Maureen Dowd on Rummy

Got this from a family friend, thought I’d share the interesting read…most of her stuff is good

> April 19, 2006
> Op-Ed Columnist
> The Decider Sticks With the Derider
>
> By MAUREEN DOWD
> WASHINGTON
>
> At first Rummy was reluctant to talk about the agonizing generals’
> belated objections to the irrational and bullying decisions that led
> to carnage in Iraq. The rebellious retired brass complain that the
> defense chief was contemptuous of advice from his military officers
> and sabotaged the Iraq mission with willful misjudgments before and
> after the invasion.
>
> “I kind of would prefer to let a little time walk over it,” Rummy told
> reporters at a Pentagon briefing yesterday. But seconds later, he let
> loose a river of ruminations, a Shakespearean, or maybe Nixonian,
> soliloquy that showed such a breathtaking lack of comprehension that
> it was touching, in a perverse way.
>
> He flailed and floundered through anecdotes from his first and second
> stints at the Pentagon, arguing that he drew criticism because he was
> a change agent, trying to transform the lumbering military > bureaucracy.
>
> He talked about things that most people wouldn’t understand — how 30
> years ago he chose a M-1 battle tank with a 120-millimeter cannon and
> turbine engine instead of the 105-howitzer and diesel engine the Army
> had wanted. He babbled on about reforms in the Unified Command Plan,
> the Defense Logistics System, the Quadrennial Defense Reviews and the
> National Security Personnel System and about going from
> “service-centric war fighting to deconfliction war fighting, to
> interoperability and now towards interdependence.”
>
> When you yank the military from the 20th-century industrial age to the
> 21st-century information age, Rummy said, you’re bound to cause “a lot
> of ruffles.”
>
> Asked why he twice offered to resign during the Abu Ghraib prison
> abuse scandal but has not this time, Rummy smiled and replied, “Oh,
> just call it idiosyncratic.”
>
> Idiosyncratic, indeed, with Iraq in chaos, the military riven and
> depleted, the president poleaxed, the Republican fortunes for the
> midterm elections dwindling, and Republican lawmakers like Chuck Hagel
> questioning Rummy’s leadership and Democratic ones like Dick Durbin
> proposing a no-confidence vote in the Senate.
>
> The secretary made it sound as if the generals want him to resign
> because he made reforms. But they really want him to resign because he
> made gigantic, horrible, arrogant mistakes that will be taught in
> history classes forever.
>
> He suggested invading Iraq the day after 9/11. He didn’t want to
> invade Iraq because it was connected to 9/11. That was the part his
> neocon aides at the Pentagon, Wolfie and Doug Feith, had to concoct.
> Rummy wanted to invade Iraq because he thought it would be easy,
> compared with Iran or North Korea, or compared with finding Osama. He
> could do it cheap and show off his vaunted transformation of the
> military into a sleek, lean fighting force.
>
> Cloistered in a macho monastery with “The Decider” (as W. calls
> himself), Dick Cheney and Condi Rice, Rummy didn’t want to hear
> dissent, or worries about Iraq, the tribes, the sects, the likelihood
> of insurgency or civil war, the need for more troops and armor to
> quell postwar eruptions.
>
> “He didn’t worry about the culture in Iraq,” said Bernard Trainor, the
> retired Marine general who is my former colleague and the co-author of
> “Cobra II.” "He just wanted to show them the front end of an M-1 tank.
> He could have been in Antarctica fighting penguins. He didn’t care, as
> long as he could send the message that you don’t mess with Hopalong
> Cassidy. He wanted to do to Saddam in the Middle East what he did to
> Shinseki in the Pentagon, make him an example, say, ‘I’m in charge,
> don’t mess with me.’ "
>
> The stoic Gen. Eric Shinseki finally spoke to Newsweek, conceding he
> had seen a former classmate wearing a cap emblazoned with “RIC WAS
> RIGHT” at West Point last fall. He said only that the Pentagon had “a
> lot of turmoil” before the invasion.
>
> Just as with Vietnam, when L.B.J. and Robert McNamara were running the
> war, or later, when Richard Nixon and Henry Kissinger took over, we
> now have leaders obsessed with not seeming weak, or losing face. Their
> egos are feeding their delusions.
>
> Asked by Rush Limbaugh on Monday about progress in Iraq, Rummy
> replied, “Well, the progress has been good.” He said that if you
> always listened to critics about war, “we wouldn’t have won the
> Revolutionary War” or World War I or World War II, and America would
> have been a different country “if it existed at all.”
>
> But the conscience-stricken generals are not critics of war. They are
> critics of having a war run by a 73-year-old who thinks he’s a force
> for modernity when he’s really a force for fantasy. It’s time to
> change the change agent.

