Mc Cain off the net ?

One of the stranger things about Mc Cain is the story that he never uses the internet himself. :thinking:

If this is true, does he just watch tv and read newspapers, like I did 10 years ago ? Does he prefer some other way of learning what’s going on ?

I am sure that this will be a comforting notion to the millions of 70’s and older voters in my state, but it seems odd to imagine myself, just not caring to look. :thinking:

I mean, seriously, a guy who is running on the ticket in 2008 who is not curious enough about the internet to try it for himself. :thinking:

Yet he is imaginative and curious enough himself to be “the decider” about what the USA should do for the next 4 years ? :thinking:

He’s just not that curious to see what he might learn on the internet ? :thinking:

It’s not that I am so sure that the internet is actually populated by that many geniuses, such as you and I :wink: , but why is Mc Cain so incurious as to not at least pretend to seek our counsel. :thinking:

As a bare minimum, prez candidates are supposed to be good at faking respect for knowledge beyond their present grasp.

Mc Cains’s lack of curiosity of the internet is OK in a shuffle board league prez. But that’s not the office he’s running for.

You absolutely do not need to be plugged into the Internet to be in the know. You can be very on top of things without using the Internet. Newspapers and briefings and reports and professional news articles will keep you well informed, and in some ways better informed.

I see it as a complete non-issue if the President is not an Internet junkie. A President who has a Twitter account, monitors blogs, and gets news from the Internet would be a President who wastes his time.

The only time it becomes an issue is for policy and matters that affect Internet issues. For that an effective President would have advisors to inform him and keep him up to date. I would certainly hope that a President is never such a Ludite to not even have trusted advisors who are Internet savvy.

The Luddites were not against technology; they were against technology that destroyed jobs.

Of course McCain uses the internet. Everyone who spends part of his or her working life in an office uses internet and intranet sites without really thinking about it in the same way as a mechanic knows when to reach for a particular size of spanner. Inevitably, documents will reach him as email attachments, and he will need to log on to look at databases and reports and the like. I can’t believe he has never done a quick Google search, or used an on line directory, or an internet map.

But the internet as a source of factual information is unreliable and slow. If you don’t know exactly where to look for exactly what you want, you can waste a lot of time.

Anyone who aspires to high office needs three management skills:

  • Time management.
  • Delegation.
  • The ability to see the big picture.

(They need others too, such as people skills, but they’re not relevant to internet us.)

The internet encourages poor time management.

If he needs information, he can delegate people to find it.

The big picture means not focusing too much on the small details.

The ideal President has far better things to do than surf the internet, but that doesn’t mean he can’t use it when appropriate.

I am still totally stumped

Seriously, is it not insane to elect a president of the USA who is so incurious about the internet as to admit in public he has not tried it himself ? :thinking:

I am not claiming that you can find “better” news on the internet then Mc Cain is fed by his crew.

Why would we elect as president a 72 year old man with so little interest in modern society that he has no personal experiences with the internet ?

Or maybe it’s just his way of contrasting himself with his far younger rival: a nod and a wink to the older electorate, who are more likely to bother to vote.

so what? I had my first tv set at age 47! though working in high tech I am a known technophobe (no MP3 player, my daughter forced a cell phone into my hand though I use it rarely …)? I do not even know how to use Windows correctly (I was raised with UNIX milk!).
US presidential candidates are already forced to pretend they attend church :astonished: do you want to extend this to any church of technology?

Isn’t it more insane to elect a president who boasts 4 years of inexperience?

Is it insane for the most powerful man in the whole world, whose decisions will affect everyone from the UK to Iran to Russia and China to be chosen by popular vote of one of the least travelled populations in the developed world?

Least traveled? Interesting. Which candidate then, would be better suited - the one who has spent years of his life overseas, or the one who manages a couple weeks abroad for means of publicity?

It would be nice if the popular vote meant so much.

An interesting comparison, if only a historical one. Be sure to read the last sentence.

Overseas visits cancelled to save Bush’s blushes.
By Martin Kettle in Washington.
20 April 2000
The Guardian
(c) 2000

George W Bush is abandoning plans to make a series of image-boosting overseas trips later this year, including one to Britain, because his advisers fear that his tendency to make foreign-policy gaffes may turn them into a public relations embarrassment for his US presidential campaign.

Mr Bush was to have made up to three foreign trips in May and June to help burnish his image as a statesman and to get to know the world leaders with whom he will have to work if he wins the White House, including Tony Blair. But the trips to Europe and Asia have now been dropped from his schedule, and he is likely to make only one overseas journey between now and the November 7 election, to Latin America.

Officially, his campaign team says the European trip has not yet been formally abandoned, but his spokesman, Ari Fleischer, confirmed yesterday that it was now `most unlikely’, because of scheduling difficulties. Diplomatic sources on both sides of the Atlantic confirm that they no longer expect to see Mr Bush in Europe before the election.

