Yes, along with the Bush administrations errors around the presence of WMDs in Iraq, the Iraq Al-Qaeda connection, the number of troops needed to execute the war, Michael Moore erred grievously in his film Fahrenheit 9/11. In it he cites the story Bush was reading to the 2nd grade class as being called My Pet Goat. In fact, it was called The Pet Goat. Read the expose in this week’s New Yorker.
Cheers,
Raphael Lasar
Matawan, NJ
Great Movie
What a excellent movie though, huh? I think everyone in America should be required to watch it before they vote. Fuck Bush, Go Kerry!!
I… I just don’t know what to believe any more…
Phil
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Yes, but if we’re required to see it, would we be eligible for overtime pay? 
Raphael Lasar
Matawan, NJ
I wish Michael Moore would get a hobby. Maybe unicycling. But I really believe that everybody should stop watching his movies and spend the time researching it himself.
sounds like there was an intelligence breakdown…
rolling on floor laughing
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I think it would be more educational if everyone was required to read Kerry’s voting record and his past positions on every political issue he has stated an opinion on. 
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John,
I am not particularly a Kerry fan, but I plan on voting for him. He’s what the Democratic party has come up with and I don’t plan on voting for Nader this time.
But it would be interesting to have this discussion. Why don’t you start us off by picking an issue and summarizing Kerry’s position and voting record and your thoughts?
Raphael Lasar
Matawan, NJ
its all greek to me. i dont understand government at all, and i understand politics a little bit. and i dont even read the newspaper. so if the usa blew up off of the earth i would have no idea
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Raphael got threadjacked, but I don’t think he minds. In NY, I can afford to vote Nader without hurting Kerry, but I don’t know about NJ. Still, I think I’ll hold my nose and pull the lever for Kerry.
His voting record shows he’s a politician, and that’s not good. Unfortunately, that’s all we get in this country anymore.
Billy
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This seems like a dangerous opinion to have. “The Democrats picked this guy so I’ll vote for him.”
Vote for the best candidate, or at least, vote for the least bad candidate. What happened to the days of good presidents who didn’t cause huge scandals?
yes, vote for the least bad candidate - that actually has a chance of winning! I think Nader would make a great president, but voting for him is only going to take away votes from the second least bad candidate that HAS a chance of winning.
Also, anybody else getting annoyed by Nader accepting all the money and support from republicans in three KEY “flip-flop” states?(Oregon, Wisconsin, Florida) Doesnt nader find it a little strange that the same right-wing Republicans that are anti-choice and anti-environment are suddenly pro-Nader? I mean, he’s not stupid. He knows that their only objective is to strip away votes from kerry.
Is Nader Pro-Bush??? Or does he actually think he has a chance of winning? Someone help me understand this guy!
Cricket… cricket…
Okay, so maybe nobody understands Nader. But I got to thinkin maybe he’s taking these grants from the republicans, and is going to use that money to build some momentum for his cause, then drop out before the election and turn those votes over to Kerry. I doubt this is the case, but I think that be the only right thing to do in this situation. If that is not the plan, then what really are his motives? Is he sincerely trying to give Bush another term?
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Such days never really existed, Paco.
http://www.thecongress.com/presiden.htm
Raphael Lasar
Matawan, NJ
Paco,
You might say you long for the days when the press didn’t cover such stuff of scandals, since the people always misbehaved. There aren’t many like Ralph Nader, whose conduct is beyond reproach.
Billy
Nader’s conduct may be beyond approach, but he’s stupid if he’s going to stay in this (probably close) race and cost the Democrats another victory. The Republicans are all about what he’s against, and by running, he could give the Republicans another term in office. This isn’t partisan ideology, this is just common sense. He has no chance of winning; if he wants any of his objectives to get through (which are closer to the Democrat views than the republican views), he should just drop out.
Of course, maybe he’s using his position as leverage. He could go to the Democratic candidate and tell him, “if you want to win this election, you’re going to have to make a deal with me,” and push some of his goals.
I’m too lazy to research Kerry’s voting record.
It takes too much time to research stuff like that.
I did find a slightly interesting site that summarizes and categorizes the voting records for the President, Senators, and Congressmen. Here is a summary of John Kerry’s voting record. But I don’t really like the way they’ve summarized things. They’ve got a little graph at the bottom showing where they put him on the Liberal/Conservative/Populist/Libertarian scale. But that looks a little fishy too. John Kerry rates a little more Liberal on the issues2002.org version of the site and I don’t know what’s up with that??? Is the leopard changing his spots now that he’s running for President? Looks suspicious. That’s one reason why it’s so hard to summarize voting records into clean little bite sized pieces.
After looking at the summary of his record I can safely say that the way he votes and the way I would vote does not match up very well.
It would be nice to find a site that does a better job of summarizing the voting records of the candidates. Kerry’s voting record is going to be an issue in the campaign and it would be nice to be a little more informed about his record.
Politics is not the art of the possible.
It consists in choosing between the disastrous and the unpalatable.
– John Kenneth Galbraith