KH 29-inch Muni vs. Surly Conundrum 26-inch Muni

[sostrem]

I am struggling to decide between the KH 29-inch Muni vs. Surly Conundrum 26-inch Muni. I have the KH 36, which I love and ride all the time on paved trails, and I have a Torker 24 inch unicycle that doesn’t excite me any more on off-road trails. I want to increase the wheel size so I can ride faster on X-country trails with moderate rocks. If the extra cost of the Conundrum is not a factor, should I go with it? Is it too heavy for two hours of fun on trails? It sure looks cool.
Thanks.

[tholub]

The Conundrum is really a special-purpose unicycle; it is not as good on general trails as other unicycles. That super-fat tire is outstanding on sand or snow, but it behaves poorly in normal conditions, especially any time you’re on a side slope.

I would get the KH 29 unless my riding would primarily be on loose sand and snow.

[DarkTom]

Hi.

With my limited experience on a 29" muni, and loads of experience on a 24" Large Marge muni, here is my opinion.

For what you want to ride, I would go with the KH29.

Hope this helps.

T.

[jamessd]

I cannot give a review of the surly conundrum, but I do Muni on a kh29. It is very fun, fast, and… yeh fast! IMO, the faster you go the more dangerous, therefore more fun!

That’s all I can say, but judging by what tholub said, for general trails you will not want the surly conundrum.

Btw - did you mean ‘‘KH20’’, or N36? So far, there is no KH36 on the market.

[1-wheeled-grape]

the surly conundrum looks awesome and id love one for that, but i think the kh29 would be the best for speed aswell as the ablillity for muni.
i didnt think the kh36 was out yet, i thought it was comming out in the summer??

[mscalisi]

KH did indeed make a 36er frame about 5 years ago.

@jamessd

Btw - did you mean ‘‘KH20’’, or N36? So far, there is no KH36 on the market.

[jamessd]

I don’t care whether there has been a KH36 frame out before or not, I clearly stated

So far, there is no KH36 on the market.

because that is fact, and I even made the effort to avoid any people picking me up on it by saying ‘‘on the market’’.

The guy is a newbie, and you’re only confusing him.

[sostrem]

I did mean the N36 - sorry for the confusion. I appreciate the feedback on the KH 29. Thanks, Scott

[1-wheeled-grape]

your welcome, can i ask how you know my name lol, i dont care but…?
or are you called scott??

[mscalisi]

umm…I don’t care that you don’t care. How do you know that he didn’t have a 36er based on the old KH frame? (other than he has since clarified). Just because he’s new to the forums doen’t mean he’s a new unicyclist.

Your rude response was unwarranted.

@jamessd

I don’t care whether there has been a KH36 frame out before or not, I clearly stated because that is fact, and I even made the effort to avoid any people picking me up on it by saying ‘‘on the market’’.

The guy is a newbie, and you’re only confusing him.

[jamessd]

@mscalisi

umm…I don’t care that you don’t care. How do you know that he didn’t have a 36er based on the old KH frame? (other than he has since clarified). Just because he’s new to the forums doen’t mean he’s a new unicyclist.

Your rude response was unwarranted.

I was only annoyed because you’d picked up on it after I’d said ‘‘on the market’’ so that people didn’t pick it to pieces.

Sorry if I cam across rude.

[mscalisi]

No worries. I’m glad to know there will be another KH36er come this summer.

@jamessd

I was only annoyed because you’d picked up on it after I’d said ‘‘on the market’’ so that people didn’t pick it to pieces.

Sorry if I cam across rude.

[sostrem]

1-wheeled grape,
ESP - actually, my name is Scott as well.

[1-wheeled-grape]

oh i see, you confused me (it isnt hard to do dont worry) anyway kh29:p , just so i can envy you because i want one too.

[Unicorn]

Kh36

It seems like Kris is going to be putting a 36" out on the market this summer.
According to what he wrote there are a couple of prototypes floating around.

Unicorn

Hi,

36" KH frames will be available in late June, but unfortunately not quite in time for RTL. Design on that frame will be similar to the existing frames except that the seat tube has been dropped through the fork crown.

I had a single prototype 36" frame lying around so mailed it to Chuck to get him going on the 36’er geared hub. So he got a bit lucky on that one =). Unfortunately that’s the only one I had, except for one other that I previously mailed to someone in Europe.

Kris

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Last edited by danger_uni : 2008-02-13 at 05:53 PM.

[bogeigley]

I vote for the Surly

I built up a conundrum with the following components

Kris holm seat
Kris Holm Seatpost
Kris Holm Moment Cranks
Large Marge Rim
Specialized S-works Evil Twin Roller (26X2.7)
crank brothers 5050 pedals (not delivered yet when pic was taken)

It is such an awesome unicycle - it is a little heavy - but worth its weight in gold - because it just makes me want to ride all of the time.

Plus they are fun to build and customize. What I am saying is - if the Surly excites you, (like it does me) buy one - then get the Kris Holm too - it’s only money, and it gets you off the couch.

[osmundo]

I second the Surly vote.

To me, the 3 inch tire makes the Surly a better option. I finally agree, after much reluctance, that the 4 inch tire is not so good for muni, but the 3 inch tire with a large marge rim is an awesome setup. I am a lot faster than people on 24 inch yet the bigger tire can handle some pretty extreme downhill. It feels very stable in very unstable terrain and I can outclimb most people. I run the Duro 3 inch in the summer and the Conundrum 4 inch in the winter and when I ride the sand washes and dunes of S. Colorado and Utah. It makes for fairly versatile setup.
I think the Surly with a 3 inch tire is pretty close in diameter to a 29 inch.
That being said, the smaller tire on the 29er and the aluminum frame makes it a lighter option and probably a faster uni on less extreme terrain. It all depends where your muni will take you.