muni frames

A tip from the Magura Cult Homepage
http://www.execulink.com/~dtierney/wmc/Magura/contents.htm

Use Finish Line No. 5 Shock Oil when bleeding the brakes. This is oil
for bike shocks. You should be able to find it at most bike shops. It
will have a more reliable viscosity than regular mineral oil. You never
know what kind of viscosity you are going to get with mineral oil from
a pharmacy.

The Magura Cult page also has some other good tips to help you bleed
the brakes.

john_childs

>From: Kris Holm <danger_uni@yahoo.com>
>
>One other thing about Maguras: It’s a good idea to have some extra brake
>fluid on hand so that you can bleed the brakes yourself (very easy job-
>not worth going to a shop to do this). Don’t bother getting the special
>(and expensive) Magura brake fluid though: just go down to your local
>pharmacy and get some light mineral oil. This works fine for Maguras
>(although not for other brands of hydraulic brakes).
>
>-Kris.


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All right, I know I want a muni of some sort… I think I’ve determined
that I want something that will fit a Gazz 24x3.0 tire, and will be using
(or at least starting out with) a Suzue hub.

Does anyone have any commentary on the frames available which will fit
such a wheel?

jeff lutkus


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Hi,

Yes i have a few comments, but I am sure someone could give some better advice.

Before those comments, I have a few questions to ask you. How hardcore are you going to do MUni? How much money are you willing to spend?

I’ll go through some recommendations from seat to tire.

Seat: Roach air pillow seat, with a carbon fiber frame, Miyata handle and bumper. Not sure on the Ergo handle yet"??"

Post mount: Wilder rail bracket. Lets you run brakes and most any seat post. Thats good if you want a light post.

Post: Thompson or Rock Shox elastomer.

Post clamp: not sure.

Frame: Wilder, they are gonna have 3 models available. Profile.

Wheel: Nokian 3" tire, Sun Doublewide rim, spokes (obviously, {titanium would be nice}), Profile hub and crank set. Kris Holm said he is working out a deal with Race Face, so Race Face cranks would be a must over Profile.

Pedals: BMX type, metal freestyle pedals. Primo, Demolition, or Profile.

Brakes: Disc or hs-33 Maguras (depending on frame), or V-brakes (depending on tire width).

This setup should run for about a grand. Note: not everything here is available yet.

Evan

MUni wrote:

> I’ll go through some recommendations from seat to tire.
>
> Seat: Roach air pillow seat, with a carbon fiber frame, Miyata handle
> and bumper. Not sure on the Ergo handle yet"??"
>
> Post mount: Wilder rail bracket. Lets you run brakes and most any seat
> post. Thats good if you want a light post.
>
> Post: Thompson or Rock Shox elastomer.
>
> Post clamp: not sure.
>
> Frame: Wilder, they are gonna have 3 models available. Profile.
>
> Wheel: Nokian 3" tire, Sun Doublewide rim, spokes (obviously, {titanium
> would be nice}), Profile hub and crank set. Kris Holm said he is working
> out a deal with Race Face, so Race Face cranks would be a must over
> Profile.
>
> Pedals: BMX type, metal freestyle pedals. Primo, Demolition, or Profile.
>
> Brakes: Disc or hs-33 Maguras (depending on frame), or V-brakes
> (depending on tire width).
>
> This setup should run for about a grand. Note: not everything here is
> available yet.

Virtually everything there is available now (except maybe the Race Face
cranks, but it’ll cost you a lot more then $1000. By my
estimate,$1300-1400.

That’s kind of a “dream muni”. I went with the budget model and have been
enjoying it for about 6 months. It wouldn’t hold up for some of you who
are more skilled and adventerous then I am…

Seat & post: Miyata Seat clamp: dual nut BMX style (don’t remember the
brand) Frame: United 24", extended about 2" by Chris Reeder Wheel: Sun
Doublewide Hub: Suzue Tire: Nokian Gazzoliddi 24x3 Cranks: experimental
set from Unicycle Source, originally Lascos Pedals: Primo No brake.

Advantages: Cost, under $400 for the whole thing. Disadvantages: Very
limited tire clearance, trouble keeping cranks from getting loose, seat
base rather flexable, seat less comfortable.

