NAUCC 2004 and UNICON 12

Folks,

As we prepare to travel to Minneapolis for NAUCC 2003, it is not too early to be thinking about NAUCC 2004.

The preliminary information we have received for UNICON 12 from the Japan Unicycling Association’s International Committee has registration being held on Friday, July 23 and events running from Saturday, July 24 through Friday, August 2.

The dates chosen by the JUA-IC for UNICON 12 put us in somewhat of a bind in trying to plan NAUCC 2004.

We would normally shoot for an event either over the weekend of July 24 - 25 or July 31 - August 1. Both of these weekends, however, would completely conflict with UNICON 12. The previous weekend (July 17 - 18) would also not be the greatest option, as people would probably have to fly directly from NAUCC 2004 to UNICON 12.

Early or even mid-June would probably not be very popular with the school age membership and the members who have school age children. According to the North Bend (WA) 2003 school calendar, the last day of classes here was Friday, June 20. Since this was the third Friday in June, I’m going to guess that the last day of school in North Bend in 2004 will be Friday, June 18. I know from experience (I’m originally from Massachusetts) that many school districts back east also schedule classes into the second or third week of June.

Other than early or mid-June and the weekend of July 17 - 18, , here are what I see as the other possible dates: Over the last weekend of June (26 - 27) finishing early or mid week (by Wednesday, June 30); the weekend of July 10 - 11, finishing early or mid week (by Wednesday, 14); or, sometime in mid to late August, after UNICON 12.

I personally don’t think it is worth considering the July 3 - 4 holiday weekend, but I’m going to keep it in the mix for now due to our limited options.

None of these options are great. I’m posting this question to elicit your feedback. Please either post suggestions here, e-mail me or give me a call if you would like to discuss your ideas.

This will be a major topic of discussion at the USA annual business meeting at NAUCC 2003 in Minneapolis. The meeting will be held Wednesday, July 30 6:00 PM - 8:00 PM in Sateren Auditorium of Augsburg College’s Music Hall. I encourage all USA members to attend this important meeting.

Tom Daniels
President
Unicycling Society of America, Incorporated

North Bend, WA
Voice 425.831.4906
Fax 425.831.4907

tadaniels@usa.net

Technically, there is no need for UNICON to be after NAUCC. We do not determine champions that are required for UNICON competitions, and it would not mess anything up, other than general sensibilities.

Sure it makes sense to do the NA before the Worlds, but the two events are, under today’s rules, totally independent. The world champion of Freestyle can come back to NAUCC and see if he/she can still beat the NA competitors, many of which may not have been able to go to Japan.

Just a thought.

Be advised, though, that overlapping the two conventions would cause a reduction in attendance at both. I for one will not miss a UNICON, especially in an interesting country, for a NAUCC. The folks in Japan had the tentative dates for UNICON 12 for many months, possibly even since last year. I don’t know if sharing them any earlier, before they were confirmed, would have helped, but it seems a shame we had to wait so long.

But I can’t offhand think of a problem with coming home from UNICON and then going to NAUCC.

I think either the July 10th or July 17th weekends would be the best. Having it in June would be too early and having it after UNICON would be anti-climatic (and many people would go on tours or whatever afterwards). In 1998, the NAUCC was the weekend before UNICON and that worked out well. For us this year, the dates were decided based on the availability of the facilities, so we need to leave it open to the organizing committee.

Gilby,

Thanks for the input. You are correct: Ultimately, the availability of facilities will play a key part in determining the dates for NAUCC 2004.

As you know, we have not yet formally discussed potential hosts for NAUCC 2004. I just recently received the first offer to host NAUCC 2004 from potential hosts. I am working with this group to clarify one of the conditions of their proposal before sharing it with the USA Board of Directors. Their proposal was very preliminary in nature and did not specify location, venues or dates.

I decided to post this thread after the potential hosts asked my opinion this morning about potential dates in light of the latest information I relayed on UNICON 12. They had based their preliminary planning on the traditional NAUCC period of the third or fourth wek of July. Their prefered facility is availabile during the last week of July (i.e., the potential week of UNICON 12) or in early June. They do not feel that an early June date would work and, as John Foss indicated in his post, overlapping NAUCC 2004 with UNICON 12 would result in greatly reduced attendance at NAUCC 2004.

