cje$1@constitution.worldwebserver.com
> Well for graduation my parents are gettign me a computer, and they’re
> letting me configure it. I’m probably going to go through dell or micron
or
> another big one because of support. I won’t wanna waste time trying to
> get my compter to work when I ahve a term paper due.
>
First question what is your budget if it does not inculde the cost of an
onsite support contract the advantage of a major vendor is not very great.
And like Leo says you can build a better machine for less money. But if
your willing to spend the several hundred dollars on a onsite support
contract then going with a big name vendor makes sense. But make sure you
understand who gets to decide when work is needed and what is covered
under the onsite support agreement they can run the range of very good
deals to total rip offs depending on the contract in question.

> A few questions though.
> 1) I don’t want XP or ME and the only other choice is 2000. What do I
> lose by going with 2000? Just Dos functionality or is there a lot
> more that I lose by using them? So, will I be able to use the same
> stuff I’ve always used in 98(games, design software, photoshope etc.
> or will I need
different
> versions?)

Go with 2000 see my other post about compatability issues.

> 2) Is there any reason to go with Intel’s P4 or shoulo I go for the
slightly
> cheaper Athlons?

Supposedly XP for Home and XP Professional will enable the P4 to reach
it’s full potential under Win 98, ME and the current release of 2000 P 4’s
are slower then PIII’s so go with an Athlon or a high speed PIII which is
what I did they are even cheaper then the high end Athlons and depending
on what software your running are either just as fast or only slightly
slower then the Athlon and they are much easier to deal with compatability
wise in my opinion the Athlon’s have historically had problems with some
AGP video cards and with new standards such as USB 2.0 and firewire. The
PIII’s just seem like them most bang for the low cost buck right know, but
if your looking to say you have the hottest PC possiable then the Athlon
is the way to go but remember the speed improvement is so small over the
PIII that in most cases you won’t be able to tell the difference anything
less then a 20% improvement is not noticable by the average user and
PIII’s running at the same speeds as an Athlon are usealy less only 5% to
10% slower then the Athlon.

> 3) Is RDRAM worth it or should I stick with SDRAM. I’ve heard mixed
> stuff about RDRAM. Also, I think this was asked earlier - Is more
> RDRAM actually worse than less? I remember hearing that too much
> actually results in a
loss
> of speed.

Not worth the cost for RDRAM but if you go with an Athlon look into Double
Data rate RAM that RAM is much faster then standard SDRAM and much less
costly the RAMBUS memory.

> 4) Anything you wish you had on your that you didn’t think to get. Wanna
> make sure I ain’t missing anything.

One of the new combo DVD, DVD-RAM, CD-ROM, CD-RW, CD-RAM all in one drive
units to save on IDE channels and to make the machine simpler and easier
to use, hardware MPEG so DVD movies will play better on the my PC. A
minimum of
(2) 40 GB, or larger, ATA-100 compilient, high RPM (7,200 or 10,000 RPM)
drives, and an IDE RAID controler that is ATA-100 compilient and
supports multi channel cached DMA reads and writes to the array.

Gary Stein
>
> Thanks
>
> –
> Brian Wilmot http://www.jumpnow.net/ http://www.uglybillboards.com/ "You
> can die but you’re never dead" - Red Hot Chili Peppers

OK there are shitloads of Computer cases there. You’ve all probably know
or ahve a good cheap one. I need three 5" external slots, but other than
that I don’t really care. What have ya got?