At the heart of the decision to scale back Mr Bush’s planned international exposure is thought to be the belief, especially among some of his Texas-based advisers, that the trip could turn into an embarrassing media ordeal which could diminish Mr Bush’s credibility in the contest with his Democratic opponent, Vice-President Al Gore.

In the past, US presidential hopefuls have made something of a point of being photographed on the international stage at this point in the political calendar, in the belief that such contacts go down well with the voters back home as well as being a helpful investment for future understanding and cooperation.

Mr Bush’s predecessor as the Republican challenger, Bob Dole, made such a trip at the end of 1994, during which he met the then British prime minister, John Major, in Downing Street, and other leaders.

But, reflecting the changed priorities of modern campaigning, Mr Bush’s advisers have decided to play safe and remain in control of their man’s candidacy back home rather than risk things spinning out of control in the relatively unfamiliar environment of an overseas visit.

Instead of visiting Europe and Asia, Mr Bush is now expected to make only the visit to Latin America - probably to Mexico and other central American states - which he will use to try to strengthen his appeal among US Latino voters, a constituency which he has cultivated as governor of Texas,

Mr Bush will meet the Mexican president, Ernesto Zedillo, next week when the two men are scheduled to attend a border bridge opening ceremony in Laredo, Texas.

The advisers believe that Mr Bush would have been likely to face demonstrations in some European capitals on such issues as capital punishment, gun control and the environment, though such events would not necessarily be seen as a political disadvantage to him.

Their main anxiety was thought to be the risk that Mr Bush might be ambushed by the travelling US media, or even by their European counterparts, into committing another in the series of gaffes which plagued his early efforts to present himself as a qualified leader of the free world.

Mr Bush has still not fully lived down his failure to name a number of foreign leaders when a Boston television journalist surprised him last year with an on-camera `pop quiz’ about the leaders of India, Pakistan, Taiwan and Chechnya. Though Mr Bush has subse quently made generally well-received keynote speeches on defence and foreign affairs, he remains dogged by the view that, on these issues at least, he is lost without his cue cards.

Plans for Mr Bush to visit Europe had been under active discussion between his advisers and diplomats in several European capitals for several months.

The trip was thought likely to take place once Mr Bush had wrapped up his party’s presidential nomination - which he did in March - and before the Republican convention in Philadelphia in late July. Mr Bush himself confirmed to the Guardian in November that this was his intention.

Though no itinerary had been finalised, London was always near the top of the list of likely stops, and the prime minister issued a formal invitation to Mr Bush late last year.

Other stops discussed in the Bush camp included Belgium, where Mr Bush was to have met Nato and European Union officials; Germany, because of its importance; Spain, where the governor’s proficiency in Spanish could be exploited; Ireland, always a tempting stage for an American politician running for office; and Poland, where Mr Bush hoped to address post-cold-war east-west issues and make a pitch to the largely Catholic Polish-American vote.

In spite of his unusual personal and political closeness to President Clinton, Mr Blair has made several private moves in recent months to open channels of communication with Mr Bush. Even though a pre-election meeting between the two men will not now take place in Europe, an encounter in the US has not been ruled out.

Mr Gore, who is well known in many foreign capitals because of his eight years as vice-president, has no plans to make any campaign-related foreign visits before the election.

By least travelled he means that Americans in general hardly ever leave the United States which is a fact.

If you are talking about this years elections you are vastly ill-informed, both candidates have spent years abroad, although one candidates time abroad was spent mostly within the same small compound, I am not going to hold that against him though, even though Bush tried to hold it against him 8 years ago.

It’s hilarious the the things that the ill-informed right try to hold against left candidates.

Yes, Forrest you are the ill-informed right, I am not bagging on you for being on the right, just being ill-informed the only things you seem to know are the talking points which are 90% arbitrary and meaningless.

John McCain probably does use the internet he just has someone print out for him

Well done to ThisGuyIKnow for reading the whole thing and not just the two words.

I said is it right for the president to be “chosen by popular vote of one of the least travelled populations in the developed world?”

I’ve met some very educated and well travelled Americans. Lots of them. For example, we had Minnesota Morris Men over here recently, and they were great guys, with a real interest in seeing the world beyond America’s own shores.

But the fact remains that Americans are statistically less likely to leave their country and explore the world than, say, the English, Scots, French, Spanish, Australians, etc. It’s there in the figures for percentage of the population who don’t have a passport.

This is why so many of my friends have been to America and been told, “I could never go to London, it’s too near to Palestine,” or who have referred to “Scotland in England,” and so on.

So we have the ridiculous spectacle of a largely geographically, intellectually and culturally insular population debating which of their two candidates best understands “the rest of the world”.