Greg

thanks for the tips. As of yet, I don’t have any unicycles quite worthy of
trails, but I tried nonetheless. I am a college student, and probably
insane enough that I can get into this. I am willing to spend some money,
but unwilling to go completely broke (ie: $1300 is more than I’d spend,
but I am willing to spend money for good components)

I think I’ll be happy with a 24x3.0 wheel, as it will still have a low
enough momentum for me to go up some hills I may encounter. Sun rim… I’m
not sure I care to spend the extra money for titanium spokes just yet. I
think I’ll plan to use a Suzue hub, and upgrade to the profile if I make
it to the level where I’ve broken a few of the Suzue.

Any recmmendations on what kind of cotterless crank arms to go with?

I definitely plan on going with the metal bmx type pedals. I’ve been happy
with the odyssey twisted pro, myself. Of the ones you mentioned, primo are
the only ones I’ve used before, but I feel more comfortable on the odyssey
for reasons I don’t quite know.

I’ve already got a seat more-or-less like the carbon
fiber/miyata/roach setup, only with a steel plate and schwinn style
mount, and homemade cover. I plan to stay with that, and upgrade if I
wish to spend more later.

I’ve made it all right so far without any sort of break, so I’ll not plan
on getting anything now, but may in the future.

So, back to the big question on my mind – the frame. I know a few will
fit the 3.0" tire. So, what makes one better or different than the next?

thanks, jeff lutkus

— MUni <forum.member@unicyclist.com>
> wrote: Hi,
>
>Yes i have a few comments, but I am sure someone could give some
>better advice.
>
>Before those comments, I have a few questions to ask you. How hardcore
>are you going to do MUni? How much money are you willing to spend?
>
>I’ll go through some recommendations from seat to tire.
>
>Seat: Roach air pillow seat, with a carbon fiber frame, Miyata handle and
>bumper. Not sure on the Ergo handle yet"??"
>
>Post mount: Wilder rail bracket. Lets you run brakes and most any seat
>post. Thats good if you want a light post.
>
>Post: Thompson or Rock Shox elastomer.
>
>Post clamp: not sure.
>
>Frame: Wilder, they are gonna have 3 models available. Profile.
>
>Wheel: Nokian 3" tire, Sun Doublewide rim, spokes (obviously, {titanium
>would be nice}), Profile hub and crank set. Kris Holm said he is
>working out a deal with Race Face, so Race Face cranks would be a must
>over Profile.
>
>Pedals: BMX type, metal freestyle pedals. Primo, Demolition, or Profile.
>
>Brakes: Disc or hs-33 Maguras (depending on frame), or V-brakes
>(depending on tire width).
>
>This setup should run for about a grand. Note: not everything here is
>available yet.
>
>Evan
>
>
>
>
>–
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The Hunter is a good frame. It does look a little strange, but works
great. The only real disadvantage to the Hunter frame is that it has a
rounded crown so it is not good for one foot skills or gliding. For most
people that is not a problem for a muni.

If you want to do one foot skills on a muni then wait for the
Wilder frames.

There is also the Telford frame http://www.telford-design.com/ I don’t
know about cost or availability for the Telford frame. But it is cool and
very well made and will fit a 24x3 Gazz tire.

Whatever frame you decide on make sure it will fit 40mm bearings so you
can upgrade to a Profile hub later or to whatever future hubs become
available. Frames that use 35mm bearing holders are not good for future
upgrades of the hub.

An option for cranks is to get tandem bike cranks. Get the right crank
from the front riders set and the left crank from the rear riders set.
This way you wont’t have to grind off a spider from a crank. A bike shop
can order cranks that way. Price for a pair will run about $30 to $100+
depending on the quality of the crank. $30 forged alloy cranks like a
Sugino will be adequate. No need to spend $100+ unless you find that the
$30 cranks don’t hold up to your use.

For a 24x3 wheel you will probably want 170mm cranks.