Brian Wilmot http://www.jumpnow.net/ http://www.uglybillboards.com/ “You
can die but you’re never dead” - Red Hot Chili Peppers “Tony Ranieri”
<woo_boy@puckoff.com> wrote in message
news:9gm46n$dhs$1@constitution.worldwebserver.com
> http://www.pricewatch.com has a search that allows you to find parts at
good
> prices… some sites arent very good though so be careful who you deal
> with… http://www.resellerratings.com/ is a good place to check them
> out if you feel the need.
>
> i was wondering what video card leo got for $100… gf2mx?
>
> –
> Tony Raineri http://www.woogu.com
>
>
> “Brian Wilmot” <bwilmot@jumpnow.net> wrote in message
> news:9gm3t6$dep$1@constitution.worldwebserver.com
> > where do you get most of your computer parts from? One place? many?
> > I’m thinking that maybe I should just build my own.
> >
> > –
> > Brian Wilmot http://www.jumpnow.net/ http://www.uglybillboards.com/
> > “You can die but you’re never dead” - Red Hot Chili Peppers "Leonid S.
> > Knyshov at Home" <lknyshov@pctips.com> wrote in message
> > news:9gm3p3$dci$1@constitution.worldwebserver.com
> > > Windows 2000 has no drawbacks.
> > >
> > > P4 is slower than Athlon.
> > >
> > > RDRAM is not worth it.
> > >
> > > You can build your own computer a lot cheaper.
> > >
> > > Epox KTA3+ MB + 1.3ghz Athlon CPU + 256mb Ram + case = $600 for my
> > roommate,
> > > I just built this for him last week.
> > >
> > > HDD - $200 for 60gb
> > >
> > > Video - $100
> > >
> > > This is screaming machine with a really advanced MB with 6 PCI slots
and
> > > temperature monitoring.
> > >
> > > “Brian Wilmot” <bwilmot@jumpnow.net> wrote in message
> > > news:9gm1c5$cje$1@constitution.worldwebserver.com
> > > > Well for graduation my parents are gettign me a computer, and
they’re
> > > > letting me configure it. I’m probably going to go through dell or
> micron
> > > or
> > > > another big one because of support. I won’t wanna waste time
> > > > trying
to
> > get
> > > > my compter to work when I ahve a term paper due.
> > > >
> > > > A few questions though.
> > > > 1) I don’t want XP or ME and the only other choice is 2000. What
> > > > do
I
> > lose
> > > > by going with 2000? Just Dos functionality or is there a lot more
that
> I
> > > > lose by using them? So, will I be able to use the same stuff I’ve
> always
> > > > used in 98(games, design software, photoshope etc. or will I need
> > > different
> > > > versions?)
> > > > 2) Is there any reason to go with Intel’s P4 or shoulo I go for
> > > > the
> > > slightly
> > > > cheaper Athlons?
> > > > 3) Is RDRAM worth it or should I stick with SDRAM. I’ve heard
> > > > mixed
> > stuff
> > > > about RDRAM. Also, I think this was asked earlier - Is more RDRAM
> > actually
> > > > worse than less? I remember hearing that too much actually results
in
> a
> > > loss
> > > > of speed.
> > > > 4) Anything you wish you had on your that you didn’t think to get.
> Wanna
> > > > make sure I ain’t missing anything.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks
> > > >
> > > > –
> > > > Brian Wilmot http://www.jumpnow.net/
> > > > http://www.uglybillboards.com/ “You can die but you’re never dead”
> > > > - Red Hot Chili Peppers
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>

thats bull. only the very first slot athy’s had problems with the agp. i
know many people with athlons and NO problems whatsoever with any video
cards. i run two systems with durons since they were ‘dirt cheap’ and i
wanted to oc them anyway.


Tony Raineri http://www.woogu.com

“Gary Stein” <gestein@starpower.net> wrote in message
news:9gm51o$drn$1@constitution.worldwebserver.com
> the Athlon and they are much easier to deal with compatability wise in
> my opinion the Athlon’s have historically had problems with some AGP
> video cards and with new standards such as USB 2.0 and firewire. The
> PIII’s just seem like them most bang for the low cost buck right know,
> but if your looking to say you have the hottest PC possiable then the
> Athlon is the
way
> to go but remember the speed improvement is so small over the PIII
> that in most cases you won’t be able to tell the difference anything
> less then a
20%
> improvement is not noticable by the average user and PIII’s running at
> the same speeds as an Athlon are usealy less only 5% to 10% slower then
> the Athlon.

www.antec-inc.com have been rated as some of the best cases around as
have the www.pcpowerandcooling.com cases also check out
http://www.casedepot.com/ if you are looking for a ‘unique’ case, as
they have many cool looking cases… im gonna get a new one from there
pretty soon

but the antec cases are very good all around cases at a great price.


