MUni Purchase Plans

The news group appears to be really quiet this weekend while the
American National Unicycling Convention (NUC) is taking place. I
thought this might be a good place to squeeze in this query before the
next round of Cokermania e-mails (relax, Cokerheads, I don’t mean
anything by that - it’s just that I don’t own one and there’s a lot of
Coker envy on my part).

    I'm starting to make some progress and gain confidence with my Muni'ing
    and I need to start budgeting for an Muni purchase. Right now I'm using
    a Cycledesign Taiwanese unicycle. It has actually held up well, but I'm
    probably going to eventually wreck the axle or the rim or other parts of
    the uni that will render it unrideable. The terrain I'll be riding on
    here in town is made up of shallow to moderately steep paths with
    rounded cobbles and boulders in them (A Coker person might suggest just
    getting a Coker and riding on the road - that's just it - I live in a
    southwestern mining town that lies on the edge of the national forest
  • to really go out and explore beyond my patio, Muni’ing is not really a choice,
    but a necessity). We have a dry climate, and even during monsoon season, mud
    is seldom a problem - more often we see dry silt and sand. Snow falls some
    winters (I’ve lived here four years and we’ve had one winter where we had a
    lot of “real” snow that stuck around for a few weeks at a time).

      Hopefully, this isn't too long winded, but I've listed the unicycles I
      have an interest in that are for sale at unicycle.com with my current
      thoughts on them (my thoughts are based on pictures and a limited
      knowledge of Muni based on reading OOW and the news group):
    
      1) Pashley 26" Muni - the price is right; is the unicycle? I like the
         look of it. A wider frame with a fatter tire would be nice, but if
         it's rugged and going to hold up, I could live with the narrow tire.
         Lollipop bearing holders - are they universally evil, or only a
         problem on Taiwanese unicycles? There's been a fair bit of message
         traffic in the news group about this design leading to destroyed
         frames, but I don't know if the Pashley has this problem.
    
      2) Semcycle - 3 models with 24 and 26 in. tires - I like the fat tires
    
  • they look like a lot of fun. This is awfully fickle on my part, but I don’t
    like the fact that the frames remind me of the beaters on an electric mixer
    (kitchen utensil). Another question (perhaps stupid) - what is a “downhill”
    tire - does this mean the tread is designed for downhill riding, but not
    uphill (I’m going to be doing a lot of uphill riding)?

      3) DM ATU - this is the one that I really want, but it's pricey. The
         wheel isn't as fat as the ones on the Semcycles, but, as I wrote
         above, if it can take some abuse, I'm not too worried about it.
         Supposedly, these never break, but there's a first time for
         everything, and I'm great at breaking things. Can anyone repair
         these, or is it all a Dave Mariner secret? If something happens to
         Dave Mariner, or he just gets fed up with the Uni business, will
         anyone be able to service this? Once again, fickle on my part, but I
         like the look of this unicycle.
    
      4) DM Vortex - gorgeous unicycle, by the description it sounds like a
         combination of the Porsche and Cadillac of Muni's - I drive a 1986
         Nissan pickup - well, there's always the outside chance that I'll win
         the lottery . . .
    
      If anyone is familiar with any of these models and is willing to comment
      on them or my perceptions, I'd really appreciate it. Thanks!
    

Carl Trachte Morenci, Arizona, USA

Re: MUni Purchase Plans

Here’s an answer to one of your many questions. “What is a downhill tire”

–A knobby tire, generally 2.3 inches wide or wider, lots of traction, lots of
bounce, lots of cushion, and lots of weight. The only thing that prevents uphill
riding is the lots of weight part, but we just deal with that.

As my wife always says, "You might as well buy the one now that you really want.
Cuz when you find out the one you did buy isn’t good enough, then you’ll end up
buying the mega-cool one anyway.

This is how a credit card can actually save you money-- by preventing you from
having to buy something twice.