If you really want to spend $90 on cranks you can get the Black Widow Euro
cranks. The advantage to the Black Widow cranks is that they are straight
like unicycle cranks. Regular bicyle cranks bow outward so the cranks can
clear the chainstay. Having your feet closer together makes it easier to
pedal faster without causing the unicycle to torque left and right. Having
your feet a little wider can make you a little more stable when hopping
and standing still. Plusses and minuses for each design. For a muni I
would probably use standard bike cranks to get the extra stability of the
wider stance, but a lot of it is personal preference and would depend on
your riding style.

john_childs

>From: Jeff Lutkus <lutkus@unicyclist.com>
>
>All right, I know I want a muni of some sort… I think I’ve determined
>that I want something that will fit a Gazz 24x3.0 tire, and will be using
>(or at least starting out with) a Suzue hub.
>
>Does anyone have any commentary on the frames available which will fit
>such a wheel?
>
>jeff lutkus


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I’ve come to the conclusion that my very old unicycle is too small for me.
I can touch both feet on the ground whilst sat on it and even with teh
seat at full extension I’m still not getting my leg at anywhere near full
extension at the bottom of the stroke and I often find I’m not sat with my
full weight on the seat.

So I’m thinking about a new unicycle. Thing is, if I’m going to buy one
then I really want a proper muni as I’m aiming to be able to ride off-road
eventually. I am still learning though, i can still only ride in a
straight line and turn very slowly.

Am I going to find a 26’’ muni too hard to carry on learning on or should
I go for another 20’’ unicycle with a longer seatpost.

Obviously the alternative is a new seatpost and seat but I really want
a muni :wink:

Ideas anyone?

jon./

I’ve come to the conclusion that my very old unicycle is too small for me.
I can touch both feet on the ground whilst sat on it and even with teh
seat at full extension I’m still not getting my leg at anywhere near full
extension at the bottom of the stroke and I often find I’m not sat with my
full weight on the seat.

So I’m thinking about a new unicycle. Thing is, if I’m going to buy one
then I really want a proper muni as I’m aiming to be able to ride off-road
eventually. I am still learning though, i can still only ride in a
straight line and turn very slowly.

Am I going to find a 26’’ muni too hard to carry on learning on or should
I go for another 20’’ unicycle with a longer seatpost.

Obviously the alternative is a new seatpost and seat but I really want
a muni :wink:

Ideas anyone?

jon./

Jon,

The Pashley is a good beginners and intermediate machine, it can even get
used under quite extreme conditions re: Duncan Castling in many Polaris’s
and Dan Heaton in the Universe Video. Since I believe you are probably in
the UK, this is definitely the most economic answer.

Roger

The UK's Unicycle Source <a href="http://www.unicycle.uk.com/">http://www.unicycle.uk.com/</a>

----- Original Message ----- From: “Jon Wyatt”
<samurai@samur1.demon.co.uk> To: <unicycling@winternet.com> Sent: Sunday,
May 13, 2001 2:50 PM Subject: New unicycle

>
> I’ve come to the conclusion that my very old unicycle is too
> small for me.
I
> can touch both feet on the ground whilst sat on it and even with
> teh seat
at
> full extension I’m still not getting my leg at anywhere near full
extension
> at the bottom of the stroke and I often find I’m not sat with my full
weight
> on the seat.
>
> So I’m thinking about a new unicycle. Thing is, if I’m going to buy one
then
> I really want a proper muni as I’m aiming to be able to ride off-road
> eventually. I am still learning though, i can still only ride in a
straight
> line and turn very slowly.
>
> Am I going to find a 26’’ muni too hard to carry on learning on
> or should
I
> go for another 20’’ unicycle with a longer seatpost.
>
> Obviously the alternative is a new seatpost and seat but I really want
> a muni :wink:
>
> Ideas anyone?
>
> jon./

Jon,

The Pashley is a good beginners and intermediate machine, it can even get
used under quite extreme conditions re: Duncan Castling in many Polaris’s
and Dan Heaton in the Universe Video. Since I believe you are probably in
the UK, this is definitely the most economic answer.