Tony Raineri http://www.woogu.com

“Brian Wilmot” <bwilmot@jumpnow.net> wrote in message
news:9gm5t4$e4k$1@constitution.worldwebserver.com
> OK there are shitloads of Computer cases there. You’ve all probably know
or
> ahve a good cheap one. I need three 5" external slots, but other
> than that
I
> don’t really care. What have ya got?
>
> –
> Brian Wilmot http://www.jumpnow.net/ http://www.uglybillboards.com/ "You
> can die but you’re never dead" - Red Hot Chili Peppers “Tony Ranieri”
> <woo_boy@puckoff.com> wrote in message
> news:9gm46n$dhs$1@constitution.worldwebserver.com
> > http://www.pricewatch.com has a search that allows you to find
> > parts at
> good
> > prices… some sites arent very good though so be careful who you deal
> > with… http://www.resellerratings.com/ is a good place to check them
> > out if you feel the need.
> >
> > i was wondering what video card leo got for $100… gf2mx?
> >
> > –
> > Tony Raineri http://www.woogu.com
> >
> >
> > “Brian Wilmot” <bwilmot@jumpnow.net> wrote in message
> > news:9gm3t6$dep$1@constitution.worldwebserver.com
> > > where do you get most of your computer parts from? One place? many?
I’m
> > > thinking that maybe I should just build my own.
> > >
> > > –
> > > Brian Wilmot http://www.jumpnow.net/ http://www.uglybillboards.com/
> > > “You can die but you’re never dead” - Red Hot Chili Peppers "Leonid
> > > S. Knyshov at Home" <lknyshov@pctips.com> wrote in message
> > > news:9gm3p3$dci$1@constitution.worldwebserver.com
> > > > Windows 2000 has no drawbacks.
> > > >
> > > > P4 is slower than Athlon.
> > > >
> > > > RDRAM is not worth it.
> > > >
> > > > You can build your own computer a lot cheaper.
> > > >
> > > > Epox KTA3+ MB + 1.3ghz Athlon CPU + 256mb Ram + case = $600 for my
> > > roommate,
> > > > I just built this for him last week.
> > > >
> > > > HDD - $200 for 60gb
> > > >
> > > > Video - $100
> > > >
> > > > This is screaming machine with a really advanced MB with 6 PCI
> > > > slots
> and
> > > > temperature monitoring.
> > > >
> > > > “Brian Wilmot” <bwilmot@jumpnow.net> wrote in message
> > > > news:9gm1c5$cje$1@constitution.worldwebserver.com
> > > > > Well for graduation my parents are gettign me a computer, and
> they’re
> > > > > letting me configure it. I’m probably going to go through dell
> > > > > or
> > micron
> > > > or
> > > > > another big one because of support. I won’t wanna waste time
trying
> to
> > > get
> > > > > my compter to work when I ahve a term paper due.
> > > > >
> > > > > A few questions though.
> > > > > 1) I don’t want XP or ME and the only other choice is 2000. What
do
> I
> > > lose
> > > > > by going with 2000? Just Dos functionality or is there a lot
> > > > > more
> that
> > I
> > > > > lose by using them? So, will I be able to use the same stuff
> > > > > I’ve
> > always
> > > > > used in 98(games, design software, photoshope etc. or will I
> > > > > need
> > > > different
> > > > > versions?)
> > > > > 2) Is there any reason to go with Intel’s P4 or shoulo I go for
the
> > > > slightly
> > > > > cheaper Athlons?
> > > > > 3) Is RDRAM worth it or should I stick with SDRAM. I’ve heard
mixed
> > > stuff
> > > > > about RDRAM. Also, I think this was asked earlier - Is more
> > > > > RDRAM
> > > actually
> > > > > worse than less? I remember hearing that too much actually
> > > > > results
> in
> > a
> > > > loss
> > > > > of speed.
> > > > > 4) Anything you wish you had on your that you didn’t think to
> > > > > get.
> > Wanna
> > > > > make sure I ain’t missing anything.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks
> > > > >
> > > > > –
> > > > > Brian Wilmot http://www.jumpnow.net/
> > > > > http://www.uglybillboards.com/ "You can die but you’re never
> > > > > dead" - Red Hot Chili Peppers
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>

