muni & emergency calls

General
1

Hey I was wondering what would be a good solution to get emergency help in
case of injury, deep in the woods. I was muniing at a local mountain bike
center this week end, in the Quebec back country, and happened to see only
one other rider in the whole day.

My cell phone does not work deep in the mountain. So maybe a GPS (I don’t
know if they have some kind of emergency call or something) would be
interesting.

I do know some really wild parks offer a beacon service (like if
you’re not back at night at the ranger house, they will track you with
the beacon).

After some tough riding, alone & far away, I’m thinking more and
more about getting hurt and what to do except praying for another
rider to come by.

Oli-

opaugamATaptilonDOTcom !

2

What about a satelite phone?

Tony

“Olivier Paugam” <opaugam@aptilon.com> wrote in message
news:FD35DC6A97CB2A4DBEBA1152E54452330A5819@EXCHANGE.aptilon.com…
> Hey I was wondering what would be a good solution to get emergency help
> in case of injury, deep in the woods. I was muniing at a local mountain
> bike center this week end, in the Quebec back country, and happened to
> see only one other rider in the whole day.
>
> My cell phone does not work deep in the mountain. So maybe a GPS (I
> don’t know if they have some kind of emergency call or something) would
> be interesting.
>
> I do know some really wild parks offer a beacon service (like if you’re
> not back at night at the ranger house, they will track you with the
> beacon).
>
> After some tough riding, alone & far away, I’m thinking more and more
> about getting hurt and what to do except praying for another rider to
> come by.
>
> Oli-
>
> opaugamATaptilonDOTcom !

3

Go with the latest interactive voice-recognitising bio-organic neural
networking fully interactive solution.

Go with another human being.

Double your fun. Get people interested.

Ok so failing that a cheap low-tech solution like a personal alarm or
emergency whistle…

Sorry for being totally useless.

xADF

4

As a Boy Scout leader I think about these things all the time, and I do
have some low tech recommendations.

First - make sure someone knows approximately where you are going and when
you expect to return. That way someone will eventually come looking for
you in the event that you don’t turn up.

Second - try to ride with someone. This increases the chances of having
someone on hand to provide assistance, or go for help in an emergency. I
know this isn’t always practical. I usually ride alone, but if given the
choice I would rather ride with someone else.

Third - bring some simple survival tolls along. You probably bring
something to carry water and a few tools: camel back (which usually has at
least a small pocket for tools, snacks, etc., or a fanny pack, backpack,
jacket with pockets, etc. Put a few emergency items in one of the pockets
and leave them there: Always carry a whistle to call for help is you are
injured and can’t move, or just lost. Blow the whistle in a series of
three short blasts (a universal signal for someone in trouble). The sound
of a whistle will carry a long way, and you will be able to make noise
with a whistle long after your voice will have given out from yelling for
help. Even if someone doesn’t pass right by you they may hear the sound
and investigate.

You should also carry a large plastic trash bag. If you are injured and
may be stranded outside for a while the bag can be used as an emergency
shelter from rain or cold. You may not be warm, but it may just be enough
to fend off hypothermia.

Neither of these items are very large, heavy, expensive, or take up much
space. The odds that you will ever use them are fairly long, but you never
know when a unforeseen set of circumstances could create a scenario where
they may save your live.

All the best,

John Hooten

Olivier Paugam wrote:

> Hey I was wondering what would be a good solution to get emergency help
> in case of injury, deep in the woods. I was muniing at a local mountain
> bike center this week end, in the Quebec back country, and happened to
> see only one other rider in the whole day.
>
> My cell phone does not work deep in the mountain. So maybe a GPS (I
> don’t know if they have some kind of emergency call or something) would
> be interesting.
>
> I do know some really wild parks offer a beacon service (like if you’re
> not back at night at the ranger house, they will track you with the
> beacon).
>
> After some tough riding, alone & far away, I’m thinking more and more
> about getting hurt and what to do except praying for another rider to
> come by.
>
> Oli-
>
> opaugamATaptilonDOTcom !

5

This has been a concern that Brett Bymaster has had, when he went on long
rides in remote areas alone. Sometimes you just can’t get anyone to go
with you (especially if you want to ride 40 miles like Brett).

So Brett started carrying a phone, but he was aware that the deep canyons
often offered the worst (or no) reception.

My wife’s and her company use two-way pagers. They probably would have the
same reception problems as a phone out in the mountains though. But if you
have service, they can be used to send email to anyone with email, or
regular pages to any regular pager. You could send a coded numerical
message to a friend with a pager, as long as they already know the code.