Another option would be to get the Hunter frame and the Semcycle Deluxe
axle/Doublewide rim/3"Gazzaloddi wheel combination. (Make sure they’ll fit
together first)

Chris Reeder

— Jane and Carl Trachte <janencarl@aepnet.com> wrote:
> The news group appears to be really quiet this weekend while the
> American National Unicycling Convention (NUC) is taking place. I thought
> this might be a good place to squeeze in this query before the next
> round of Cokermania e-mails (relax, Cokerheads, I don’t mean anything by
> that - it’s just that I don’t own one and there’s a lot of Coker envy on
> my part).
>
> I’m starting to make some progress and gain confidence with my Muni’ing
> and I need to start budgeting for an Muni purchase. Right now I’m using
> a Cycledesign Taiwanese unicycle. It has actually held up well, but I’m
> probably going to eventually wreck the axle or the rim or other parts of
> the uni that will render it unrideable. The terrain I’ll be riding on
> here in town is made up of shallow to moderately steep paths with
> rounded cobbles and boulders in them (A Coker person might suggest just
> getting a Coker and riding on the road - that’s just it - I live in a
> southwestern mining town that lies on the edge of the national forest
> - to really go out and explore beyond my patio, Muni’ing is not really a
> choice, but a necessity). We have a dry climate, and even during monsoon
> season, mud is seldom a problem - more often we see dry silt and sand. Snow
> falls some winters (I’ve lived here four years and we’ve had one winter
> where we had a lot of “real” snow that stuck around for a few weeks at a
> time).
>
> Hopefully, this isn’t too long winded, but I’ve listed the unicycles I
> have an interest in that are for sale at unicycle.com with my current
> thoughts on them (my thoughts are based on pictures and a limited
> knowledge of Muni based on reading OOW and the news group):
>
> 1) Pashley 26" Muni - the price is right; is the unicycle? I like the
> look of it. A wider frame with a fatter tire would be nice, but if
> it’s rugged and going to hold up, I could live with the narrow tire.
> Lollipop bearing holders - are they universally evil, or only a
> problem on Taiwanese unicycles? There’s been a fair bit of message
> traffic in the news group about this design leading to destroyed
> frames, but I don’t know if the Pashley has this problem.
>
> 2) Semcycle - 3 models with 24 and 26 in. tires - I like the fat tires
> - they look like a lot of fun. This is awfully fickle on my part, but I don’t
> like the fact that the frames remind me of the beaters on an electric mixer
> (kitchen utensil). Another question (perhaps stupid) - what is a “downhill”
> tire - does this mean the tread is designed for downhill riding, but not
> uphill (I’m going to be doing a lot of uphill riding)?
>
> 3) DM ATU - this is the one that I really want, but it’s pricey. The
> wheel isn’t as fat as the ones on the Semcycles, but, as I wrote
> above, if it can take some abuse, I’m not too worried about it.
> Supposedly, these never break, but there’s a first time for
> everything, and I’m great at breaking things. Can anyone repair
> these, or is it all a Dave Mariner secret? If something happens to
> Dave Mariner, or he just gets fed up with the Uni business, will
> anyone be able to service this? Once again, fickle on my part, but I
> like the look of this unicycle.
>
> 4) DM Vortex - gorgeous unicycle, by the description it sounds like a
> combination of the Porsche and Cadillac of Muni’s - I drive a 1986
> Nissan pickup - well, there’s always the outside chance that I’ll win
> the lottery . . .
>
> If anyone is familiar with any of these models and is willing to comment
> on them or my perceptions, I’d really appreciate it. Thanks!
>
> Carl Trachte Morenci, Arizona, USA
>
>
>


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Re: MUni Purchase Plans

Downhill tires are the best thing going for uphill muni. They give you lots of
traction and they suck up little obstacles like rocks and roots so you don’t
lose traction while climbing. Hills that were impossible suddenly become
possible when using a big fat tire. Downhill tires are designed to take the
abuse of downhill racing. The tires have reinforced sidewalls and usually have
an anti pinch flat bead design. They’re fat and strong with lots of traction.

But don’t get too much fat tire envy. You can get too much of a good thing. IMHO
(in my humble opinion) the Gazzaloddi Jr. 2.6" is the best size for most muni.
The 3" Gazzaloddi tires are so wide and have so much contact area that they are
harder to turn especially with quick twisting maneuvers. For single track trails
where maneuverability is important the 2.6" Gazz would be better. Where the 3"
tires excel is in jumping and hopping because they are more bouncy and can
absorb more impact. If you tend to go vertical a lot and like to do big drops
then a 3" tire might be your style. Otherwise consider the more modest 2.6". If
I only had one muni I would want one with a Gazz Jr. 2.6". I’m sure that others
here have different opinions on the ideal tire for muni. It all depends on your
riding style and your local terrain.