i kinda thought of something… im often times looking for more hard drive
space… i have a little over 100gig on this box, but im frequently
clearing stuff off for new stuff, burning cds to make way for this or
that… im in the process of finding a good 40gig drive to put all my mp3s
onto and that will give me a good amount of space to use then…


Tony Raineri http://www.woogu.com

“Brian Wilmot” <bwilmot@jumpnow.net> wrote in message
news:9gm1c5$cje$1@constitution.worldwebserver.com
> 4) Anything you wish you had on your that you didn’t think to get. Wanna
> make sure I ain’t missing anything.

“Tony Ranieri” <woo_boy@puckoff.com> wrote in message
news:9gm8qm$f2d$1@constitution.worldwebserver.com
> thats bull. only the very first slot athy’s had problems with the agp. i
> know many people with athlons and NO problems whatsoever with any video
> cards. i run two systems with durons since they were ‘dirt cheap’ and i
[i]> wanted to oc them anyway.[/i]

That has not been my experience we bought one of the 1.0 ghtz Athlons and
had problems with Lee’s new MB and with a Geforce 2 card with that MB CPU
combination using the VIA chipset for Athlons. Now weather it was a chip
set rather then a CPU problem I can’t prove that one way or the other but
in that case it really didn’t matter. We ended up sending it back and
replacing both the MB chipset and the CPU with Intel products overclocked
the PIII to the same speed and have had no problems since that time. This
is the Asus CVU4X motherboard available with VIA chipsets for Athlons and
Intel Chip Sets for Intel CPU at that time anyway.

Also you have to be careful with chipsets for Athlon CPUs some of them
such as the less then one year old VIA chipsets do not support all the
functionality available from AMD on the Athlon such as memory/bus speeds
and AGP 4.x support again something you need not worry about with an Intel
CPU and chipset.

Gary Stein
>
>
>
> –
> Tony Raineri http://www.woogu.com
>
>
> “Gary Stein” <gestein@starpower.net> wrote in message
> news:9gm51o$drn$1@constitution.worldwebserver.com
> > the Athlon and they are much easier to deal with compatability wise in
my
> > opinion the Athlon’s have historically had problems with some AGP
> > video cards and with new standards such as USB 2.0 and firewire. The
> > PIII’s
just
> > seem like them most bang for the low cost buck right know, but if
> > your looking to say you have the hottest PC possiable then the Athlon
> > is the
> way
> > to go but remember the speed improvement is so small over the
> > PIII that
in
> > most cases you won’t be able to tell the difference anything less
> > then a
> 20%
> > improvement is not noticable by the average user and PIII’s running at
the
> > same speeds as an Athlon are usealy less only 5% to 10% slower then
> > the Athlon.
> >

yeah, i believe that was a chipset problem, but i know it is no longer an
issue. the only issues with any amd based systems, that im aware of, are
the 760 chipsets which are the ddr systems…

if he’s getting one of the new boards, like an abit kt7 or kt7-a they are
wonderful boards… :slight_smile: ive got the raid versions which rock.