An expat friend of mine living in London had an English friend who was going to be visiting Jamaica while she would be in New York, suggest that they meet up for a day in Florida.

I think that while it may be disconcerting that the “least traveled populations in the developed world” choose the president, any alternative that does not involve improving that population’s understanding of the world, would be even more disconcerting.

Or narcotics or homosexuality for that matter. And the newly elected president will perhaps make major decisions in these areas. I would hazard a guess that McCain has no personal experience with unicycling or tightrope walking either. But to stay on topic with respect to the acquisition of information, has this guy ever had any personal experience with E.S.P.? I doubt it. But it’s the lack of unicycling skills that really makes him unelectable.

To be honest I cannot even believe people would consider if their president can use the internet as a reason for voting/not voting for him, that should be the least of your worries.
I would not even care if the candidate I elect can use a cell phone or program a universal remote. What really maters to me is how they view the current world (more importantly the US), and how to solve its problems.

Even the people running at this stage will not have to worry about being informed on information via it be from the internet, tv, or newspapers. That is why they have a staff, and they have staff for everything. One for foreign affairs, one who BLOGS for them, a web page staff, a news staff (ever hear of news briefing?) etc… even the libertarian nominee Barr will have a staff who checks the internet for him, if he cannot do it himself.

And while i would like a candidate who is well traveled and knows many of the foreign leaders (i think this would help in foreign policy) it is not the most important thing on my list. I think it is noble thing that the US spends billions and billions of dollars each year for helping foreign aid (disaster relief is fine in my book because many countries helped us out after hurricane katrina) relief but to be honest I would rather the money be spent here to aid our own citizens in health care, education, fix our streets, stop gangs, drug trafficking etc…

What everybody should care about (well what i think everybody should) is what the candidate stands for, what he thinks our problems, and how he plans on fixing them.

To be honest i think this whole election coverage and hype started way to early. I remember hearing in 07 about how giuliani was going to be the main republican nominee and we all know how he fared in the race this year. And I cannot tell you how sick I am of people saying that they are voting for Obama because he could be the first black president or not for mccain because he is to old. none of this matters or should it. All people should worry about is again and for the last time is how they plan on fixing our societies problems.

and sorry for this ramble, but there were somethings i needed to get off my chest… and i hope i was bias free.

I don’t doubt he has staff

But if he told us he had read no books or magazines in 10 years, would you say that is ok because he has other people read them and tell him if they find anything important ?

Sure, we all want a candidate that reflects our own views. But a 72 year old who cannot try something new is stuck in his ways, and inexcusably incurious IMHO.

Remember, he is a multi millionaire. His only excuse for not ever going online is it is new, and he apparently cannot be bothered to learn new skills. He can’t be bothered to learn.

This is not unicycling, or some other difficult and irrelevant skill. Given the importance of online fund raising in this modern age, to run for president without investigating it as a relevant possibility for your campaign shows a slow or non learner. While other candidates used to internet to raise hundreds of millions, he had no interest. That is not confidence inspiring.

Running for president means to me that one should have an interest in modern technology and it’s impact on the race. One should also take the time to learn some geography, and also perhaps the different religious affiliations of parties he may need to understand to solve the Iraq war.

Or to learn that Al Qiuda is not sponsored by Shite Iran. Or that Iraq and Pakistan don’t share a border. Or anything about economics. He’s just not a very curious fellow apparently.

So I guess my point is he doesn’t need to spend an hour a day reading the web to be a good prez. But we need, as prez, a curious person who does read.

I strongly suspect that Mc Cain doesn’t read the web because he doesn’t like reading. As prez he will be a pawn for Cheny Inc. , just as Bush is. Why read up on crap when you are just going to do what your handlers tell you anyway ? If he said he knew anything about Islam or economics, people might expect him to articulate that knowledge. This would only cause trouble later, when his masters tell him what to do, he will be expected to explain it to people. If your a dumb prez, you can hand over the treasury to Cheny Inc. with an “ah shucks, I’m the decider.” People won’t find logical contradictions in your actions, because all you ever said was "we will win ".

[QUOTE=harper]
[McCain has no knowledge of] narcotics or homosexuality for that matter…QUOTE]

According to UK electoral tradition, a candidate’s homosexual past is usually revealed to universal astonishment between 1 and 2 weeks before the vote. There’s time yet.:wink:

I’m sure that this article will accompany the photo of him passed out in a bathroom stall with a needle still stuck in his arm.

Personally, while i will make it clear that i greatly respect him for his military service, I don’t think that McCain’s political experience matters that much if he still votes 95% the same as Bush while in Senate. It’s about how the candidates stand now, not what they did in the past. A McCain presidency is almost like Bush’s 3rd term. By the way, only 176 days and 51 minutes until the 2nd term ends.