I have been using a Pashley Muni for three years. It’s an OK muni, but not
great. I haven’t had any problems with the frame around the lollypop bolts. It
seems to be solid in that area. However, I don’t like the lollypop bearing
holders. The pillow bock design on the Telfords and DMs are the way to go. The
Pashley will fit a 2.6" tire but just barely. I’m not sure what rim is stock on
it now, but I’m not sure if the stock rim is wide enough for the Gazz Jr tire.
The fat tires need W-I-D-E rims or the tire will fold over or even pop off the
rim when you side-hop up a hill. If the rim isn’t wide enough you will need to
add about $125+ to the price to have a new wheel built with a wide rim.

The DMATU is very nice but it is spendy. But for that price you get about $300+
worth of splined axle and cranks that you will probably never break. The 2.6"
tire is the perfect size (IMHO) for most muni. A couple of broken axles on a
standard muni with a standard hub and you have paid for the DMATU. The DMATU
could be cheaper than a standard muni in the long run if you tend to break
axles. However, the DMATU does have some strange features like a 48 spoke hub
(36 holes would be better because most downhill rims are 36 spoke) and the seat
tube is too small for a suspension seat post. I think the DMATU would be better
with a Sun double wide rim or a Mavic D321 rim and a more standard 36 spoke hub.

I have not ridden a fat tired Semcycle Deluxe but they should be a good muni
(even though they do look strange). I would rather have one of the Semcycles
than my Pashley. But that stock seat is useless for muni because it has no
handle. A Miyata seat would be much better.

If you still have fat tire envy you could get the Semcycle Deluxe with the
26" double wide rim (rather than the 24" rim). The 26" double wide rim will
fit both the 3" Gazz and the 2.6" Gazz Jr. You could swap tires depending on
your mood and riding conditions. If you can’t decide on the best tire just
get them both :slight_smile:

The Vortex is also a very spendy uni. But it might be possible to get it without
the brake which would cut maybe $200 or so from the price. Then there is the
Telford ( http://www.telford-design.com ). But Telfords are in very low
availability and I don’t know when production will increase. You could end up
waiting a while for one.

Consider your riding style and local terrain when picking your muni. Don’t get
paranoid about broken axles unless you are a real jumper. The people who break
their axles are the real aggressive riders who do big jumps or who happen to be
heavier than the average rider. My Pashley has lasted for 3 years so far with
the original axle, but I haven’t been jumping a lot on it.