Roger

The UK's Unicycle Source <a href="http://www.unicycle.uk.com/">http://www.unicycle.uk.com/</a>

----- Original Message ----- From: “Jon Wyatt”
<samurai@samur1.demon.co.uk> To: <unicycling@winternet.com> Sent: Sunday,
May 13, 2001 2:50 PM Subject: New unicycle

>
> I’ve come to the conclusion that my very old unicycle is too
> small for me.
I
> can touch both feet on the ground whilst sat on it and even with
> teh seat
at
> full extension I’m still not getting my leg at anywhere near full
extension
> at the bottom of the stroke and I often find I’m not sat with my full
weight
> on the seat.
>
> So I’m thinking about a new unicycle. Thing is, if I’m going to buy one
then
> I really want a proper muni as I’m aiming to be able to ride off-road
> eventually. I am still learning though, i can still only ride in a
straight
> line and turn very slowly.
>
> Am I going to find a 26’’ muni too hard to carry on learning on
> or should
I
> go for another 20’’ unicycle with a longer seatpost.
>
> Obviously the alternative is a new seatpost and seat but I really want
> a muni :wink:
>
> Ideas anyone?
>
> jon./

Jeff,

Sorry about that, the unicycle I depicted would be a dream machine. I listed the parts I did because, no matter how big you go, the parts will continue to hold up. Greg was close on the price, around $1200 U.S.

Anyway, its the one I’m saving up for.

Currently I have a Miyata 24" Delux, with no modifications, and it has been able to withstand 2’-3 1/2’ drops to flat ground. So My Suzue hub has held up perfectly and so have the rest of my parts.

I plan to go and get really hardcore in MUni and Uni Trials, so I listed all the parts previously that would accomplish hardcore riding.

I know I don’t have enough to buy a one grand unicycle all at once, therefore i will purchase my parts in sets and build my own custom trail beast!!

Good luck,
Evan

Greg House <ghouse@spammenot.southwind.net> wrote in article
>

>Frame: United 24", extended about 2" by Chris Reeder

>Advantages: Cost, under $400 for the whole thing. Disadvantages: Very
>limited tire clearance, trouble keeping cranks from getting loose, seat
>base rather flexable, seat less comfortable.
>
Specifically how did you extend the frame 2"? Was it a horizontal (width)
or vertical (height) extension?

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Greg House <ghouse@spammenot.southwind.net> wrote in article
>

>Frame: United 24", extended about 2" by Chris Reeder

>Advantages: Cost, under $400 for the whole thing. Disadvantages: Very
>limited tire clearance, trouble keeping cranks from getting loose, seat
>base rather flexable, seat less comfortable.
>
Specifically how did you extend the frame 2"? Was it a horizontal (width)
or vertical (height) extension?

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I extend them vertically 1.5 inches for a 24x3, or 2.5 inches for a
26x3. You just chop the legs somewhere in the middle, cut two short
pieces of 1" o.d. tubing to insert at the cuts, and weld it back
together. (4 welds total.) The hard part is making things line up
when you’re done, for which I finally made a jig.

Chris

> Specifically how did you extend the frame 2"? Was it a horizontal
> (width) or vertical (height) extension?
>
> Don_TaiATyahooDOTcoDOTuk but I live in Toronto
> http://torontounicyclists.tripod.com
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Don Tai wrote:

> Greg House <ghouse@spammenot.southwind.net> wrote in article
>
> >Frame: United 24", extended about 2" by Chris Reeder
>
> >Advantages: Cost, under $400 for the whole thing. Disadvantages: Very
> >limited tire clearance, trouble keeping cranks from getting loose, seat
> >base rather flexable, seat less comfortable.

> Specifically how did you extend the frame 2"? Was it a horizontal
> (width) or vertical (height) extension?

It was just a simple height extension (2" of extra tubing welded into each
side of the fork). It really needed to be widened a bit for the 3" tire
too. It’s ok, but has almost no mud clearance.

Greg

Jeff Lutkus wrote:
>
> So, back to the big question on my mind – the frame. I know a few
> will fit the 3.0" >tire. So, what makes one better or different than
> the next?

