JTK

You out there buddy? Did you get through Katrina ok? I hope so. Drop us
a line.

Anyone else here at WD close to or affected by this tragedy?

-Mike K.

Re: JTK

Mike King wrote:
> You out there buddy? Did you get through Katrina ok? I hope so. Drop us
> a line.
>
> Anyone else here at WD close to or affected by this tragedy?

I have some family in Louisiana that I’m not close to personally, but
that I find myself still wondering about. I don’t know of any way to
contact them directly.

My husband and I met in an online game set in New Orleans, and in real
life we honeymooned there. It is a special city for us. I have been real
angsty about the situation right from the start.

Re: JTK

Shena Delian O’Brien wrote:
> Mike King wrote:
>
>> You out there buddy? Did you get through Katrina ok? I hope so. Drop us
>> a line.
>>
>> Anyone else here at WD close to or affected by this tragedy?
>
>
> I have some family in Louisiana that I’m not close to personally, but
> that I find myself still wondering about. I don’t know of any way to
> contact them directly.
>
> My husband and I met in an online game set in New Orleans, and in real
> life we honeymooned there. It is a special city for us. I have been real
> angsty about the situation right from the start.
>
>
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I had a friend who worked at the fairmont that didn’t get out till
friday. He had the most horrific and pretty heroic story to tell. I
guess we can’t even imagine what it is like. Even the media reports
don’t give it justice. They finally were evacuated by ex navy seal
mercenaries. They were escorted out of NO. He was lucky to work for such
a well off company. Many were not so lucky. but I guess even then they
didn’t have it easy. Really horrific stuff. I really feel for all the
people who lost their whole lives and loved ones.

Brian


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Re: JTK

Mike King wrote:
> You out there buddy? Did you get through Katrina ok? I hope so. Drop us
> a line.

Well, even though we haven’t heard from JTK, I found his blog, and this
post from early August:

Tuesday, August 9th, 2005

“So haven’t updated this damn blog lately, we moved from North
Mississippi to South Georgia last week and are still trying to get
everything in order.”

I guess he wasn’t in harm’s way to begin with (although I’m not sure how
N. Miss. faired), but it’s good to know that one of our WD’ers was
completely out of harm’s way.

Let us know how life is in GA, JTK.

-Mike

Re: JTK

“Mike King” <webdiscuss@webcodefocus.com> wrote in message
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>
> You out there buddy? Did you get through Katrina ok? I hope so. Drop us
> a line.
>
> Anyone else here at WD close to or affected by this tragedy?
>
> -Mike K.

Even though I don’t know anyone from NO I have been deeply effected by the
tragedy of the events occurring there. It is simply impossible for me to
contemplate that all the government agencies involved could so completely
forget the poor and disabled population of NO.

There have been emergency preparedness drills run in NO since at least as
early as the 1990’s that forecast exactly the type of disaster that occurred
should such a storm have hit NO. Yet not the Mayor, not the Governor, not
FEMA not anyone thought to provide transportation to evacuate those who were
without a car, or the disabled, or the poor who because this event happened
on the 29 which is at the end of the month but before the next welfare or
unemployment check is due were totally without funds to help them buy a bus
ticket or rent a car or pay someone to help them leave the city.

I have heard several news reports that say since the storm 50,000 people
have now been evacuated from the city. I have heard many other news reports
that said they believe 100,000 did not follow the evacuation order. So I do
the math and that means possibly 50,000 people are unaccounted for and might
be dead. I pray that many of them will be found alive but with each day that
passes that becomes less likely.

I saw one news report that showed a young white couple wading through the
water with a couple of loaves of bread the headline said stranded people
forced to scavenge for food in NO. I saw another news photo the showed
exactly the same scene only the couple was black and the headline was
stranded NO residents resort to looting. Those two headlines were the proof
to me that this country and especially this administration doesn’t have the
same sense of compassion for poor black people that it has for white people.
I am truly ashamed to be an American right now.