also if you get the raid, its got 4 controlers on it so you can have more
ide devices… its got 2 ata100/raid controlers and then the 2 ide
controlers, i believe they are ata100 as well, but not sure, but doesnt
matter to me because all my hds are on the raid/100 controlers… they
arent much more expensive either (raid vs. non-raid mobos) mine was $20
more than the non-raid board


Tony Raineri http://www.woogu.com

“Gary Stein” <gestein@starpower.net> wrote in message
news:9gm9tp$fcq$1@constitution.worldwebserver.com
>
> That has not been my experience we bought one of the 1.0 ghtz Athlons
> and had problems with Lee’s new MB and with a Geforce 2 card with that
> MB CPU combination using the VIA chipset for Athlons. Now weather it
> was a chip
set
> rather then a CPU problem I can’t prove that one way or the other but in
> that case it really didn’t matter. We ended up sending it back and
replacing
> both the MB chipset and the CPU with Intel products overclocked the PIII
to
> the same speed and have had no problems since that time. This is the
> Asus CVU4X motherboard available with VIA chipsets for Athlons and Intel
> Chip Sets for Intel CPU at that time anyway.
>
> Also you have to be careful with chipsets for Athlon CPUs some of them
such
> as the less then one year old VIA chipsets do not support all the
> functionality available from AMD on the Athlon such as memory/bus speeds
and
> AGP 4.x support again something you need not worry about with an Intel
> CPU and chipset.
>
> Gary Stein

We have a couple of Antec cases.

My only gripe with them is that I can’t just slide out the
motherboard module.

I have no complaints with regards to my Antec, and it says “Antec Outside”

“Brian Wilmot” <bwilmot@jumpnow.net> wrote in message
news:9gm5t4$e4k$1@constitution.worldwebserver.com
> OK there are shitloads of Computer cases there. You’ve all probably know
or
> ahve a good cheap one. I need three 5" external slots, but other
> than that
I
> don’t really care. What have ya got?
>
> –
> Brian Wilmot http://www.jumpnow.net/ http://www.uglybillboards.com/ "You
> can die but you’re never dead" - Red Hot Chili Peppers “Tony Ranieri”
> <woo_boy@puckoff.com> wrote in message
> news:9gm46n$dhs$1@constitution.worldwebserver.com
> > http://www.pricewatch.com has a search that allows you to find
> > parts at
> good
> > prices… some sites arent very good though so be careful who you deal
> > with… http://www.resellerratings.com/ is a good place to check them
> > out if you feel the need.
> >
> > i was wondering what video card leo got for $100… gf2mx?
> >
> > –
> > Tony Raineri http://www.woogu.com
> >
> >
> > “Brian Wilmot” <bwilmot@jumpnow.net> wrote in message
> > news:9gm3t6$dep$1@constitution.worldwebserver.com
> > > where do you get most of your computer parts from? One place? many?
I’m
> > > thinking that maybe I should just build my own.
> > >
> > > –
> > > Brian Wilmot http://www.jumpnow.net/ http://www.uglybillboards.com/
> > > “You can die but you’re never dead” - Red Hot Chili Peppers "Leonid
> > > S. Knyshov at Home" <lknyshov@pctips.com> wrote in message
> > > news:9gm3p3$dci$1@constitution.worldwebserver.com
> > > > Windows 2000 has no drawbacks.
> > > >
> > > > P4 is slower than Athlon.
> > > >
> > > > RDRAM is not worth it.
> > > >
> > > > You can build your own computer a lot cheaper.
> > > >
> > > > Epox KTA3+ MB + 1.3ghz Athlon CPU + 256mb Ram + case = $600 for my
> > > roommate,
> > > > I just built this for him last week.
> > > >
> > > > HDD - $200 for 60gb
> > > >
> > > > Video - $100
> > > >
> > > > This is screaming machine with a really advanced MB with 6 PCI
> > > > slots
> and
> > > > temperature monitoring.
> > > >
> > > > “Brian Wilmot” <bwilmot@jumpnow.net> wrote in message
> > > > news:9gm1c5$cje$1@constitution.worldwebserver.com
> > > > > Well for graduation my parents are gettign me a computer, and
> they’re
> > > > > letting me configure it. I’m probably going to go through dell
> > > > > or
> > micron
> > > > or
> > > > > another big one because of support. I won’t wanna waste time
trying
> to
> > > get
> > > > > my compter to work when I ahve a term paper due.
> > > > >
> > > > > A few questions though.
> > > > > 1) I don’t want XP or ME and the only other choice is 2000. What
do
> I
> > > lose
> > > > > by going with 2000? Just Dos functionality or is there a lot
> > > > > more
> that
> > I
> > > > > lose by using them? So, will I be able to use the same stuff
> > > > > I’ve
> > always
> > > > > used in 98(games, design software, photoshope etc. or will I
> > > > > need
> > > > different
> > > > > versions?)
> > > > > 2) Is there any reason to go with Intel’s P4 or shoulo I go for
the
> > > > slightly
> > > > > cheaper Athlons?
> > > > > 3) Is RDRAM worth it or should I stick with SDRAM. I’ve heard
mixed
> > > stuff
> > > > > about RDRAM. Also, I think this was asked earlier - Is more
> > > > > RDRAM
> > > actually
> > > > > worse than less? I remember hearing that too much actually
> > > > > results
> in
> > a
> > > > loss
> > > > > of speed.
> > > > > 4) Anything you wish you had on your that you didn’t think to
> > > > > get.
> > Wanna
> > > > > make sure I ain’t missing anything.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks
> > > > >
> > > > > –
> > > > > Brian Wilmot http://www.jumpnow.net/
> > > > > http://www.uglybillboards.com/ "You can die but you’re never
> > > > > dead" - Red Hot Chili Peppers
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>