Jeff,

The things that come to my mind are:

-Weight Anybody know how much a Hunter frame weighs? -Tire Clearance at
the height of the tire you plan to use. -Frame Flex Especially important
if running rim brakes or if you have very little tire clearance to start
with, since you’ll either rub the tire on the frame or the rim on the
brake pad when climbing or descending steep grades. -Overall width. Is it
narrow enough that you don’t smack your legs on the frame tubing? I
haven’t ridden any that smacked me, but maybe someone else has had a
different experience. -Bearing holder style & size. Main-cap are the
easiest to work with, but some are still better quality than others.
Ideally, the bearing holder will fit snug all the way around the bearing
without slop. 40mm seems the most common size, but also note that the
bearings used with the Profile hub are narrower than those used with
standard axles. Another thing is the less loose pieces there are when you
take the wheel off, the better. For example, are there just four bolts and
a couple caps that come off? Or are there also nuts and washers to lose?
Etc. -Cost -Paint Job -Looks -Presence of water bottle mounts (Pashley)
-Crown style (Is it easy to rest a foot on it?) -Presence of brake
bosses/disc tabs -Is there any cable routing for brakes?
Internal/External? -Seatpost diameter (It’s pretty hard to fit a
suspension post in a
22.2mm seat tube.) -Vertical or slanted (Telford) seat tube -Whether the
seat post can go all the way through the frame and touch the tire.
Might be an issue if you’re trying to fit a suspension post in, which
are generally too long and have to be shortened anyway. If your
seatpost bottoms out somewhere inside the frame, you’ll have to shorten
it even more and probably lose some suspension travel.

Some of these are subjective measures, and others (like frame flex)
probably haven’t been measured so we don’t really know which ones
flex the most.

Chris

http://www.reeder.unicyclist.com

jeff lutkus wrote:

> For anyone who knows these things, even if you don’t have exact
> numbers on
the weights, etc, could someone estimate a ranking order of one frame
to the next?

This one is not good idea because if you just say one is better than the
other… it probably wont be under different conditions and terrains. This
happens here in the UK with bikes, people look at full suspension bikes
sold in the US and think that because they are recommended for down hill
they would be great in the UK. No. We have mud here! and the terrain and
style of riding is very different.

Definitely assess which frame has which feature: which is the most rigid,
which is the heaviest etc. but I would be very wary of positioning them on
an overall category.

Another example that is worth noting, Lolly pop bearing housing have a
reputation for being less good than split bearing (maincap). This is not
always the case Pashley’s bearing housing while being a pain to get in and
out produce a very strong and rigid frame with the added advantage that
the bearing tend to last many times longer than bearings held in split
bearing housings.

Just my penny worth.

Roger

                     The UK's Unicycle Source
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> Does anyone have any numbers for these as far as weight, size of bearing
> holders, ability to add a break, tire clearance (height and width), and
> seatpost diameter.

I’ll take a stab at this. I’ve ridden most of these and I’m never short of
opinions :slight_smile:

UNITED: An extended United frame might be the lightest steel one. At least
it probably is before being extended. But it’s cheap stuff. Cheap steel,
inexpensive production. Bearing holders: are we talking split block main
cap or lollipop? If it’s lollipop, I wouldn’t even bother. But I have a
Chris Reeder Trials uni, and it has split block. My experience with those
types of frame is that sometimes the bearing holders come out a little
crooked (from the factory). Also they may fit the bearing too loose or too
tight. These frames are fairly stiff, though adding length may add a
little flex. No provision for brakes, tire clearance minimal before
customizing. No place to put a foot, though my Chris Reeder frame has a
nut simply welded to the side of the crown on each side for one-footing,
and it works great. Overall, probably the cheapest of the group.

HUNTER: These frames fit the 3.0" tires just fine, and are made from
narrow tubing so they don’t bang your legs. I don’t think the standard
Hunter frame fits the 26 x 3" though. The frame is still fairly light, but
my guess is that it contains more metal and may weigh slightly more than
the United. This is weight I would gladly pay extra for. split block
bearing holders; no experience with them on this frame. Stiff frame. No
brake mounts. No place to put a foot. Overall: this is the frame that
inspired both the Telford and the DM Vortex, and unlike all the others, is
built by a guy who is well known for quality bike frames.

WILDER: I have not seen this one yet, though I have seen and ridden the
aluminum unicycle Scott Bridgeman brought to MUni Weekend last fall.
Though it looked heavy and clunky in pictures, it turned out to be very
light, very stiff, and very impressive. I assume these qualities will be
the same, and probably improved upon in the Wilder frame. This frame may
be lighter than all the steel ones. I can’t wait to try one out!