People have been eaten by alligators, babies died at the convention center
and around the city due to lack of water, patients in hospitals died due to
lack of medicine or oxygen or from heat stroke or sadly from neglect due to
the untenable burden that the staff faced.
It is my opinion that the rescue efforts were at the best case 24 hours
slower then is acceptable and in the worst case 72 hours slower then they
could have been. It is hard to now know just how badly the rescue efforts
were managed. The only organization that deserves high marks is the Coast
Guard they have been working around the clock since before the storm hit and
were only grounded for about 12 hours during and following the storm those
young men and women deserve this nations highest honors and respect. It’s to
bad the rest of the rescuers didn’t follow there lead…

Gary Stein

Re: JTK

Gary Stein wrote:
>
> I saw one news report that showed a young white couple wading through the
> water with a couple of loaves of bread the headline said stranded people
> forced to scavenge for food in NO. I saw another news photo the showed
> exactly the same scene only the couple was black and the headline was
> stranded NO residents resort to looting. Those two headlines were the proof
> to me that this country and especially this administration doesn’t have the
> same sense of compassion for poor black people that it has for white people.
> I am truly ashamed to be an American right now.

Snopes already tackled that one:
http://www.snopes.com/photos/katrina/looters.asp

Re: JTK

I live here in Louisiana. Honestly… the “picture” the media is painting is
pretty close to the truth on the looting and violence. I have family in and
around New Orleans. Most of them got out… but some who weren’t so lucky
told us that it is exactly as it seems on the news, but worse. My cousins
were in Metairie (suburb of NO) at their house cooking on a grill because
they had to cook all the meat before it spoiled to survive on. Gangs were in
the area looting the abandoned homes smelled the food and beat and robbed
them at gun point. Another family member is a Nurse… The hospital she was
at was flooded on one side of the building… a drug addict got in and while
trying to wade/swim away with his drugs that he took from the hospital (more
than he could carry) he drowned. Another drughead took the drugs and left
the body floating. They ALL said that they were more afraid of the violence
after the flood than the storm and flood itself. I guess what gets me is
that people always want to blame someone else instead of the people that are
doing the robbing and raping and killing. It’s the medias fault…It’s the
governments fault…It’s racisms fault… bullshit… I saw white people
looting on TV. They weren’t taking bread. Who cares what color the person is
that commits a crime and got caught doing it. They still did it, regardless.
There are plenty of people that chose not to take advantage of this terrible
situation. Sadly, there were also a lot of people that chose otherwise.

This was not directed at you Gary or anyone else. Just ranting… It’s been
a tough week

tom

“Gary Stein” <ge.stein@verizon.net> wrote in message
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> “Mike King” <webdiscuss@webcodefocus.com> wrote in message
> news:dfg0b6$20m$1@server1.darklock.com
>>
>> You out there buddy? Did you get through Katrina ok? I hope so. Drop us
>> a line.
>>
>> Anyone else here at WD close to or affected by this tragedy?
>>
>> -Mike K.
>
> Even though I don’t know anyone from NO I have been deeply effected by the
> tragedy of the events occurring there. It is simply impossible for me to
> contemplate that all the government agencies involved could so completely
> forget the poor and disabled population of NO.
>
> There have been emergency preparedness drills run in NO since at least as
> early as the 1990’s that forecast exactly the type of disaster that
> occurred should such a storm have hit NO. Yet not the Mayor, not the
> Governor, not FEMA not anyone thought to provide transportation to
> evacuate those who were without a car, or the disabled, or the poor who
> because this event happened on the 29 which is at the end of the month but
> before the next welfare or unemployment check is due were totally without
> funds to help them buy a bus ticket or rent a car or pay someone to help
> them leave the city.
>
> I have heard several news reports that say since the storm 50,000 people
> have now been evacuated from the city. I have heard many other news
> reports that said they believe 100,000 did not follow the evacuation
> order. So I do the math and that means possibly 50,000 people are
> unaccounted for and might be dead. I pray that many of them will be found
> alive but with each day that passes that becomes less likely.
>
> I saw one news report that showed a young white couple wading through the
> water with a couple of loaves of bread the headline said stranded people
> forced to scavenge for food in NO. I saw another news photo the showed
> exactly the same scene only the couple was black and the headline was
> stranded NO residents resort to looting. Those two headlines were the
> proof to me that this country and especially this administration doesn’t
> have the same sense of compassion for poor black people that it has for
> white people. I am truly ashamed to be an American right now.
>
> People have been eaten by alligators, babies died at the convention center
> and around the city due to lack of water, patients in hospitals died due
> to lack of medicine or oxygen or from heat stroke or sadly from neglect
> due to the untenable burden that the staff faced.
> It is my opinion that the rescue efforts were at the best case 24 hours
> slower then is acceptable and in the worst case 72 hours slower then they
> could have been. It is hard to now know just how badly the rescue efforts
> were managed. The only organization that deserves high marks is the Coast
> Guard they have been working around the clock since before the storm hit
> and were only grounded for about 12 hours during and following the storm
> those young men and women deserve this nations highest honors and respect.
> It’s to bad the rest of the rescuers didn’t follow there
> lead…
>
> Gary Stein
>

