Is Bipolar an excuse for bad behavior?

Call me a paranoid but I find this litteraly frightening.
I take your point about the efficiency of those drugs (and, for what it’s worth, think you handled it wisely) but this reveals some issues in many domains:
-20% of the boys in public schools are under medication.
How about the girls? is it the same rate? If not, how can we explain this (I know men and women are physiologicaly (?) different, but they work in the same environment)?
Are boys really more prone to ADHD or is it a view of “society” (this includes parents, psychiatrists, teachers…)

-One boy out of 5 is under medication in your boy’s public school. Can we more or less generalize this rate to other public schools?
If yes, ain’t medication only a cheap cover for public school failure.

-I can’t help thinking this his a HUGE market and many people would be really p*ssed off if those meds were discredited/banned/boycoted.

I’m glad people around here didn’t bite too much on ADHD diagnoses and medication (but I heard it’s becoming “stronger”). As a parent, I know what it is to wonder if you give your kids the best for their future. I deeply respect your view on performance enhancement, I’m afraid most people won’t be so “wise”.

Glad you both live a happy life, BTW.

ADHD diagnoses and treatment is probably 95% males. I can’t explain, other than suggesting that the genetic roots of ADHD and basic male behavior in general are possibly related.

No, I don’t think you can assume that 20% of all school age males in the US are medicated. But it would not surprise me if this wasn’t far off in relatively wealthy but not rich suburban communities, where everyone has health insurance, the school system is competitive, and most can’t/don’t want to consider alternative schooling. And yes, this worries me, but I’ve chosen to duck out of the system, rather than try to change it; I have other windmills to tilt with.

Sam

I wonder what Gilby and the other libertarians think of him …

I think he’s pretty smart:p

I thought Gilby was a Minnesotan.

I think Gilby’s pretty smart too. Why are you trying to butter him up?

How would I know?

The people that I know, that I’m aware of, that have been diagnosed with bipolar have been diagnosed with that only because a bipolar medication has worked for them.

IMO, I think that mental illnesses are something people do, and/or are something people have. People are born with it, and/or their environment/situation triggers or causes it.

are you talking about politics and government? (they all say bi-polarisation is increasing :roll_eyes: )

Bipolar with Psychotic features may be a different story

DSM Diagnostic Codes for Bipolar Disorder
Bipolar - Single Manic
296 Bipolar I Disorder, Single Manic Episode, Unspecified
296.01 Bipolar I Disorder, Single Manic Episode, Mild
296.02 Bipolar I Disorder, Single Manic Episode, Moderate
296.03 Bipolar I Disorder, Single Manic Episode, Severe Without Psychotic Features
296.04 Bipolar I Disorder, Single Manic Episode, Severe With Psychotic Features
296.05 Bipolar I Disorder, Single Manic Episode, In Partial Remission
296.06 Bipolar I Disorder, Single Manic Episode, In Full Remission
Bipolar - Manic
296.4 Bipolar I Disorder, Most Recent Episode Hypomanic
296.4 Bipolar I Disorder, Most Recent Episode Manic, Unspecified
296.41 Bipolar I Disorder, Most Recent Episode Manic, Mild
296.42 Bipolar I Disorder, Most Recent Episode Manic, Moderate
296.43 Bipolar I Disorder, Most Recent Episode Manic, Severe Without Psychotic Features
296.44 Bipolar I Disorder, Most Recent Episode Manic, Severe With Psychotic Features
296.45 Bipolar I Disorder, Most Recent Episode Manic, In Partial Remission
296.46 Bipolar I Disorder, Most Recent Episode Manic, In Full Remission
Bipolar - Depressed
296.5 Bipolar I Disorder, Most Recent Episode Depressed, Unspecified
296.51 Bipolar I Disorder, Most Recent Episode Depressed, Mild
296.52 Bipolar I Disorder, Most Recent Episode Depressed, Moderate
296.53 Bipolar I Disorder, Most Recent Episode Depressed, Severe Without Psychotic Features
296.54 Bipolar I Disorder, Most Recent Episode Depressed, Severe With Psychotic Features
296.55 Bipolar I Disorder, Most Recent Episode Depressed, In Partial Remission
296.56 Bipolar I Disorder, Most Recent Episode Depressed, In Full Remission
Bipolar - Mixed
296.6 Bipolar I Disorder, Most Recent Episode Mixed, Unspecified
296.61 Bipolar I Disorder, Most Recent Episode Mixed, Mild
296.62 Bipolar I Disorder, Most Recent Episode Mixed, Moderate
296.63 Bipolar I Disorder, Most Recent Episode Mixed, Severe Without Psychotic Features
296.64 Bipolar I Disorder, Most Recent Episode Mixed, Severe With Psychotic Features
296.65 Bipolar I Disorder, Most Recent Episode Mixed, In Partial Remission
296.66 Bipolar I Disorder, Most Recent Episode Mixed, In Full Remission
296.7 Bipolar I Disorder, Most Recent Episode Unspecified
296.8 Bipolar Disorder NOS
296.89 Bipolar II Disorder
296.9 Mood Disorder NOS

So, Billy, is this last post of yours connected to something? From where did you cut and paste this list of seemingly random numbers? Is this related to the thread? Maybe you accidentally posted it in the wrong thread…or forum…or on the wrong website.