TELFORD: This is the most meticulously crafted MUni frame. Geoffrey
Faraghan is so meticulous, in fact, that the waiting time for a Telford is
still unknown. This alone speaks for the quality of the cycle. To me it is
also the most beautiful frame, with its curved lines and sloping seat
tube. Precisely machined split block bearing holders. Very stiff frame. No
provision for one footing, and if you want to walk the wheel, forget it
(maybe you can sit facing backward?). Probably weighs slightly more than
the Hunter; not enough to notice. Brakes have been mounted on Telfords,
but I don’t know the details.

DM (ATU): Simple steel construction. Built to be bomb-proof rather than
light, it still works fine for me. split block bearing holders work great
for me, but the double-bolt seat clamp has problems. Making the seat tight
enough has resulted in the bolts curving through the clamp, and I risk
breaking them if I want to change my seat height (this has already
happened once), so I don’t. Definitely a drawback for air travel. This
frame fits the 2.6 Gazz, but not 3.0. Square crown with small slope is
knurled for excellent foot grip. Unlike all the frames listed above, this
one comes chrome plated, which I prefer. Paint looks great, but always
gets scratched up in the car. Overall, the chrome and the one-foot
capability are two of the strongest points, not to mention that Kris Holm
rides one.

DM (VORTEX): The Vortex uses thinner-walled tubing to reduce width. It
uses the minimal amount of tubing (David Mariner came up with the same
design I did), and fits everything up to the 26 x 3" Gazz. It’s still
probably a little heavier than the others, though real strong. However the
only one I have played with was equipped with the 26 x 3, brakes, and
other stuff to make it real heavy so I can’t really compare it with the
others. Split block bearing holders. Rim brakes. No provision for
one-footing.

And let’s throw in a few others:

ROGER DAVIES CARBON: I have a MK 5 frame, which I love. Unfortunately it
doesn’t fit a 2.6" Gazz, and so my carbon MUni has been eclipsed by my DM
ATU. This keeps it from getting dirty though… :slight_smile: The carbon frame is
still the highest-tech material currently out there in a unicycle frame,
and of course it’s way lighter than all the others. Construction is from
three pieces of carbon fiber tubing, with an aluminum crown and (split
block) bearing holders. As a penalty for lightness, this frame does flex.
But this flex is only side to side, so it doesn’t affect the ride unless
you’re in really technical terrain. I have a suspension post and miyata
seat on there, so it flexes up there as well and is like riding a light
and springy, but strong unicycle. No provision for brakes, but the flat
crown allows easy one-footing. Overall, I love the exotic quality of the
carbon, and I know I have a MUni that is as light as I can get without
using wimpy parts.

PASHLEY: All the unicycles above are expensive! If you can’t afford them,
the Pashley is the next best thing. A simple steel frame, I’ve never heard
of frame problems, even from Brett Bymaster or Dan Heaton. The only MUni
that comes with water bottle bosses (front and rear)! This frame uses a
lollipop bearing, but not the same one as the cheap Taiwan and Chinese
unicycles. On the Pashley, the attachment bolts go all the way through the
fork so there is less stress on it, but it still places too much stress
where the bolts come out. Brett Bymaster has flat/round washers (made by
Tom Miller) to interface between the bolts and frame. No provision for
brakes or one-footing. Weight is probably medium for this group. Does not
fit the 2.6 Gazz with sufficient clearance to be usable.

SEMCYCLE DELUXE: This frame, based on the Schwinn/Loyd design, is the only
one here not designed for MUni. Its great strengths are its simplicity,
and its ability to fit most any tire width. The two steel blades are
probably heavier than most of the frames above, and flex more than any of
the others. Like the carbon though, this flex is only side to side. You
can’t run a tire that doesn’t have good clearance because the flex will
get into the tire. But the frame will open up to fit any width at the hub,
and if necessary you can add spacers at the seat post to make it wider at
the crown. This is a great frame for a 20" Trials uni as it’s lighter than
a Schwinn and easier than having a wide frame custom made. Bearings are
held very solidly in place. Harder to take apart than the main cap types,
but this design uses less materials than all the others around the
bearings. No provision for brakes or one footing.

