miyata seat color religion?

Chalk this up to my being a newbie uni-er I guess…
[purchased thanksgivingish, just started buckling down when the weather got hot here a month or so ago]

[progress-wise, I can static-free-mount (the first thing I learned), I can ride around the block or further no problem (usually), I can act-react turn decently, and lean turn without falling over, heh. I just started thinking about idling.]

I’ve recently been downloading all the videos online I can find re: unicycling, and checking out image galleries and whatnot. It seems that 99% of the miyata seats I see, whether stock or upgrades, are the [mint] green.

Having always been a little partial to red myself, I’m just forced to wonder is there some unwritten code involved here? Will I be branding myself among fellow unicylers as some sort of freak if I give in to my natural color preference and upgrade using a red seat?

This .is. rather tongue-in-cheek, but I am honestly curious about the [perhaps artificial] perceived deluge of green miyata seats.

oh…
p.s. I guess. Mine is a savage, stock seat, semi-impulse ebay purchase. I’ve been mildly interested in the idea of unicycling since an early age… surely that weighs as much as a shorter-lived but more passionate desire, right?

In This, His Inaugural Unicyclist.com/r.s.uni Posting,
John M

Green reminds us of the money we had before we relized we HAD to have 5 unicycles… uh… six… ok, let’s see- I know I’m going to need a 29" trail racer… hum, and a Montey… 7… and an improved 36" when the new rim’s come in… 8 … and really really solid indoor skills cycle is a must… 9…

Christopher

Green used to be the only color that could be bought in most of the world for a while. Now they are still the standard color of seats on a new miyata unicycle, but blue and red seats can be had, sometimes.

Re: miyata seat color religion?

I have, or rather had, a blue Miyata. Sadly only the rear bumper and some of
the internal foam remains as I did an air-seat conversion, replaced the
cover with
a nice leather one, put on a carbon-fibre seat base and fitted one of George
Barnes’
unicycle handles to the front. My Miyata is now very comfortable ;-).

One word of warning if you get a Miyata: the dome-topped nuts split easily
when tightened, leaving a nasty sharp edge which can seriously slice your
fingers if you grab the seat at the back when you dismount.

Arnold the Aardvark

Re: miyata seat color religion?

I have, or rather had, a blue Miyata. Sadly only the rear bumper and some of
the internal foam remains as I did an air-seat conversion, replaced the
cover with
a nice leather one, put on a carbon-fibre seat base and fitted one of George
Barnes’
unicycle handles to the front. My Miyata is now very comfortable ;-).

One word of warning if you get a Miyata: the dome-topped nuts split easily
when tightened, leaving a nasty sharp edge which can seriously slice your
fingers if you grab the seat at the back when you dismount.

Arnold the Aardvark

Re: miyata seat color religion?

I have, or rather had, a blue Miyata. Sadly only the rear bumper and some of
the internal foam remains as I did an air-seat conversion, replaced the
cover with
a nice leather one, put on a carbon-fibre seat base and fitted one of George
Barnes’
unicycle handles to the front. My Miyata is now very comfortable ;-).

One word of warning if you get a Miyata: the dome-topped nuts split easily
when tightened, leaving a nasty sharp edge which can seriously slice your
fingers if you grab the seat at the back when you dismount.

Arnold the Aardvark

RE: miyata seat color religion?

> Having always been a little partial to red myself, I’m just forced to
> wonder is there some unwritten code involved here? Will I be branding
> myself among fellow unicylers as some sort of freak if I give in to my
> natural color preference and upgrade using a red seat?

It is always interesting to be reminded of how our activities are perceived
by outside observers. Look at all those green seats. We must love them!

But as has already been accurately explained, wanting a red seat has very
rarely gotten you one over the years. When seats were available they were
mostly green.

> p.s. I guess. Mine is a savage, stock seat, semi-impulse ebay
> purchase.

Oh no! Compared to one of those seats (if it’s the kind with metal bumpers),
a baby-poop yellow/brown Miyata seat would still be an improvement. In my
personal opinion, a Miyata seat of any color is still better than any other
commercially available unicycle seat. Preferably with air. Too bad we have
to beg and plead a company way over in Japan to get them. Hopefully this
will soon change.

Here’s a little more on the Miyata story:

When Miyata unicycles first came to the US (1980 or so), they all had black
seats. These were followed by blue seats, on blue unicycles. The 16" models
were still yellow, and came with black seats. At some point, we stopped
seeing/being able to get 16 inchers. All seats were blue, for 20" or 24"
standard or deluxe models. We knew there were other colors, because we saw
them in the JUA (Japan Unicycling Association) Newsletter. But they weren’t
available for export to the US.

