1 Peter 1:8-9
8Though you have not seen him, you love him; and even though you do not see him now, you believe in him and are filled with an inexpressible and glorious joy, 9for you are receiving the goal of your faith, the salvation of your souls.
This commet holds some truth, although it is very broad, and not very usefull in a Humanisim vs. God Argument.
In my own oppinion a gravitational anamoltiy, is not enough to belive in God, look at pluto, thats just a recomendation I can make within our own solar systems, and we’ve just recently been discovering planets in neighboring systems. Technicaly, a ‘perfect’ orbit, would be that of the moons, where the satelite always faces what its orbiting, which is why we have the light and dark sides of the moon.
Although, there are things within physics that do describe an act of God like Schrodinger’s formula which perfectly describes, how a omnipitent conciousness would ‘HAVE’ to view the universe, if he was in fact, omnipitent, and created all there was to know, and therefore is all knowing.
I know alot of people don’t like to put restrictions or laws on God, but for something to be emaculate, there has to be inharet flaws, in perfection, for instance, God cannot create a boulder that he himself cannot move, there are much more explicit examples of this found in quantum physics in particular. All of which, explain, and strengthen the belife in a omnicient, concious God.
Sorry for not spell checking,
Brett
I don’t believe in god. I believe that I came from nothingness and will return to nothingness but I’m here now, and so are all of you, and that’s fantastic. Although I may linger on in the thoughts and behaviours of others. I also believe some other things like you should try not to hurt other people, you should try not to hurt yourself, I believe in the hitchhikers guide to the galaxy (obviously) and that Mikefule speaks words of wisdom. I also believe in other’s rights to live and believe exactly as they want to (as long as it does not hurt other people) and I support everyone’s efforts to cope with life in the best way they can. OH, I also believe that unicycling is a fantastic activity in so many ways.
Cathy
The daftest article ever. The author willingly throws aside established scientific facts like radioisotopic dating and the rare conditions fossils have to have to be created.
Except it actually isn’t. You only find tiny animals that died out in thier billions. You do not find thousands upon thousands of fossils within these layers that are bigger than large ammonites (a few inches across), in fact you find very very few large fossils in these layers, and only in select places.
This is why religious people are so difficult to debate with.
Loose.
Mike, you juust made me laugh out load for several minutes, thank you.
Do you find it easier to debate with political fanatics, scientific fanatics, religious fanatics or fanatical unicyclists?
And why, exactly?
Billy
why is it that earth is the only planet whith people
Jodie Foster: a huge waste of space.
Why is it that such a small portion of the Earth is habitable for people? Much of it is too hot, cold, wet (like the ocean floor, or just IN the water).
Seems like a waste, huh? [Recall the movie with Jodie Foster, where she kept saying: No life out there in distant galaxies?–seems like a huge waste of space.
Because it would be an almost statistically improbable event for the exact same complex species to evolve twice.
If you meant to ask why earth is the only planet with living things. We don’t know that it isn’t. We currently don’t have the capability to communicate or travel to other solar systems in the universe to find other life.
people do not evolve they are created and there is not even any sign of other life on other planets
Well if there was inteligent life, other then ourselves, we would need to find some way to communicate with them, this would mean radio signals we’ve just recently created the technoligie neccesary to even begin to communicate with other life forms within the last couple centuries, let alone put this to proper use in finding these life forms.
Also, life has only so long to even be created, our universe is not that old with an upper limit of 20 billion years, lets say that life could only possibly begin to be created under the laws of evolution within the last 10 billion years (This is because planets and gallaxies hadn’t formed yet, allowing for life to evolve), then we need MUCH more time for the creatures to evolve, then they would have to create these mechnisims to send radio signles, which only move at the speed of light, which is pretty slow in a universal perspective.
This may create only a one-billion light year or even less radius in which we can communicate with life forms. Which under the laws of evolution dosn’t allow alot of space for the extermly low chance that atoms could randomly form to create life.
I personaly don’t belive in evolution, but I don’t neccisarily belive that we are alone.
I thought evolution was a one-way street. 
If so, it’s not that unlikely for things to be going in the same direction somewhere else. Do they actually only ONE of something on Earth developed into cro-m man, or that ALL humans come from the SAME ONE and ONLY pre-human? We probably came from a colony of them, or more, or several colonies.
We don’t hypothesize that only ONE oxygen generating single celled organism evolved in the primordial mud, do we? And that we’re all (ALL the animals) descendants of it)?
Billy:) 
Yes according to evolution, only one organism was created from the primordial soup, then everything branched off from there, for there to be only one organsim to be randomly generated, is nearly mathmaticaly improbable, for there to be multiples would be impossible, so you, your dog, and even the grass in your backyard, all come from the same original thing, under the umbrella of evolution.
These forms of life just evolved diffrently due to climate, and other reginal reasons, for example, fish went into rivers because they were introduced to a mixture of fresh water, and salt water over generations, maybe they were trabbed inside of a basin of some sorts.