DISCLAIMER: This is all off the top of my head. It’s as accurate as I can
dredge up from memory, but not guaranteed. Hopefully it provides the
information you need to compare from one to the other, but heed the
message below:

Frame alone does not a good unicycle make. Only coupled with good quality
parts will the frames above turn into the best possible unicycles. Bad
components on a good frame will just be a bad unicycle. For me, frames
have never been the crucial part. It’s important that they fit the tire
though, and can accommodate brakes if you want to use them. One-foot
riding and wheel walking to me are not important requirements for a MUni,
but most people don’t have as many other unicycles as I do. I have only
had a frame fail on me once, and that was from practicing a trick that
basically amounted to severe frame abuse. Remember the parts that usually
break on unicycles are axles, crank arms, and spokes/wheels, so make sure
those are up to the task as well.

Stay on top, John Foss, the Uni-Cyclone jfoss@unicycling.com
www.unicycling.com

“He who dies with the most toys is dead.”

> Does anyone have any numbers for these as far as weight, size of bearing
> holders, ability to add a break, tire clearance (height and width), and
> seatpost diameter.

I’ll take a stab at this. I’ve ridden most of these and I’m never short of
opinions :slight_smile:

UNITED: An extended United frame might be the lightest steel one. At least
it probably is before being extended. But it’s cheap stuff. Cheap steel,
inexpensive production. Bearing holders: are we talking split block main
cap or lollipop? If it’s lollipop, I wouldn’t even bother. But I have a
Chris Reeder Trials uni, and it has split block. My experience with those
types of frame is that sometimes the bearing holders come out a little
crooked (from the factory). Also they may fit the bearing too loose or too
tight. These frames are fairly stiff, though adding length may add a
little flex. No provision for brakes, tire clearance minimal before
customizing. No place to put a foot, though my Chris Reeder frame has a
nut simply welded to the side of the crown on each side for one-footing,
and it works great. Overall, probably the cheapest of the group.

HUNTER: These frames fit the 3.0" tires just fine, and are made from
narrow tubing so they don’t bang your legs. I don’t think the standard
Hunter frame fits the 26 x 3" though. The frame is still fairly light, but
my guess is that it contains more metal and may weigh slightly more than
the United. This is weight I would gladly pay extra for. split block
bearing holders; no experience with them on this frame. Stiff frame. No
brake mounts. No place to put a foot. Overall: this is the frame that
inspired both the Telford and the DM Vortex, and unlike all the others, is
built by a guy who is well known for quality bike frames.

WILDER: I have not seen this one yet, though I have seen and ridden the
aluminum unicycle Scott Bridgeman brought to MUni Weekend last fall.
Though it looked heavy and clunky in pictures, it turned out to be very
light, very stiff, and very impressive. I assume these qualities will be
the same, and probably improved upon in the Wilder frame. This frame may
be lighter than all the steel ones. I can’t wait to try one out!

TELFORD: This is the most meticulously crafted MUni frame. Geoffrey
Faraghan is so meticulous, in fact, that the waiting time for a Telford is
still unknown. This alone speaks for the quality of the cycle. To me it is
also the most beautiful frame, with its curved lines and sloping seat
tube. Precisely machined split block bearing holders. Very stiff frame. No
provision for one footing, and if you want to walk the wheel, forget it
(maybe you can sit facing backward?). Probably weighs slightly more than
the Hunter; not enough to notice. Brakes have been mounted on Telfords,
but I don’t know the details.

DM (ATU): Simple steel construction. Built to be bomb-proof rather than
light, it still works fine for me. split block bearing holders work great
for me, but the double-bolt seat clamp has problems. Making the seat tight
enough has resulted in the bolts curving through the clamp, and I risk
breaking them if I want to change my seat height (this has already
happened once), so I don’t. Definitely a drawback for air travel. This
frame fits the 2.6 Gazz, but not 3.0. Square crown with small slope is
knurled for excellent foot grip. Unlike all the frames listed above, this
one comes chrome plated, which I prefer. Paint looks great, but always
gets scratched up in the car. Overall, the chrome and the one-foot
capability are two of the strongest points, not to mention that Kris Holm
rides one.