I can actually offer another alternative.

You can buy a used dual-CPU IBM Netfinity 4000R server wtih 2 500mhz P3s
and 512mb Ram.

Under $1000 if you know where to look :slight_smile:

I am tired of desktop issues, servers just don’t have them :-).

“Brian Wilmot” <bwilmot@jumpnow.net> wrote in message
news:9gm1c5$cje$1@constitution.worldwebserver.com
> Well for graduation my parents are gettign me a computer, and they’re
> letting me configure it. I’m probably going to go through dell or micron
or
> another big one because of support. I won’t wanna waste time trying to
> get my compter to work when I ahve a term paper due.
>
> A few questions though.
> 1) I don’t want XP or ME and the only other choice is 2000. What do I
> lose by going with 2000? Just Dos functionality or is there a lot
> more that I lose by using them? So, will I be able to use the same
> stuff I’ve always used in 98(games, design software, photoshope etc.
> or will I need
different
> versions?)
> 2) Is there any reason to go with Intel’s P4 or shoulo I go for the
slightly
> cheaper Athlons?
> 3) Is RDRAM worth it or should I stick with SDRAM. I’ve heard mixed
> stuff about RDRAM. Also, I think this was asked earlier - Is more
> RDRAM actually worse than less? I remember hearing that too much
> actually results in a
loss
> of speed.
> 4) Anything you wish you had on your that you didn’t think to get. Wanna
> make sure I ain’t missing anything.
>
> Thanks
>
> –
> Brian Wilmot http://www.jumpnow.net/ http://www.uglybillboards.com/ "You
> can die but you’re never dead" - Red Hot Chili Peppers

Will Win 2000 Professional recognize the 2nd CPU or do you need the
avdvanced server version to get support for dual CPU’s I’ve never needed
to check that issue just curious?