Tom

Re: NAUCC 2004 and UNICON 12

Regarding NAUCC 2004, Tom Daniels writes:
>Other than early or mid-June and the weekend of July 17 - 18, here are
>what I see as the other possible dates:
1.
>Over the last weekend of June (26 - 27) finishing early or mid week (by
>Wednesday, June 30);
2.
>the weekend of July 10 - 11, finishing early or mid week (by Wednesday,
>14);
3.
>sometime in mid to late August, after UNICON 12.
4.
>I personally don’t think it is worth considering the July 3 - 4 holiday
>weekend, but I’m going to keep it in the mix for now due to our limited
>options.
Option 1. Too short, no? Also doesn’t give much school’s-out practice time
to many performers who may have come to rely upon it.
Option 2. Also short, tho at least there’s more practice time. Could it
possibly start a day or two earlier (July 8 or 9)?
Option 3. No obvious problem as far as I’m concerned.
Option 4. Agreed. Most people have some plans around the 4oJ, and also,
traveling around then can be hellacious.

My vote, in this order, is: 3,2,1,4.

David Stone

David,

Note that all of the dates were approximate, and no event lengths should be inferred. I should have said, “including the weekend of…” in all cases. Prospective hosts could decide to start the event on any day of the week needed to suit facilities planning needs.

You preferences are noted - thanks very much for the input!

Tom

Tom

At this point I don’t think I will be going to Japan. Count me in for whatever dates the NAUCC falls in 2004.

I hope you have much more time to enjoy the NAUCC this year. Thanks for all your work last year.

Looking forward to seeing everyone again this summer.

Cheers,
Darren

Re: NAUCC 2004 and UNICON 12

Hi all,

Conflicts between unicycle meets have happened before and I always believed that the
hosts should make a maximum effort to avoid them. As far as I know, no one informed
the JUA of this problem when they planned the dates. It may not too late to make change,
but I am not sure. It mayb be difficult because we are talking about renting the Olympic
facilities.

If it is absolutely essential we can reconsider the dates. Mayumi, I am probably wrong and
there is no possibility ofe$B!!e(Bchanging our dates at this time, right?

tadaniels wrote…
>
>Folks,
>
>As we prepare to travel to Minneapolis for NAUCC 2003, it is not too
>early to be thinking about NAUCC 2004.
>
>The preliminary information we have received for UNICON 12 from the
>Japan Unicycling Association’s International Committee has registration
>being held on Friday, July 23 and events running from Saturday, July 24
>through Friday, August 2.
>
>The dates chosen by the JUA-IC for UNICON 12 put us in somewhat of a
>bind in trying to plan NAUCC 2004.
>
>We would normally shoot for an event either over the weekend of July 24
>- 25 or July 31 - August 1. Both of these weekends, however, would
>completely conflict with UNICON 12. The previous weekend (July 17 - 18)
>would also not be the greatest option, as people would probably have to
>fly directly from NAUCC 2004 to UNICON 12.
>
>Early or even mid-June would probably not be very popular with the
>school age membership and the members who have school age children.
>According to the North Bend (WA) 2003 school calendar, the last day of
>classes here was Friday, June 20. Since this was the third Friday in
>June, I’m going to guess that the last day of school in North Bend in
>2004 will be Friday, June 18. I know from experience (I’m originally
>from Massachusetts) that many school districts back east also schedule
>classes into the second or third week of June.
>
>Other than early or mid-June and the weekend of July 17 - 18, , here are
>what I see as the other possible dates: Over the last weekend of June
>(26 - 27) finishing early or mid week (by Wednesday, June 30); the
>weekend of July 10 - 11, finishing early or mid week (by Wednesday, 14);
>or, sometime in mid to late August, after UNICON 12.
>
>I personally don’t think it is worth considering the July 3 - 4 holiday
>weekend, but I’m going to keep it in the mix for now due to our limited
>options.
>
>None of these options are great. I’m posting this question to elicit
>your feedback. Please either post suggestions here, e-mail me or give me
>a call if you would like to discuss your ideas.
>
>This will be a major topic of discussion at the USA annual business
>meeting at NAUCC 2003 in Minneapolis. The meeting will be held
>Wednesday, July 30 6:00 PM - 8:00 PM in Sateren Auditorium of Augsburg
>College’s Music Hall. I encourage all USA members to attend this
>important meeting.
>
>
>Tom Daniels
>President
>Unicycling Society of America, Incorporated
>
>North Bend, WA
>Voice 425.831.4906
>Fax 425.831.4907
>
>tadaniels@usa.net
>
>
>–
>tadaniels - USA President
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>

Stay on top, Jack Halpern
Executive Director for International Development
International Unicycling Federation, Inc.
Website: http://www.kanji.org

Re: Re: NAUCC 2004 and UNICON 12

For the record, the JUA never announced any dates for UNICON XII. They were only published outside of iuf-discuss when this thread was started by Tom Daniels.

Plans for NAUCC 2004 are still in the early stages. Things are far too vague for us to be requesting a change in UNICON dates at this time, to my understanding. However, when the dates for UNICON XII were confirmed, this should have been shared, at least with the IUF board and other convention planners.