john_childs

From: Jane and Carl Trachte
>
> The news group appears to be really quiet this weekend while the
> American National Unicycling Convention (NUC) is taking place. I thought
> this might be a good place to squeeze in this query before the next
> round of Cokermania e-mails (relax, Cokerheads, I don’t mean anything by
> that - it’s just that I don’t own one and there’s a lot of Coker envy on
> my part).
>
> I’m starting to make some progress and gain confidence with my Muni’ing
> and I need to start budgeting for an Muni purchase. Right now I’m using
> a Cycledesign Taiwanese unicycle. It has actually held up well, but I’m
> probably going to eventually wreck the axle or the rim or other parts of
> the uni that will render it unrideable. The terrain I’ll be riding on
> here in town is made up of shallow to moderately steep paths with
> rounded cobbles and boulders in them (A Coker person might suggest just
> getting a Coker and riding on the road - that’s just it - I live in a
> southwestern mining town that lies on the edge of the national forest
>- to really go out and explore beyond my patio, Muni’ing is not really a
> choice, but a necessity). We have a dry climate, and even during monsoon
> season, mud is seldom a problem - more often we see dry silt and sand. Snow
> falls some winters (I’ve lived here four years and we’ve had one winter where
> we had a lot of “real” snow that stuck around for a few weeks at a time).
>
> Hopefully, this isn’t too long winded, but I’ve listed the unicycles I
> have an interest in that are for sale at unicycle.com with my current
> thoughts on them (my thoughts are based on pictures and a limited
> knowledge of Muni based on reading OOW and the news group):
>
> 1) Pashley 26" Muni - the price is right; is the unicycle? I like the
> look of it. A wider frame with a fatter tire would be nice, but if
> it’s rugged and going to hold up, I could live with the narrow tire.
> Lollipop bearing holders - are they universally evil, or only a
> problem on Taiwanese unicycles? There’s been a fair bit of message
> traffic in the news group about this design leading to destroyed
> frames, but I don’t know if the Pashley has this problem.
>
> 2) Semcycle - 3 models with 24 and 26 in. tires - I like the fat tires
>- they look like a lot of fun. This is awfully fickle on my part, but I don’t
> like the fact that the frames remind me of the beaters on an electric mixer
> (kitchen utensil). Another question (perhaps stupid) - what is a “downhill”
> tire - does this mean the tread is designed for downhill riding, but not
> uphill (I’m going to be doing a lot of uphill riding)?
>
> 3) DM ATU - this is the one that I really want, but it’s pricey. The
> wheel isn’t as fat as the ones on the Semcycles, but, as I wrote
> above, if it can take some abuse, I’m not too worried about it.
> Supposedly, these never break, but there’s a first time for
> everything, and I’m great at breaking things. Can anyone repair
> these, or is it all a Dave Mariner secret? If something happens to
> Dave Mariner, or he just gets fed up with the Uni business, will
> anyone be able to service this? Once again, fickle on my part, but I
> like the look of this unicycle.
>
> 4) DM Vortex - gorgeous unicycle, by the description it sounds like a
> combination of the Porsche and Cadillac of Muni’s - I drive a 1986
> Nissan pickup - well, there’s always the outside chance that I’ll win
> the lottery . . .
>
> If anyone is familiar with any of these models and is willing to comment
> on them or my perceptions, I’d really appreciate it. Thanks!
>
>Carl Trachte Morenci, Arizona, USA


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[I agree-- lots of very good info in both these posts.]

Fat tires are awesome! And you will want a wide rim (I’ve had a Gazz 2.6 come
right off the rim hopping sideways with a narrow rim.) But even with a wide
rim(45mm wide HED. db45a), the Gazz 26x2.6 isn’t stiff enough for me and it
folds over. In May I started riding the Intense 26x2.7. It has extremely stiff
sidewalls (it’s a chore inserting your tube, they’re so stiff), and works much
better for hopping up sidehills. I’d like to hear from anyone that is riding the
Intense 24x3.0.

Chris Reeder

“John Childs” <john_childs@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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[Lots of very good info]

As you say, opinions will differ. For me, the Gazz 24x3.0 is the ultimate. I
would not ride with anything else that is currently on the market. Fat tire=Good
tire. Besides the benefits on drops and hops etc, this tire wears quite well and
doesn’t fold over at all (on DoubleWide rim). I don’t know anyone who’s ever had
a flat in one either - anyone out there? The extra weight etc are such minor
points compared to the benefits - how it rides and the apparent increase in
skill level it gives. On our last ride in Santa Cruz on Sunday, I was astounded
at the slope I could ride sideways without slipping a bit. That tread digs in
and doesn’t let go.

Back in the days when 2.35" was a super wide tire, I never dreamed I’d be able
to ride the stuff I can ride now, and it’s certainly not all due to an increase
in riding skill! We were so clueless then. 2.35" was available, but we were
using 2.1" and 2.0" and worse. Our first experiments with the 3.0" tires were
something like, “This might be a good tire occasionally, maybe for trials”. It
turned out that it’s the perfect all-around muni tire. If I had two munis,
they’d both have that tire.

2 days to departure for UniCon - Gazzaloddi goes to China!

—Nathan

PS To the Nokkian guys who always read this newsgroup, tell me when I’ve said
enough good stuff about your product, then send me lots of free samples.
Whatever you do, keep making the 24x3.0!


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The 3" tire fans have out numbered me. I may be forced to admit the 3" tires are
better than the little 2.6" tires.