Gary Stein

“Leonid S. Knyshov at Home” <lknyshov@pctips.com> wrote in message
news:9gmb2v$fqp$1@constitution.worldwebserver.com
> I can actually offer another alternative.
>
> You can buy a used dual-CPU IBM Netfinity 4000R server wtih 2 500mhz P3s
and
> 512mb Ram.
>
> Under $1000 if you know where to look :slight_smile:
>
> I am tired of desktop issues, servers just don’t have them :-).
>
> “Brian Wilmot” <bwilmot@jumpnow.net> wrote in message
> news:9gm1c5$cje$1@constitution.worldwebserver.com
> > Well for graduation my parents are gettign me a computer, and they’re
> > letting me configure it. I’m probably going to go through dell or
> > micron
> or
> > another big one because of support. I won’t wanna waste time trying to
get
> > my compter to work when I ahve a term paper due.
> >
> > A few questions though.
> > 1) I don’t want XP or ME and the only other choice is 2000. What do I
lose
> > by going with 2000? Just Dos functionality or is there a lot more
> > that I lose by using them? So, will I be able to use the same stuff
> > I’ve always used in 98(games, design software, photoshope etc. or
> > will I need
> different
> > versions?)
> > 2) Is there any reason to go with Intel’s P4 or shoulo I go for the
> slightly
> > cheaper Athlons?
> > 3) Is RDRAM worth it or should I stick with SDRAM. I’ve heard mixed
stuff
> > about RDRAM. Also, I think this was asked earlier - Is more RDRAM
actually
> > worse than less? I remember hearing that too much actually
> > results in a
> loss
> > of speed.
> > 4) Anything you wish you had on your that you didn’t think to get.
> > Wanna make sure I ain’t missing anything.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > –
> > Brian Wilmot http://www.jumpnow.net/ http://www.uglybillboards.com/
> > “You can die but you’re never dead” - Red Hot Chili Peppers
> >
>

pro should, its just a ver of NT5


Tony Raineri http://www.woogu.com

“Gary Stein” <gestein@starpower.net> wrote in message
news:9gmdrr$gus$1@constitution.worldwebserver.com
> Will Win 2000 Professional recognize the 2nd CPU or do you need the
> avdvanced server version to get support for dual CPU’s I’ve never needed
to
> check that issue just curious?
>
> Gary Stein
>
> “Leonid S. Knyshov at Home” <lknyshov@pctips.com> wrote in message
> news:9gmb2v$fqp$1@constitution.worldwebserver.com
> > I can actually offer another alternative.
> >
> > You can buy a used dual-CPU IBM Netfinity 4000R server wtih 2
> > 500mhz P3s
> and
> > 512mb Ram.
> >
> > Under $1000 if you know where to look :slight_smile:
> >
> > I am tired of desktop issues, servers just don’t have them :-).
> >
> > “Brian Wilmot” <bwilmot@jumpnow.net> wrote in message
> > news:9gm1c5$cje$1@constitution.worldwebserver.com
> > > Well for graduation my parents are gettign me a computer, and
> > > they’re letting me configure it. I’m probably going to go through
> > > dell or
micron
> > or
> > > another big one because of support. I won’t wanna waste time
> > > trying to
> get
> > > my compter to work when I ahve a term paper due.
> > >
> > > A few questions though.
> > > 1) I don’t want XP or ME and the only other choice is 2000. What do
> > > I
> lose
> > > by going with 2000? Just Dos functionality or is there a lot more
> > > that
I
> > > lose by using them? So, will I be able to use the same stuff I’ve
always
> > > used in 98(games, design software, photoshope etc. or will I need
> > different
> > > versions?)
> > > 2) Is there any reason to go with Intel’s P4 or shoulo I go for the
> > slightly
> > > cheaper Athlons?
> > > 3) Is RDRAM worth it or should I stick with SDRAM. I’ve heard mixed
> stuff
> > > about RDRAM. Also, I think this was asked earlier - Is more RDRAM
> actually
> > > worse than less? I remember hearing that too much actually
> > > results in
a
> > loss
> > > of speed.
> > > 4) Anything you wish you had on your that you didn’t think to get.
Wanna
> > > make sure I ain’t missing anything.
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > >
> > > –
> > > Brian Wilmot http://www.jumpnow.net/ http://www.uglybillboards.com/
> > > “You can die but you’re never dead” - Red Hot Chili Peppers
> > >
> > >
> >
>

NT4 Workstation supported 2 CPUs.