Re: JTK

Tom;

I agree looting for the sake of personal gain not survival is a crime that
deserves deadly force to stop. I am so sorry to hear what happened to your
cousins and it is in my opinion a symptom of the negligence on the part of
those in a position to have planned the evacuation of NO that these type of
events occurred.

Gary Stein

“Tom B.” <tomb88@sport.rr.com> wrote in message
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>I live here in Louisiana. Honestly… the “picture” the media is painting
>is pretty close to the truth on the looting and violence. I have family in
>and around New Orleans. Most of them got out… but some who weren’t so
>lucky told us that it is exactly as it seems on the news, but worse. My
>cousins were in Metairie (suburb of NO) at their house cooking on a grill
>because they had to cook all the meat before it spoiled to survive on.
>Gangs were in the area looting the abandoned homes smelled the food and
>beat and robbed them at gun point. Another family member is a Nurse… The
>hospital she was at was flooded on one side of the building… a drug
>addict got in and while trying to wade/swim away with his drugs that he
>took from the hospital (more than he could carry) he drowned. Another
>drughead took the drugs and left the body floating. They ALL said that they
>were more afraid of the violence after the flood than the storm and flood
>itself. I guess what gets me is that people always want to blame someone
>else instead of the people that are doing the robbing and raping and
>killing. It’s the medias fault…It’s the governments fault…It’s racisms
>fault… bullshit… I saw white people looting on TV. They weren’t taking
>bread. Who cares what color the person is that commits a crime and got
>caught doing it. They still did it, regardless. There are plenty of people
>that chose not to take advantage of this terrible situation. Sadly, there
>were also a lot of people that chose otherwise.
>
> This was not directed at you Gary or anyone else. Just ranting… It’s
> been a tough week
>
>
> tom
>
>
>
> “Gary Stein” <ge.stein@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:dflc8u$pep$1@server1.darklock.com
>>
>> “Mike King” <webdiscuss@webcodefocus.com> wrote in message
>> news:dfg0b6$20m$1@server1.darklock.com…[color=darkred]
>>>
>>> You out there buddy? Did you get through Katrina ok? I hope so. Drop us
>>> a line.
>>>
>>> Anyone else here at WD close to or affected by this tragedy?
>>>
>>> -Mike K.
>>
>> Even though I don’t know anyone from NO I have been deeply effected by
>> the tragedy of the events occurring there. It is simply impossible for me
>> to contemplate that all the government agencies involved could so
>> completely forget the poor and disabled population of NO.
>>
>> There have been emergency preparedness drills run in NO since at least as
>> early as the 1990’s that forecast exactly the type of disaster that
>> occurred should such a storm have hit NO. Yet not the Mayor, not the
>> Governor, not FEMA not anyone thought to provide transportation to
>> evacuate those who were without a car, or the disabled, or the poor who
>> because this event happened on the 29 which is at the end of the month
>> but before the next welfare or unemployment check is due were totally
>> without funds to help them buy a bus ticket or rent a car or pay someone
>> to help them leave the city.
>>
>> I have heard several news reports that say since the storm 50,000 people
>> have now been evacuated from the city. I have heard many other news
>> reports that said they believe 100,000 did not follow the evacuation
>> order. So I do the math and that means possibly 50,000 people are
>> unaccounted for and might be dead. I pray that many of them will be found
>> alive but with each day that passes that becomes less likely.
>>
>> I saw one news report that showed a young white couple wading through the
>> water with a couple of loaves of bread the headline said stranded people
>> forced to scavenge for food in NO. I saw another news photo the showed
>> exactly the same scene only the couple was black and the headline was
>> stranded NO residents resort to looting. Those two headlines were the
>> proof to me that this country and especially this administration doesn’t
>> have the same sense of compassion for poor black people that it has for
>> white people. I am truly ashamed to be an American right now.
>>
>> People have been eaten by alligators, babies died at the convention
>> center and around the city due to lack of water, patients in hospitals
>> died due to lack of medicine or oxygen or from heat stroke or sadly from
>> neglect due to the untenable burden that the staff faced.
>> It is my opinion that the rescue efforts were at the best case 24 hours
>> slower then is acceptable and in the worst case 72 hours slower then they
>> could have been. It is hard to now know just how badly the rescue efforts
>> were managed. The only organization that deserves high marks is the Coast
>> Guard they have been working around the clock since before the storm hit
>> and were only grounded for about 12 hours during and following the storm
>> those young men and women deserve this nations highest honors and
>> respect. It’s to bad the rest of the rescuers didn’t follow there
>> lead…
>>
>> Gary Stein
>>
>
>[/color]