DM (VORTEX): The Vortex uses thinner-walled tubing to reduce width. It
uses the minimal amount of tubing (David Mariner came up with the same
design I did), and fits everything up to the 26 x 3" Gazz. It’s still
probably a little heavier than the others, though real strong. However the
only one I have played with was equipped with the 26 x 3, brakes, and
other stuff to make it real heavy so I can’t really compare it with the
others. Split block bearing holders. Rim brakes. No provision for
one-footing.

And let’s throw in a few others:

ROGER DAVIES CARBON: I have a MK 5 frame, which I love. Unfortunately it
doesn’t fit a 2.6" Gazz, and so my carbon MUni has been eclipsed by my DM
ATU. This keeps it from getting dirty though… :slight_smile: The carbon frame is
still the highest-tech material currently out there in a unicycle frame,
and of course it’s way lighter than all the others. Construction is from
three pieces of carbon fiber tubing, with an aluminum crown and (split
block) bearing holders. As a penalty for lightness, this frame does flex.
But this flex is only side to side, so it doesn’t affect the ride unless
you’re in really technical terrain. I have a suspension post and miyata
seat on there, so it flexes up there as well and is like riding a light
and springy, but strong unicycle. No provision for brakes, but the flat
crown allows easy one-footing. Overall, I love the exotic quality of the
carbon, and I know I have a MUni that is as light as I can get without
using wimpy parts.

PASHLEY: All the unicycles above are expensive! If you can’t afford them,
the Pashley is the next best thing. A simple steel frame, I’ve never heard
of frame problems, even from Brett Bymaster or Dan Heaton. The only MUni
that comes with water bottle bosses (front and rear)! This frame uses a
lollipop bearing, but not the same one as the cheap Taiwan and Chinese
unicycles. On the Pashley, the attachment bolts go all the way through the
fork so there is less stress on it, but it still places too much stress
where the bolts come out. Brett Bymaster has flat/round washers (made by
Tom Miller) to interface between the bolts and frame. No provision for
brakes or one-footing. Weight is probably medium for this group. Does not
fit the 2.6 Gazz with sufficient clearance to be usable.

SEMCYCLE DELUXE: This frame, based on the Schwinn/Loyd design, is the only
one here not designed for MUni. Its great strengths are its simplicity,
and its ability to fit most any tire width. The two steel blades are
probably heavier than most of the frames above, and flex more than any of
the others. Like the carbon though, this flex is only side to side. You
can’t run a tire that doesn’t have good clearance because the flex will
get into the tire. But the frame will open up to fit any width at the hub,
and if necessary you can add spacers at the seat post to make it wider at
the crown. This is a great frame for a 20" Trials uni as it’s lighter than
a Schwinn and easier than having a wide frame custom made. Bearings are
held very solidly in place. Harder to take apart than the main cap types,
but this design uses less materials than all the others around the
bearings. No provision for brakes or one footing.

DISCLAIMER: This is all off the top of my head. It’s as accurate as I can
dredge up from memory, but not guaranteed. Hopefully it provides the
information you need to compare from one to the other, but heed the
message below:

Frame alone does not a good unicycle make. Only coupled with good quality
parts will the frames above turn into the best possible unicycles. Bad
components on a good frame will just be a bad unicycle. For me, frames
have never been the crucial part. It’s important that they fit the tire
though, and can accommodate brakes if you want to use them. One-foot
riding and wheel walking to me are not important requirements for a MUni,
but most people don’t have as many other unicycles as I do. I have only
had a frame fail on me once, and that was from practicing a trick that
basically amounted to severe frame abuse. Remember the parts that usually
break on unicycles are axles, crank arms, and spokes/wheels, so make sure
those are up to the task as well.

Stay on top, John Foss, the Uni-Cyclone jfoss@unicycling.com
www.unicycling.com

“He who dies with the most toys is dead.”

“John Foss” <john_foss@asinet.com> wrote in message
news:52CD02C3DAD2D411A3170002A528514206B50E@SERVER… On
> the Pashley, the attachment bolts go all the way through the fork so
> there is less stress on it, but it still places too much stress where
> the bolts come out. Brett Bymaster has flat/round washers (made by Tom
> Miller) to interface between the bolts and frame.

I just ordered a Pashley MUni, and I’m wondering where I can get some
washers like that. How can I get in touch with Tom Miller?

Thanks.

Ben Plotkin-Swing