There was a trick to recognize the additional one if added after
installing without a reinstall to enable a multi-CPU kernel.

2000 Pro supports it for a fact :slight_smile:

“Gary Stein” <gestein@starpower.net> wrote in message
news:9gmdrr$gus$1@constitution.worldwebserver.com
> Will Win 2000 Professional recognize the 2nd CPU or do you need the
> avdvanced server version to get support for dual CPU’s I’ve never needed
to
> check that issue just curious?
>
> Gary Stein
>
> “Leonid S. Knyshov at Home” <lknyshov@pctips.com> wrote in message
> news:9gmb2v$fqp$1@constitution.worldwebserver.com
> > I can actually offer another alternative.
> >
> > You can buy a used dual-CPU IBM Netfinity 4000R server wtih 2
> > 500mhz P3s
> and
> > 512mb Ram.
> >
> > Under $1000 if you know where to look :slight_smile:
> >
> > I am tired of desktop issues, servers just don’t have them :-).
> >
> > “Brian Wilmot” <bwilmot@jumpnow.net> wrote in message
> > news:9gm1c5$cje$1@constitution.worldwebserver.com
> > > Well for graduation my parents are gettign me a computer, and
> > > they’re letting me configure it. I’m probably going to go through
> > > dell or
micron
> > or
> > > another big one because of support. I won’t wanna waste time
> > > trying to
> get
> > > my compter to work when I ahve a term paper due.
> > >
> > > A few questions though.
> > > 1) I don’t want XP or ME and the only other choice is 2000. What do
> > > I
> lose
> > > by going with 2000? Just Dos functionality or is there a lot more
> > > that
I
> > > lose by using them? So, will I be able to use the same stuff I’ve
always
> > > used in 98(games, design software, photoshope etc. or will I need
> > different
> > > versions?)
> > > 2) Is there any reason to go with Intel’s P4 or shoulo I go for the
> > slightly
> > > cheaper Athlons?
> > > 3) Is RDRAM worth it or should I stick with SDRAM. I’ve heard mixed
> stuff
> > > about RDRAM. Also, I think this was asked earlier - Is more RDRAM
> actually
> > > worse than less? I remember hearing that too much actually
> > > results in
a
> > loss
> > > of speed.
> > > 4) Anything you wish you had on your that you didn’t think to get.
Wanna
> > > make sure I ain’t missing anything.
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > >
> > > –
> > > Brian Wilmot http://www.jumpnow.net/ http://www.uglybillboards.com/
> > > “You can die but you’re never dead” - Red Hot Chili Peppers
> > >
> > >
> >
>

Thank youa ll for you input so far…I’ve got a general knowledge of all
that goes into a computer but I’m likely to need to ask more questions,
considering you all are the wise ones and me the ignorant one. I just
wanted to say thank you so far.


Brian Wilmot http://www.jumpnow.net/ http://www.uglybillboards.com/ “You
can die but you’re never dead” - Red Hot Chili Peppers “Tony Ranieri”
<woo_boy@puckoff.com> wrote in message
news:9gm9sd$fc5$1@constitution.worldwebserver.com
> i kinda thought of something… im often times looking for more hard
> drive space… i have a little over 100gig on this box, but im
> frequently clearing stuff off for new stuff, burning cds to make way
> for this or that… im in the process of finding a good 40gig drive to
> put all my mp3s onto and that will give me a good amount of space to
> use then…
>
>
> –
> Tony Raineri http://www.woogu.com
>
>
> “Brian Wilmot” <bwilmot@jumpnow.net> wrote in message
> news:9gm1c5$cje$1@constitution.worldwebserver.com
> > 4) Anything you wish you had on your that you didn’t think to get.
> > Wanna make sure I ain’t missing anything.