Has anyone tried the 26x3.0 tires? How are they compared to the 24x3.0 tires?
The 26x3.0 tire would be huge. Are they too big?

john “skinny tire” childs


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Re: MUni Purchase Plans

From: Chris and Jennifer Reeder
>Fat tires are awesome! And you will want a wide rim (I’ve had a Gazz 2.6 come
>right off the rim hopping sideways with a narrow rim.) But even with a wide
>rim(45mm wide HED. db45a), the Gazz 26x2.6 isn’t stiff enough for me and it
>folds over. In May I started riding the Intense 26x2.7. It has extremely stiff
>sidewalls (it’s a chore inserting your tube, they’re so stiff), and works much
>better for hopping up sidehills. I’d like to hear from anyone that is riding
>the Intense 24x3.0.
>
>Chris Reeder

And I thought the Sun Double Wide was wide. A 45mm rim would put the Double Wide
to shame. How well does the HED rim work? And what tires work well with it?
Would a 26x3.0 tire work well with it? It looks like it would be a great rim for
fat tire muni. Too bad HED does not make the rim in a 24" size.

HED has the rim online at http://www.hedcycling.com/db45a.htm

The wide rims that I’m aware of are the Sun Double Wide and the Mavic D321. What
are some other wide rims that would be good for muni?

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The Sun DoubleWide is listed as 45.6mm if I remember correctly. At Idaho Joe’s
last week we put a caliper to his DoubleWide and my HED… The DoubleWide was
wider, but only by 0.006 inches (0.15mm). This is the outside width of the rim.
The inside width, where the bead of the tire actually rests, is actually wider
on the HED… The HED. is also about 70 grams lighter, and it is more aerodynamic
(for those of you breaking the sound barrier on your MUnis.) Maybe we could talk
HED. into making a 24".

Chris

— John Childs <john_childs@hotmail.com> wrote:

> And I thought the Sun Double Wide was wide. A 45mm rim would put the Double
> Wide to shame. How well does the HED rim work? And what tires work well with
> it? Would a 26x3.0 tire work well with it? It looks like it would be a great
> rim for fat tire muni. Too bad HED does not make the rim in a 24" size.
>
> HED has the rim online at http://www.hedcycling.com/db45a.htm
>
> The wide rims that I’m aware of are the Sun Double Wide and the Mavic D321.
> What are some other wide rims that would be good for muni?
>
> john_childs
>


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> >What are some other wide rims that would be good for muni?

I just found a website on Avro rims. They currently make a 45mm wide “Mother”
downhill rim, comes in 24 or 26 inch, 32 or 36 hole, yellow or black, comes with
CNC machined sidewalls so you can run rim brakes.

Avro is also producing another model this fall. I’m hoping it’s even wider.

See The Mother at the following web sites:

http://www.dhbike.com/ or http://www.speedshop.ch/av_mother.htm


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Re: MUni Purchase Plans

Carl,

Sorry you are feeling marginalized by the Cokerheads, we are not a bad bunch
really…

To answer you muni queries,
a. Cokers can do off road as well :slight_smile:
b. Pashley are great value and can fit a 2.6 Gazzaloti in the frame. There is
not much clearance but they do fit and it does transform the unicycle in to
quite a nice machine.
c. Sem, I can not comment. I have never ridden one.
d. DMATU, These are superb. They are made very well and Dave Mariner has years
of experience behind him. Although I am sure you can break them… you can
break anything… to give you some idea of the quality, I have seen one of
Dave’s giraffes being run over by a van and sustaining no damage (except for
the seat!). There are lots of Dave’s unicycles in the UK and I know from
experience that if you have a DM it will be the last in the bunch that need
any attention.
e. Vortex, I have only seen pictures but it is lovely isn’t it. I would
love one also.