hmm, i think you’re a little hard on the guy…he’s only human. although, i doubt the mothers and freinds of innocent iraqis and troops killed because of his (and ‘W’ “The Decider” Bush) fantasy war.

all i know is that if my brother (on the forums as of 2 days ago - 1tiredmarine) gets killed cause of his war, i’m gonna lead the biggest anti war uni protest in the history of the country.

Pass on my thanks, support, and respect to your bro from me

If anything, I’m not hard enough…because of his crazy “fantasy war”, as you so nicely put it, people are dying needlessly

He’s not any human. He’s THE human who’s responsible for formulating the general defense policy of one of the superpowers of planet Earth. You can’t just throw any human into that position. You need a special person. It’s just too bad that Rummy’s “specialness” isn’t the kind we need for that position.

First off, there are only a SMALL fraction (6 at last count) of retired generals who have been critical, out of the more than THREE THOUSAND! :astonished:

Just because they aren’t the majority, doesn’t mean they’re wrong

WOAH!!! I was NOT defending him. you took my statement out of context. i’m sorry if i didn’t make that clear, it’s hard to express sarcasm in type. (they should have some html tags for that.)

Doesn’t mean they’re right either! :stuck_out_tongue:

all i know is that if my brother (on the forums as of 2 days ago - 1tiredmarine) gets killed cause of his war, i’m gonna lead the biggest anti war uni protest in the history of the country.

Joshuni
Why don’t you organise a protest before anything happens to your bro?
(or anyone elses brother, father, wife, partner, mother…ect) too many have died already!

And we don’t even know if he can really ride a unicycle, or just fall off one? The picture shows him falling off. :slight_smile:

Policies aren’t decided by one person (except maybe the one at the top). It takes a group to enforce one. In other words, a Rumsfeld resignation would not necessarily change policy.

I think those generals have a lot of it right. It’s very hard to come out against your own military. I think part of our problem in Iraq is not about whether we have an exit strategy. It’s about not exiting. Not trying to exit, I mean. Yes, the country is on the edge of a possible civil war. But part of the reason for that is our presence there. Sure we want to help create a peaceful, democratic Iraq. But what if not enough Iraqis have the will? I don’t think we can “make them” want to work for it. Nor should we.

I think we should funnel at least 10% of cost of our military efforts over there into NOT NEEDING OIL FOR TRANSPORTATION. Oil gets used for tons of other things, but if you remove all those cars, trucks, trains etc., it makes a gigantic dent.

That’s right, how about some freedom over here? Freedom from needing middle-eastern oil? I can’t wait.

Maybe we can take another 10% of that Iraqi stuff and use it to help root out Osama Bin Laden too. I know he’s not the only terrorist leader out there, but at least we have a legitimate reason to find him.

Not to threadjack, but have you heard about a CA measure to charge a windfall tax on oil corporations? The tax would be used to research alternative fuels… I know it goes against all that is capitalism, but it’s got my vote.

I didn’t read all that, but I do like bacon.

Mine too. And our Mr. Prez is supposed to be in (West) Sacramento tomorrow to talk about hydrogen and plug-in hybrid vehicles. Sounds promising…

About 20 years too late to really get the research moving. Irreversible damage is done to the Earth.

It’s good, but a bit late.

Oh damn, why are they wasting their time now? :stuck_out_tongue:

And of course, the research has been “moving” for more than 20 years, but just not very fast due to lack of funds. It’s not like our president is actually helping someone start research for cars that won’t need oil, he’s just pretending to take an interest to help his poll numbers.

For those of you that didn’t know (I’m sure Billy does), there have been hybrid cars running around for at least the last 25 years (experimental). Hydrogen fuel cells have been used in things like spacecraft also for at least 25 years, they’re just real expensive. The hard thing is to make them viable replacements for the oil-sucking vehicles we have now.

Not just viable replacements (I’m assuming you mean costwise)
You also have to find a way to completely re-do the economy to get rid of the oil dependence