Job one in staying safe when in remote areas is to plan ahead. Make sure
somebody knows where you’re going, and when you plan to be back. Always.
Then perhaps be a little more conservative in your riding when out there
alone. Better to walk out than to have to hop out.

In the event Brett would get stuck outside for extended periods, he had a
few emergency items in his pack, including a bit of food, I think a small
first aid kit, and one of those foil blankets like you get after running a
marathon. This was for if he got stuck in bad weather or overnight.

Ride safe, and Stay on top, John Foss, the Uni-Cyclone
jfoss@unicycling.com www.unicycling.com

No matter what happens in life, somebody will find a way to take it
too seriously

6

That was VERY useful information. Thanks for sharing that.

“John Hooten” <jhooten@rcsis.com> wrote in message
news:3B81822E.2ACBF451@rcsis.com…
> As a Boy Scout leader I think about these things all the time, and I do
> have some low tech recommendations.
>
> First - make sure someone knows approximately where you are going and
> when you expect to return. That way someone will eventually come looking
> for you in the event that you don’t turn up.
>
> Second - try to ride with someone. This increases the chances of having
> someone on hand to provide assistance, or go for help in an emergency. I
> know this isn’t always practical. I usually ride alone, but if given the
> choice I would rather ride with someone else.
>
> Third - bring some simple survival tolls along. You probably bring
> something to carry water and a few tools: camel back (which usually has
> at least a small pocket for tools, snacks, etc., or a fanny pack,
> backpack, jacket with pockets, etc. Put a few emergency items in one of
> the pockets and leave them there: Always carry a whistle to call for
> help is you are injured and can’t move, or just lost. Blow the whistle
> in a series of three short blasts (a universal signal for someone in
> trouble). The sound of a whistle will carry a long way, and you will be
> able to make noise with a whistle long after your voice will have given
> out from yelling for help. Even if someone doesn’t pass right by you
> they may hear the sound and investigate.
>
> You should also carry a large plastic trash bag. If you are injured and
> may be stranded outside for a while the bag can be used as an emergency
> shelter from rain or cold. You may not be warm, but it may just be
> enough to fend off hypothermia.
>
> Neither of these items are very large, heavy, expensive, or take up much
> space. The odds that you will ever use them are fairly long, but you
> never know when a unforeseen set of circumstances could create a
> scenario where they may save your live.
>
> All the best,
>
> John Hooten
>
> Olivier Paugam wrote:
>
> > Hey I was wondering what would be a good solution to get emergency
> > help in case of injury, deep in the woods. I was muniing at a local
> > mountain bike center this week end, in the Quebec back country, and
> > happened to see only one other rider in the whole day.
> >
> > My cell phone does not work deep in the mountain. So maybe a GPS (I
> > don’t know if they have some kind of emergency call or something)
> > would be interesting.
> >
> > I do know some really wild parks offer a beacon service (like if
> > you’re not back at night at the ranger house, they will track you with
> > the beacon).
> >
> > After some tough riding, alone & far away, I’m thinking more and more
> > about getting hurt and what to do except praying for another rider to
> > come by.
> >
> > Oli-
> >
> > opaugamATaptilonDOTcom !

7

Thanks John !

Actually I always carry a minimal set of tools such as an emergency
blanket, a good knife and some water decontamination pills. Good point
for the plastic bag, I’ll get one next time.

Getting lost in the woods & having to spend the night there scares me
less than getting injured.

I’m wondering, among the newsgroup riders, if there was any bad injuries
during muni rides ? I know it will happen to me - I’ve been lucky so
far. Maybe I should get a wilderness first aid course.

Thanks !

Oli-

-----Original Message----- From: John Hooten [mailto:jhooten@rcsis.com]
Sent: Monday, August 20, 2001 5:34 PM To: unicycling@winternet.com
Subject: Re: muni & emergency calls

As a Boy Scout leader I think about these things all the time, and I do
have some low tech recommendations.

First - make sure someone knows approximately where you are going and when
you expect to return. That way someone will eventually come looking for
you in the event that you don’t turn up.

Second - try to ride with someone. This increases the chances of having
someone on hand to provide assistance, or go for help in an emergency. I
know this isn’t always practical. I usually ride alone, but if given the
choice I would rather ride with someone else.