I hope I have helped you here,

Roger

> The news group appears to be really quiet this weekend while the American
> National Unicycling Convention (NUC) is taking place. I thought this might be
> a good place to squeeze in this query before the next round of Cokermania
> e-mails (relax, Cokerheads, I don’t mean anything by that - it’s just that I
> don’t own one and there’s a lot of Coker envy on my part).
>
> I’m starting to make some progress and gain confidence with my Muni’ing and I
> need to start budgeting for an Muni purchase. Right now I’m using a
> Cycledesign Taiwanese unicycle. It has actually held up well, but I’m probably
> going to eventually wreck the axle or the rim or other parts of the uni that
> will render it unrideable. The terrain I’ll be riding on here in town is made
> up of shallow to moderately steep paths with rounded cobbles and boulders in
> them (A Coker person might suggest just getting a Coker and riding on the road
> - that’s just it - I live in a southwestern mining town that lies on the edge
> of the national forest
> - to really go out and explore beyond my patio, Muni’ing is not really a
> choice, but a necessity). We have a dry climate, and even during monsoon
> season, mud is seldom a problem - more often we see dry silt and sand. Snow
> falls some winters (I’ve lived here four years and we’ve had one winter
> where we had a lot of “real” snow that stuck around for a few weeks at a
> time).
>
> Hopefully, this isn’t too long winded, but I’ve listed the unicycles I have an
> interest in that are for sale at unicycle.com with my current thoughts on them
> (my thoughts are based on pictures and a limited knowledge of Muni based on
> reading OOW and the news group):
>
> 1) Pashley 26" Muni - the price is right; is the unicycle? I like the look of
> it. A wider frame with a fatter tire would be nice, but if it’s rugged and
> going to hold up, I could live with the narrow tire. Lollipop bearing
> holders - are they universally evil, or only a problem on Taiwanese
> unicycles? There’s been a fair bit of message traffic in the news group
> about this design leading to destroyed frames, but I don’t know if the
> Pashley has this problem.
>
> 2) Semcycle - 3 models with 24 and 26 in. tires - I like the fat tires
> - they look like a lot of fun. This is awfully fickle on my part, but I don’t
> like the fact that the frames remind me of the beaters on an electric mixer
> (kitchen utensil). Another question (perhaps stupid) - what is a “downhill”
> tire - does this mean the tread is designed for downhill riding, but not
> uphill (I’m going to be doing a lot of uphill riding)?
>
> 3) DM ATU - this is the one that I really want, but it’s pricey. The wheel
> isn’t as fat as the ones on the Semcycles, but, as I wrote above, if it can
> take some abuse, I’m not too worried about it. Supposedly, these never
> break, but there’s a first time for everything, and I’m great at breaking
> things. Can anyone repair these, or is it all a Dave Mariner secret? If
> something happens to Dave Mariner, or he just gets fed up with the Uni
> business, will anyone be able to service this? Once again, fickle on my
> part, but I like the look of this unicycle.
>
> 4) DM Vortex - gorgeous unicycle, by the description it sounds like a
> combination of the Porsche and Cadillac of Muni’s - I drive a 1986 Nissan
> pickup - well, there’s always the outside chance that I’ll win the lottery
> . . .
>
> If anyone is familiar with any of these models and is willing to comment on
> them or my perceptions, I’d really appreciate it. Thanks!
>
> Carl Trachte Morenci, Arizona, USA

Re: MUni Purchase Plans

Another element to consider in your purchase: It is incredibly helpful to have a
seat with a handle. Miyata is a good choice–especially if re-made using the
carbon fiber base and Roach cover. None of the unicycles you mentioned come with
a Miyata seat. Something more to put into the budget.

David Maxfield

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“John Childs” <john_childs@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:LAW-F80vXee4fDGCl9F00007075@hotmail.com

[Lots of very good info]

As you say, opinions will differ. For me, the Gazz 24x3.0 is the ultimate. I
would not ride with anything else that is currently on the market. Fat tire=Good
tire. Besides the benefits on drops and hops etc, this tire wears quite well and
doesn’t fold over at all (on DoubleWide rim). I don’t know anyone who’s ever had
a flat in one either - anyone out there? The extra weight etc are such minor
points compared to the benefits - how it rides and the apparent increase in
skill level it gives. On our last ride in Santa Cruz on Sunday, I was astounded
at the slope I could ride sideways without slipping a bit. That tread digs in
and doesn’t let go.

Back in the days when 2.35" was a super wide tire, I never dreamed I’d be able
to ride the stuff I can ride now, and it’s certainly not all due to an increase
in riding skill! We were so clueless then. 2.35" was available, but we were
using 2.1" and 2.0" and worse. Our first experiments with the 3.0" tires were
something like, “This might be a good tire occasionally, maybe for trials”. It
turned out that it’s the perfect all-around muni tire. If I had two munis,
they’d both have that tire.