Re: JTK

Hey Tom, good to see you around!

“Tom B.” <tomb88@sport.rr.com> wrote in message
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> I guess what gets me is that people always want to blame someone else
> instead of the people that are doing the robbing and raping and killing.
> It’s the medias fault…It’s the governments fault…It’s racisms fault…
> bullshit…

I don’t think people are not blaming the people that are commiting those
heinous acts. I’ve seen a lot of coverage of how difficult it is to get to
some areas and how gang members fire at rescue workers and national
guardsmen.

That doesn’t stop people from also blaming the slow reaction from the
government and questioning the rescue effort in the poorer areas of NO.

I think you can do both at the same time. Realize that there is a big
problem with looters and violence and at the same time question the media’s
portrayal of the events.

> There are plenty of people that chose not to take advantage of this
> terrible situation. Sadly, there were also a lot of people that chose
> otherwise.

Sometimes it’s hard not to lump them all into one big pot though.

I’m glad that you’re not directly in harms way. I have a lot of family in
Shreveport, and was nervous there for a bit. I used to live in the gulfport
area (Biloxi, MS), and I always hated the extreme weather there…even as a
kid.


Rodney

Re: JTK

Hey Rodney, how’s everything been going?

> That doesn’t stop people from also blaming the slow reaction from the
> government and questioning the rescue effort in the poorer areas of NO.

According to local news and radio it wasn’t slow reaction by the government.
It was the mayor of N.O. and especially our choking governor. She was told
to get the ball rolling on Friday and kept putting it off saying that she
“needed 24 hours to make a decision”. The mayor, Mr. curse and point fingers
so no one will blame me, was offered school buses from all over the state to
evacuate the poor, elderly and homeless before the levees broke and flooded
the city. He declined because they didn’t have any damn a/c. He said he
needed Grey Hounds immediately. I know this is true because Caddo and
Webster parishes (Shreveport area) had school buses designated and ready to
send to New Orleans. Hell, half the people that were stranded probably
doesn’t have a/c to begin with.

We have always had crooked “good ol’ boy network” politicians in Louisiana.
Governor Babineaux Blanco is and was the single person that could have
changed the whole outcome of this tragedy. She choked and is rarely seen or
heard from these days. Red Cross had truck loads of food and water to feed
the Superdome with the very first day. The state officials stopped the
trucks at the parish line and would not let them in. The red cross officials
say that they were told to not bring food to the Super Dome or Convention
Center because the governor didn’t want to make more people come to the
dome. She wanted them to leave instead. Only problem was they couldn’t
leave.

Also, the National Guard, which is under state control not government, was
her call. Why it took so long to get order of the city baffles me.

This whole thing has put a strain on the other towns and cities in the
state. Baton Rouge has over tripled in population and is dealing with
looting and violence as well. Shreveport is full also…We actually had a
gas shortage at first because these idiots were lined up the street filling
up every fuel can they could get their hands on. The gas stations were
actually running out of gas… that is until the next day when the trucks
run and they were full again.

> I’m glad that you’re not directly in harms way. I have a lot of family in
> Shreveport, and was nervous there for a bit. I used to live in the
> gulfport area (Biloxi, MS), and I always hated the extreme weather
> there…even as a kid.

We also vacationed in Biloxi many times.

Tom

Hey Now -

Yea, we are fine and safely ensconced in South Georgia. All my boys back in Oxford, MS avoided most of the bad weather - they got some flooding but nothing like the devistation down on the coast.

Life here in the GA is good, just busy working long hours trying to launch a new business and we are STILL trying to get everything situated in the new house:

( that’s my mom in the doorway :slight_smile:

Anyway, thanks for checking up on me, good to see you all again.

Take care,

JTk