Third - bring some simple survival tolls along. You probably bring
something to carry water and a few tools: camel back (which usually has at
least a small pocket for tools, snacks, etc., or a fanny pack, backpack,
jacket with pockets, etc. Put a few emergency items in one of the pockets
and leave them there: Always carry a whistle to call for help is you are
injured and can’t move, or just lost. Blow the whistle in a series of
three short blasts (a universal signal for someone in trouble). The sound
of a whistle will carry a long way, and you will be able to make noise
with a whistle long after your voice will have given out from yelling for
help. Even if someone doesn’t pass right by you they may hear the sound
and investigate.

You should also carry a large plastic trash bag. If you are injured and
may be stranded outside for a while the bag can be used as an emergency
shelter from rain or cold. You may not be warm, but it may just be enough
to fend off hypothermia.

Neither of these items are very large, heavy, expensive, or take up much
space. The odds that you will ever use them are fairly long, but you never
know when a unforeseen set of circumstances could create a scenario where
they may save your live.

All the best,

John Hooten

Olivier Paugam wrote:

> Hey I was wondering what would be a good solution to get emergency
help
> in case of injury, deep in the woods. I was muniing at a local mountain
> bike center this week end, in the Quebec back country, and happened to
> see only one other rider in the whole day.
>
> My cell phone does not work deep in the mountain. So maybe a GPS (I
> don’t know if they have some kind of emergency call or something) would
> be interesting.
>
> I do know some really wild parks offer a beacon service (like if
you’re
> not back at night at the ranger house, they will track you with the
> beacon).
>
> After some tough riding, alone & far away, I’m thinking more and more
> about getting hurt and what to do except praying for another rider to
> come by.
>
> Oli-
>
> opaugamATaptilonDOTcom !

8

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> Actually I always carry a minimal set of tools such as an emergency
> blanket, a good knife and some water decontamination pills.

That reminds me, Brett has also carried a water filtering kit. Since he
goes on long rides and CA is hot, it makes sense to “make” water instead
of trying to carry enough for a day or more of strenuous riding.

> I’m wondering, among the newsgroup riders, if there was any bad injuries
> during muni rides?

  1. Back to Brett again (his MUni nickname is Bloodman). There is a famous
    story from the 1998 National Unicycle Convention in Southern California
    where Brett almost fell off a cliff. I wasn’t there, but the story goes
    that he went off the side of the trail, over something very steep and
    very high. But he landed straddling a tree branch. If that branch
    hadn’t been there, it would have been a lot more messy.

  2. Also at NUC '98, a group of us rode down Mt. Wilson, a downhill ride on
    fire road of about 4000 feet. Down is generally easy, but the weather
    was against us. Unfortunately we were in the middle of a heat wave with
    record temperatures. In LA. It was nice and cool when we started, at
    the top of the mountain and in the morning, but as the temperature
    climbed and we descended into the LA smog, it became basically
    dangerous. A young Dan Heaton was with us, and we “made him” carry
    carry a drink because he had no water bottle. So he bought a bottle of
    green “drink” of some kind, which he carried in his hand as he rode
    ahead of us most of the way. Dan didn’t have any problems.

But Beirne Konarski, the guy who built unicycling.org, was not used to the
altitude, the temperature, or the smog. He’s from Ohio. Though he
completed the ride, he collapsed after we got to the bottom and he
couldn’t breathe. He was actually breathing louder than I’ve ever heard
anybody breathe before, but it was heat exhaustion. We were scolded by the
guys from the fire truck and ambulance that responded. They were used to
coming to that spot and dealing with people like us (not counting the
unicycles). Beirne was okay a few hours later, after being loaded with
fluids and allowed to cool down in the hospital. A close call.

  1. At MUni Weekend last year, Jack Hughes broke his ankle when he
    dismounted in a rocky area and stepped in a bad spot. As the host of
    that convention, I will mention that Jack was not riding on or near any
    of the planned trails. In fact he was with a group doing trials riding
    miles away from Northstar where the rest of us were that day. But the
    fact is, an injury of this type could happen anyplace that you ride
    where there are rocks, or roots, or other things to catch your foot.

Unfortunately the trials group had only just arrived at this nice rocky
location near the Donner Summit. Geoff Faraghan was videotaping Jack
riding on the big rocks. After he dismounted the unicycle and fell down,
he immediately shouted “I think I broke my ankle!” A good diagnosis, as
the next shot on the video is in the hospital emergency room. Jack’s ankle
has recovered, but he’s still at the mercy of gravity as we saw at NUC.
Careful Jack!