2 days to departure for UniCon - Gazzaloddi goes to China!

—Nathan

PS To the Nokkian guys who always read this newsgroup, tell me when I’ve said
enough good stuff about your product, then send me lots of free samples.
Whatever you do, keep making the 24x3.0!

Re: MUni Purchase Plans

>What are some other wide rims that would be good for muni?

I use the Sun Phat Albert (49mm) on my ultimate wheel. Sun no longer makes the
Phat Albert, and it is very inexpensive on the used market–I paid $10.

It doesn’t have the strength of the Double Wide, but it’s still pretty
interesting. Of course for my use the strength comes from screwing the rim to a
hefty plywood disk.

David Maxfield Bainbridge Island, WA

Re: MUni Purchase Plans

David Poznanter built up a prototype machine that had a 26x3.0 Gazz, and my
opinion is that for general riding, it’s too tall. I like to be closer to the
ground I guess. Also, it’s even heavier than the 24. Inflated, this tire is
close to 29" in diameter, meaning you need even longer cranks on steep hills.
For non-technical trail riding though, it is pretty nice - it REALLY moves!

Bottom line, in my opinion, it is too big for the riding I do, although
looks-wise, it is the best - so huge!

—Nathan

“John Childs” <john_childs@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:LAW-F245M0UzDHuWvPl00007b27@hotmail.com
> The 3" tire fans have out numbered me. I may be forced to admit the 3" tires
> are better than the little 2.6" tires.
>
> Has anyone tried the 26x3.0 tires? How are they compared to the 24x3.0 tires?
> The 26x3.0 tire would be huge. Are they too big?
>
> john “skinny tire” childs

Re: MUni Purchase Plans

I agree about the 3’’ tire. I have both a 26x2.6 DMATU and a Vortex prototype
with a 24x3 tire.

I could see using the 26x2.6 on hard packed dirt (focusing on speed), but I have
been able to ride and hop onto and off stuff that I did not believe was possible
on the 24x3.

The 3’’ Gazz kicks ass!

Regards, Bronson

“Nathan Hoover” <nathan@paper2net.com> wrote in message
news:snug85fb3j1150@corp.supernews.com
> “John Childs” <john_childs@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:LAW-F80vXee4fDGCl9F00007075@hotmail.com
>
> [Lots of very good info]
>
> As you say, opinions will differ. For me, the Gazz 24x3.0 is the
ultimate.
> I would not ride with anything else that is currently on the market. Fat
tire=Good
> tire. Besides the benefits on drops and hops etc, this tire wears quite well
> and doesn’t fold over at all (on DoubleWide rim). I don’t know anyone who’s
> ever had a flat in one either - anyone out there? The extra weight etc
are
> such minor points compared to the benefits - how it rides and the apparent
> increase in skill level it gives. On our last ride in Santa Cruz on Sunday, I
> was astounded at the slope I could ride sideways without slipping a bit. That
> tread digs in and doesn’t let go.
>
> Back in the days when 2.35" was a super wide tire, I never dreamed I’d be able
> to ride the stuff I can ride now, and it’s certainly not all due to
an
> increase in riding skill! We were so clueless then. 2.35" was available, but
> we were using 2.1" and 2.0" and worse. Our first experiments with the 3.0"
> tires were something like, "This might be a good tire occasionally, maybe for
trials".
> It turned out that it’s the perfect all-around muni tire. If I had two
munis,
> they’d both have that tire.
>
> 2 days to departure for UniCon - Gazzaloddi goes to China!
>
> —Nathan
>
> PS To the Nokkian guys who always read this newsgroup, tell me when I’ve said
> enough good stuff about your product, then send me lots of free samples.
> Whatever you do, keep making the 24x3.0!
>
>

Re: MUni Purchase Plans

> >What are some other wide rims that would be good for muni?

I have a Mavic 321 Rim on my MUni and I 've just built up a 24" HALO Combat Rim
to take to China as a dual purpose racing and Muni Wheel. The Halo Combat is the
same width (36mm) as the Mavic but comes in plenty of options : 24" / 26"
36 / 48 Hole With or without braking surfaces (it’s the widest rim I’ve seen
with a braking surface)

Leo White