:thinking:

Those are diagnostic codes for all the psychiatric diagnoses varieties of Bipolar.

you missed the title, and Buster tells me it’s because U R psychotic :thinking:

I think the psychotic bipolar may be an excuse for bad behavior, especially under the law.

Excuse means to lessen the blame attaching to (a fault or offense); seek to defend or justify; or a reason or explanation put forward to defend or justify a fault or offense.

Here’s a short list of excuses:

Bipolar
My dog ate my homework
Drank too much
Didn’t see you
Collateral damage
I thought you were someone else
I’m only 5 years old
You created an irresistible impulse in me (Women tell this to you much?)

Oh, no, I didn’t miss the title. It seemed even more disconnected that the cut-and-pasted text with no accompanying explanation. In fact, your title was my first clue that you were posting in the wrong thread or the wrong forum.

You seemed to have left out, “my paste buffer was full of god-knows-what and I accidentally dumped it into this discussion.”

:smiley:

Homer, your boss at the nuclear power plant says he tired of you offering that excuse. Please select an excuse from the list above.

Added one more. :smiley:

Can the same be said for medications that treat diabetes, hypertension, seizurea, etc…

As well, if something helps you function, does that make it addictive? Take for instance eye glasses, hearing aids, medication for a wide range of illnesses.

It us not ncommon for people to confuse addictive substances with addiction from using these substances. If this was the case, would all be adictive to opiates.

What I have struggled with as a pychiatric provider is the disparity between how people look at mental health and physical health. Imagine if you well, you are being treated for allergies. Prior to your allergy treatment you had asthma attacks which limited your time outside exercising. Since treatment you feel better and you have more freedom to be outside. Is this an addiction or are we just using medications to achieve a normal state.

There is a heritary basis to most things, but it is possible to reduce the occurence of an illness, mental or physical by minimizing stressors/insults to the body. There was an adopted twins study done in Scandanvia, they were looking at the emergence of schizophrenia in twins raised in different households. They found that the children raised in a higher energy/higher stress environment were more likely to become schizophrenic.

Stress is a tigger for many illnesses, stress can be a result of social interactions, abuse, lifestyle, etc…

In general, people who have mental illnees that is treatable with medications are less likely to seek treatment or accept tratment when it available, in part due to the stigma of mental health, which tells us that we aren’t normal if we take medication in order to be normal.

This is no more evident than in two populations I see: schizophrenics and hyperactive teens, both populations avoid medicataion because they don’t want to have to take them “in order to be normal”. I had this conversation with a schizophrenic and his case manager, the case manager didn’t understand why the patient didn’t take his medications. To me it makes perfect sense, but it is sad nonethless that society criticizes a person for taking psychiatirc medications, even if the medications help.

All I can say is don’t throw out the baby with the bathwater. If medications help, then they help, take em. If medications don’t help, then you need to look elsewhere, ie behaviral change.

One of my favorite things :roll_eyes: to talk with parents about is how they manage attention deficit. Even when treated, attention deficit people are still attention deficit, so what about a parent who is punishing a child for not paying attention?I find it bizarre that, even though the parent is aware of the child’s problems with attention, they cont to insist the child pay attention. Well how about this: if Sally only has one leg, is it fair to expect Sally to run as fast as the kids with two legs? Sure you should encourage the child to be as good as they can be, but their is a limit to what each person can achieve, why punish a child for not being as good as you want them to be?

Most of my clients have problems with impusle control, which cause inattention, hyperativity, and poor decision making. I write a lot of scripts for stimulants, yup. I also have a lot of conversations with parents about their own impulse control issues which their children inherited, but they insist they can manage…as long as Johny gets his adderal :smiley:

Stress can be inherited too. I can stress without any reasonnable reason.
it also depends of the direction of the stress: though there is a psy ailment inherited in my family, a psy doctor told me that I succeeded in overcoming this inheritance using music, sport (unicycling!) , day dreaming and … daily stress.
so …

@mrboogiejuice:

It is untrue that difficult children are diagnosed with ADH/ADD. Diagnoses go with the medictaions, so if a child is not receiving treatment for ADHD/ADD, then they would not have that diagnosis. Instead they might be diagnosed as Adjustment, Oppositional Defiant, Impulse Control, or Conduct.

A child who is not able to manage themselves in a typical social environment, this is a problem for the child as well as the others in thier environment. Though it would be nice to have a situation that will work for all people, that just isn’t the case.

Children do not act in an oppositional manner for the same reasons as an adult, in part due to differences in brain development as well as thinking processes. For this reason children are not labeled as a conduct disorder until their teens and personality disordeers are not given until early adult years; I don’t use personality disorders as they are the purvey of psycholgists :roll_eyes:

Do you use Bipolar Disorder? For what?

Is Bipolar an excuse for bad behavior? (back on topic)

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Here’s a

, okay it’s about schooling systems but ADHD and the rise of diagnosis of ADHD are menioned in it.

Greetings

Dru