  1. One time I went riding on the Salmon Falls trail near Folsom. I saw a
    helicopter take off from the middle of nowhere out along the trail, and
    then I came across a group of firemen who were walking out. What
    happened? A guy on a mountain bike had lost control going down a
    (small) hill and crashed into a tree. Is he going to be okay? We don’t
    know. He hit hard enough to shatter his helmet.

Sure enough, I came to the bottom of that hill, which is probably a 30’
drop, not very steep, but with bumpy roots and rocks on the way down. A
bike going slightly off course could run straight into a big tree at the
bottom, and this one did. There were big pieces of helmet all around the
base of the tree. The fact that the guy was airlifted out speaks to the
severity of his injuries. This was a bike accident, but I threw it in to
remind us all how dangerous those coasting things, that are hard to
dismount, are.

Anytime you talk about injuries, you should talk about prevention. Or at
least about lessons learned. People are having accidents every day, or
otherwise making stupid mistakes that the rest of us can learn from, if we
think about it. Some of the lessons are obvious ones, and others may take
a little more thought. Let’s see:

  1. For accident #1 I don’t know what to say. I wasn’t there, but I have
    seen Brett lose his unicycle over the side of the trail many times. You
    usually can’t ride further from the edge because the trail doesn’t
    offer a choice. You could ride slower, maybe. That particular accident
    might suggest you should wear a cup? But not for unicycling :slight_smile: Last
    thing I can think of, when riding along the edge of a big drop, be less
    worried about catching the unicycle than catching yourself. Brett is
    already good at this.

  2. This is more basic stuff. We all made a mistake that day by doing the
    ride in the first place. The temperature was well over 100F before we
    were done, and the lower part of that trail has almost no shade.
    Fortunately everyone on the ride had at least been to a MUni Weekend
    before. But being unaccustomed to the environment, and the heat, and
    the altitude, is a lot to cope with. Those of us with more experience
    should have paid more attention to our fellow riders to make sure they
    weren’t out of water (Beirne’s lasted most of the way, then we shared),
    and that they were doing okay. A telltale sign that Beirne was wearing
    out was when he forgot his helmet at a rest stop, and one of us went
    back up to get it.

  3. This was trials riding, on unfamiliar territory. When riding on rocks
    there is a certain amount of potential for accident that you have to
    live with. So put on the armor! Active Ankles would have made the
    difference in this case. Several MUni experts, including Kris Holm,
    wear them when they’re doing extreme riding. It’s like an ankle brace,
    a hinged attachment that goes inside your shoe and keeps your foot from
    bending to the sides. Also, for any riding of this nature you should at
    least be wearing a helmet, wrist guards or gloves, and kneepads. Then
    shin and back protection should probably be the next items. Not to
    mention a shirt, which a lot of guys were not wearing in the trials
    area at NUC.

  4. Wear a helmet! And don’t ride a bike. Those things are dangerous! If
    that guy had been on a unicycle, losing control on the same hill, he
    would have fallen off the unicycle way before he got to the tree.

> I know it will happen to me - I’ve been lucky so far.

Luck runs out. Make sure you plan ahead!

Stay on top, John Foss, the Uni-Cyclone jfoss@unicycling.com
www.unicycling.com

No matter what happens in life, somebody will find a way to take it
too seriously

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The chloride solution kit is even better : it’s safer (at least for the
bacterias in the northen woods) and sooo light (2 little bottles). I’m not
carrying more than 3/4 litter in my camelback and can make more supplies
on the road (way lighter for long rides).

Oli-

-----Original Message----- From: John Foss [mailto:john_foss@asinet.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 1:38 PM To: Olivier Paugam; ‘John Hooten’;
‘unicycling@winternet.com’ Subject: RE: muni & emergency calls [injuries]

> Actually I always carry a minimal set of tools such as an emergency
> blanket, a good knife and some water decontamination pills.

That reminds me, Brett has also carried a water filtering kit. Since he
goes on long rides and CA is hot, it makes sense to “make” water instead
of trying to carry enough for a day or more of strenuous riding.

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On 21 Aug 2001 10:39:33 -0700, john_foss@asinet.com (John Foss) wrote:

>on long rides and CA is hot, it makes sense to “make” water instead of
>trying to carry enough for a day or more of strenuous riding.
Make water huh? Reminds me of an idea I had some time ago along the lines
of instant soup or instant coffee etc. I considered applying for a patent
on 1 April but decided not to. So here it is but with the ©.

NEW! Instant Water©. Just add water.

(Of course the genuine stuff is made by evaporating the water out of
water. Frauds would just sell empty bags though.)

Klaas Bil

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