During the 80’s it became clear that unicycles were not a high priority to
Miyata USA, the US importer. They would generally order one container of
unicycles per year and that was it, regardless of when they ran out. So it
was not uncommon for people to wait 6 months or even more for the next batch
of Miyatas. Seats were even harder to get, because they were an afterthought
in those once-a-year shipments. Meanwhile, Miyata was sending probably
hundreds of container-loads of bicycles over here. I guess they knew what
was paying the bills…

In 1987 some of us went to Japan for UNICON III, and brought back handfuls
of red Miyata seats. This was the only way to get them at the time. Tom
Miller managed to get some from time to time as well, though I’m not sure
where those came from.

1992 is the first time I recall seeing a (sea) green Miyata, being ridden by
one member of the 72-rider Japanese team at UNICON VI. At that time, I
thought it was pretty cool. Because it was rare.

Then in 1993 Miyata stopped selling bikes in the US. Miyata USA was
essentially closed down, though they had to remain open to provide parts for
bikes that were under warranty. Somehow someone convinced them to keep
bringing over the unicycles as well.

Back in the 80s, somebody at Miyata USA was dimly aware that Miyata was the
brand used by most of the unicycling world champions. They didn’t act like
they ever cared, but they did use the phrase “the choice of champions” in
one or more of their US catalogs.

In recent years we have gotten green unicycles sent our way, I think,
because they are the slowest sellers in Japan. I wonder why. How to get rid
of that extra green inventory? Send it to America where they’re so desperate
for Miyatas they’ll accept any color. Lovely.

But most recently, Unicycle.com has received a gigantic shipment of red,
blue, and green Miyata seats, which will hopefully last at least a year
(until another shipment can follow). Apparently they did order an equal
amount of each color, so eventually I imagine we will be, at least
temporarily, back to a choice of green or nothing… :slight_smile:

Stay on top,
John Foss, the Uni-Cyclone
jfoss@unicycling.com

“We were discussing Big Mac Meals. I think that has little if anything to do
with cow parts. There are probably more UNICYCLE parts in a Big Mac than cow
parts.” - Greg Harper on cuisine

Re: Re: miyata seat color religion?

Yes, the stock Miyata acorn nuts are rather shallow. If you tighten them down too much you can cause the acorn nut to split at the top. This is especially true if you switch to a carbon fiber seat base because the carbon fiber base is thinner than the stock Miyata base.

I put a few extra washers under the acorn bolts to take up the slack. That will keep them from splitting. Another option is to get 6mm (metric) acorn bolts from the hardware store. Standard acorn bolts are deeper (have more threads in them) so they won’t split when tightened down.

The 6mm carriage bolts (the flat round bolts with the square shoulder) are impossible to buy at a hardware store. Even specialty fastener stores do not have 6mm carriage bolts. All they have are the standard English thread sizes. If you strip one of the stock Miyata carriage bolts you cannot get a replacement of the same size. If you don’t want to buy a new Miyata seat just to get the bolts, the only alternative is to use 1/4" carriage bolts. 1/4" carriage bolts are slightly larger so it will be necessary to enlarge the square hole in the seat with a file.

john_childs

I’ve got a spare green Miyata seat, and my Red carbon fibre/air Miyata seat that I ride on. I’ll let you check out and ride on both of them when we have our meet for uni.5. Hell you can even borrow the green Miyata until you decide you want to go the same route as I with the red one. Hit me up on AIM and we can work out a date for you to come get the seat or vice-versa.

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I went to Canadian tire and purchased what look like threaded washers with 4 spikes pointing up and 1/4" screws. The center of the washer is 5/16" long and accepts the 1/4" screws. I used these washers instead of the carriage bolts and they work great.
I apologize for my poor description. I think they are the same washer type contraptions used when making Ultimate Wheels.

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Sounds like you used a teenut. A google image search on “teenut” will bring up a couple of pics of what a teenut looks like.
<http://images.google.com/images?q=teenut&hl=en&sa=N&tab=wi>

I’m having a difficult time picturing how to use a teenut in a Miyata seat without having the sharp points stick out where they could catch your fingers. But I guess it could be done.

I’m using 1/4" carriage bolts in two of my carbon fiber seats. Works fine. The only real problem with the 1/4" carriage bolts is that the dome on the head is higher than the head on the stock 6mm Miyata carriage bolts. If you have sensitive undersides you might be able to notice them through the padding (think princess and the pea). For me with a plush airseat and foam combo on the seat I don’t notice.

john_childs

Golf has the green jacket, we have the green Miyata.

Teenut it is, thank you very much. The points go into the seat from the bottom. The bolt is threaded through the top of the seat bringing the teenut into the seat.