RE: NAUCC 2004 and UNICON 12

Hi Jack,

It seems that they have no problem, at least from me.
We can not change the date of Unicon 12.
Because it is difficult to change the date of renting Olympic
facilities.
We have to search the venue if we must change the date of Unicon 12.
I should try to change it if members of USA hope that we change the date
of Unicon 12.
It takes a good amount of time to do.

Mr. Daniels,
Do you need that we will change the date of Unicon 12?

JUA-IC
Mayumi Sakaino (UNI PARADISE ISEHARA)
msakaino@nifty.com

>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-iuf-discuss@unicycling.org
>[mailto:owner-iuf-discuss@unicycling.org] On Behalf Of Jack Halpern
>Sent: Friday, July 25, 2003 9:54 PM
>To: tadaniels
>Cc: rsu@unicycling.org; iuf-discuss@unicycling.org
>Subject: Re: NAUCC 2004 and UNICON 12
>
>
>Hi all,
>
>Conflicts between unicycle meets have happened before and I
>always believed that the
>hosts should make a maximum effort to avoid them. As far as I
>know, no one informed
>the JUA of this problem when they planned the dates. It may
>not too late to make change,
>but I am not sure. It mayb be difficult because we are talking
>about renting the Olympic
>facilities.
>
>If it is absolutely essential we can reconsider the dates.
>Mayumi, I am probably wrong and
>there is no possibility ofe$B!!e(Bchanging our dates at this time, right?
>
>
>tadaniels wrote…
> >
> >Folks,
> >
> >As we prepare to travel to Minneapolis for NAUCC 2003, it is not too
> >early to be thinking about NAUCC 2004.
> >
> >The preliminary information we have received for UNICON 12 from the
> >Japan Unicycling Association’s International Committee has
>registration
> >being held on Friday, July 23 and events running from
>Saturday, July 24
> >through Friday, August 2.
> >
> >The dates chosen by the JUA-IC for UNICON 12 put us in somewhat of a
> >bind in trying to plan NAUCC 2004.
> >
> >We would normally shoot for an event either over the weekend
>of July 24
> >- 25 or July 31 - August 1. Both of these weekends, however, would
> >completely conflict with UNICON 12. The previous weekend
>(July 17 - 18)
> >would also not be the greatest option, as people would
>probably have to
> >fly directly from NAUCC 2004 to UNICON 12.
> >
> >Early or even mid-June would probably not be very popular with the
> >school age membership and the members who have school age children.
> >According to the North Bend (WA) 2003 school calendar, the
>last day of
> >classes here was Friday, June 20. Since this was the third Friday in
> >June, I’m going to guess that the last day of school in North Bend in
> >2004 will be Friday, June 18. I know from experience (I’m originally
> >from Massachusetts) that many school districts back east
>also schedule
> >classes into the second or third week of June.
> >
> >Other than early or mid-June and the weekend of July 17 -
>18, , here are
> >what I see as the other possible dates: Over the last weekend of June
> >(26 - 27) finishing early or mid week (by Wednesday, June 30); the
> >weekend of July 10 - 11, finishing early or mid week (by
>Wednesday, 14);
> >or, sometime in mid to late August, after UNICON 12.
> >
> >I personally don’t think it is worth considering the July 3
>- 4 holiday
> >weekend, but I’m going to keep it in the mix for now due to
>our limited
> >options.
> >
> >None of these options are great. I’m posting this question to elicit
> >your feedback. Please either post suggestions here, e-mail
>me or give me
> >a call if you would like to discuss your ideas.
> >
> >This will be a major topic of discussion at the USA annual business
> >meeting at NAUCC 2003 in Minneapolis. The meeting will be held
> >Wednesday, July 30 6:00 PM - 8:00 PM in Sateren Auditorium
>of Augsburg
> >College’s Music Hall. I encourage all USA members to attend this
> >important meeting.
> >
> >
> >Tom Daniels
> >President
> >Unicycling Society of America, Incorporated
> >
> >North Bend, WA
> >Voice 425.831.4906
> >Fax 425.831.4907
> >
> >tadaniels@usa.net
> >
> >
> >–
> >tadaniels - USA President
>
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> >
>
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>
>Stay on top, Jack
>Halpern
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> International Unicycling Federation, Inc.
> Website: http://www.kanji.org
>

RE: NAUCC 2004 and UNICON 12

> As far as I know, no one informed
> the JUA of this problem when they planned the dates.

[Posted also to the newsgroup]

For the record, the JUA never announced any solid dates for UNICON XII. They
were only published outside of iuf-discuss when this thread was started by
Tom Daniels.

Plans for NAUCC 2004 are still in the early stages. Things are far too vague
for us to be requesting a change in UNICON dates at this time, to my
understanding. However, when the dates for UNICON XII were confirmed, this
should have been shared, at least with the IUF board and other convention
planners.

This may have been a communications error, with people on the JUA side
assuming someone on the outside was sending out information. We should be
careful to make sure this doesn’t become more of a problem.

Stay on top,
John Foss
Director, International Unicycling Federation
jfoss@unicycling.com

All,

John Foss is correct. My reason for starting this thread was to elicit your thoughts and ideas on how the USA, Inc. should plan NAUCC 2004 given that I had received confirmation of the planned dates for UNICON 12 from Mayumi Sakaino.

Never, at any time, have I or anybody else from the USA, Inc. leadership asked the JUA to change their planned dates for UNICON 12. We will not make any such request in the future.

Having served as the Event Director for UNICON 11, I am the person least likely to make such a request, and I was only dealing with local facilities - I wasn’t trying to book world-class venues such as the Kasumigaoka National Stadium (the stadium used for the 1964 Olympics)!

Tom Daniels
President, Unicycling Society of America, Inc.

Re: NAUCC 2004 and UNICON 12

John Foss wrote…
>> As far as I know, no one informed
>> the JUA of this problem when they planned the dates.
>
>[Posted also to the newsgroup]
>
>For the record, the JUA never announced any solid dates for UNICON XII. They
>were only published outside of iuf-discuss when this thread was started by
>Tom Daniels.
>
>Plans for NAUCC 2004 are still in the early stages. Things are far too vague
>for us to be requesting a change in UNICON dates at this time, to my
>understanding. However, when the dates for UNICON XII were confirmed, this
>should have been shared, at least with the IUF board and other convention
>planners.
>
>This may have been a communications error, with people on the JUA side
>assuming someone on the outside was sending out information. We should be
>careful to make sure this doesn’t become more of a problem.

For the record, this is not what happened. I announced those dates (I am part of the JUA)
in December 2002 and here is a copy of the message, which was sent to the newsgroup as well
as to iuf-discuss and JUSA-IC members. (John, you may have missed that message).

No one objected to these dates, as far as I know, and plans moved forward. I do hope there is a
solution to the NAUCC dates. It is very difficult to change the dates here, it seems, though I guess
not entirely impossible.


Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 10:49:16 -0500
To: rsu@unicycling.org, iuf-discuss@unicycling.org
Cc: “‘Masuda’” <masuda@mys-co.com>, “‘Tsuchiya’” <tsuchiya@mys-co.com>,
“‘Yuuichiro Kato’” <unikato@xc4.so-net.ne.jp>,
“‘izumida daiki’” <daiki_nagisa@hotmail.com>,
“‘Masanori Wakae’” <wakae@mtd.biglobe.ne.jp>
Subject: VERY URGENT: UNICON XII SURVEY
From: Jack Halpern <jack@kanji.org>

Hi all,

Yesterday we had a meeting of all members of the International Committee of the JUA and I
I have some very good news about Unicon XII but we are in a great hurry to conduct a survey
first so the details will have to wait for later. Very briefly:

  1. HIGHLIGHTS

DATES
Registration: July 23, 202
Convention July 24 to August 2 2004

  1. PLACE

The very best we can hope for – like a dream come true. The facilities used for
e$B!!!e(B Tokyo Olympics right in the heart of Tokyo near Yoyogi Park: Roughly:

  • ARTISTIC: Yoyogi National Stadium 2nd Gymnasium
  • RACES: Metropolitan Yoyogi Park Track&Field Stadium
  • MUNI: FUJIMI Panorama All Round Resort (near Mount Fuji)
  • FACILITIES: National Olympics Memorial Youth Center (maybe from only $15 or so a night)

Almost all events including basketball and hockey will be at the Yoyogi facility, all within walking
distance in one of the nicest areas of Tokyo-- Harajuku.

>Stay on top,
>John Foss
>Director, International Unicycling Federation
>jfoss@unicycling.com
>www.unicycling.com
>
>
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>

Regards, Jack Halpern
President, The CJK Dictionary Institute, Inc.
http://www.cjk.org Phone: +81-48-473-3508

Re: NAUCC 2004 and UNICON 12

MAYUMI SAKAINO wrote…
>Hi Jack,
>
>It seems that they have no problem, at least from me.
>We can not change the date of Unicon 12.
>Because it is difficult to change the date of renting Olympic
>facilities.
>We have to search the venue if we must change the date of Unicon 12.
>I should try to change it if members of USA hope that we change the date
>of Unicon 12.
>It takes a good amount of time to do.
>
>Mr. Daniels,
>Do you need that we will change the date of Unicon 12?

Mayumi, thank you for quick response! There is finally someone in Japan other than
me that is communicating with the unicycling world, and I am very happy for it.
And your English is real good too!

We should all welcome Mayumi – maybe a future IUF director!?

Stay on top, Jack Halpern
Executive Director for International Development
International Unicycling Federation, Inc.
Website: http://www.kanji.org