I don’t belive in evolution, because of mathmatical improbability, and large gaps within the evolutionary chain, not because of religious belifes. I grew up in a family where my mother is a christian, and a creationist, my father, a beliver in a God, but with no real substantial doctrine, but also a proponet of evolution, so i’ve had both sides of the argument.
so, what do you believe?
how do you think the world came to be?
How the world came to be has nothing to do with evolution. If you mean how the inhabitants of the earth got here without evolution, well then that would require a leap of faith, but how the universe came to be requires a leap of faith as well.
To belive in a God, or to not requires just as much faith. All that is left is personal prefrence, and if you belive what is seen in the universe actually mirrors inteligence, or if its just chaos portraying inteligence.
There is undoutebly a rhythm, and inteligence that can be seen woven into the universe, but even if you throw a pair of dice enough, you’ll start to see patterns. My problem with Humanism is you still need someone to throw those dice, if you belive in a sort of chaos theory at all.
But pertaining to your original question, honestly i’m lost, I like the undermining belifs of christianity, and even the idea of a God being reborn as a human, some things I don’t like about christanity, is nothing was even written about Jesus until 50 years after his death, how much of it is true? I belive in freewill, well a form of freewill, I belive all possibilities happen, so if you make a decision, somewhere you made the opposite decision, so your path in life is just you choosing possibilities, within your reality. Because of this belife in freewill, I don’t belive the Cannon of the Bible to be a truly perfect text, a million good men, who are being led by God to creat an all holy book, can be destroyed by one mans God given freewill. Even if a single book within the bible was not inspired by God, it would make the whole of the bible imperfect.
Also I don’t like the fact as I previously stated that Jesus’s human form seems to be idolized by the church, I think jesus should be known for what he did, and even by what he said to an extent, but his image should be banished from the church.
Muslim is another religion that intruges me, they propose a God that pleases me, and conforms very will with my philosophical belifes of God, i’m actually looking for a good audio version of the Koran, to listen to, to help me make my decision. But in the end I belive man has freewill, so a completely God inspired religion probably dosn’t exist.
I’m going to try my best to lead a life under God, I speak to him, and he answers me, and it pleases me, and he knows i’m trying my best to follow him, I just have a questioning nature.
To be blunt, I belive in A God with little religious doctrine, but am a creationist. To become a creationist was very hard for me, it didnt’ fit well with my God rarely if never alters the universe himself, short of its initial creation, but it became aparent to me I couldn’t belive in evolution, and as far as I know there are no other imaginable options. I guess you could say i’m a creationst due to a proccess of elimination.
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Evolution is not a law. Its a bunch of in-flux theories that apply to the planet Earth and happen to work quite well for our forms of life.
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You, me and everyone else are ONLY familiar with life and its evolution on Earth. That is exactly one planet, around one star in one galaxy in the Universe. Life may have come to be in places and ways that no one could dream of.
If there’s one thing that science has taught me, it’s that no matter how small the probability, if an event doesn’t defy the laws of physics, it eventually WILL happen. Given enough opportunities, it will happen multiple times. Any arguments against life that cite an event as “improbable and therefore impossible” simply show that the person making the argument does not understand fundamental statistics and cannot grasp the sheer size of the observable universe. I might agree with someone who states that life will not form exactly as it has on Earth, but that is as far as I will go.
There are 10 billion stars in the average galaxy. From earth, we can see about 10 billion galaxies (source). Intelligent life as we know it may not exist elsewhere. But I would wager everything and anything that intelligent life in some other form exists around at least one of these 10 billion billion (10^20) stars.
For something to be improbable, it has to have a probability of zero. What mathematical formula gives this probability? Something with zero in it. So tell us, where’s the zero?
Probability and evolution go hand in hand. Multiply the infinitely small chance of us existing by the infinitely large domain of space and time and you have a probability of one: we exist!
The “large gap” argument dismisses a lot of science unfairly. There are many reasons why these gaps exist: for one, we haven’t mined the entire volume of the earth’s crust looking for fossils, so there’s a lot of uncovered ground. It’s possible that there’s a complete fossil record but it would take a massive effort to unearth it.
It’s also possible that the fossil record is incomplete. Speaking of probability, have you considered the probability required for an animal / plant / etc. to have died in just the right place, and their remains left undisturbed for hundreds of thousands of years, to produce a fossil? It’s amazing that we’ve found as many fossils as we have!
Your choice of reasons dismiss each other… probability explains the “large gap”… have you seriously considered the implications of your reasoning or are you just subscribing to your favorite arguments without giving them any thought?
Hmmm… I have faith. 
WOW!! So Gilby and Harper are not my only brothers, but so is the McDonald’s hamburger and the whole salad I ate for dinner!
Gilby is rolling his eyes when you write…
Billy
Eating your siblings, how could you?
Hey look, I can roll my eyes when you talk as well. You could roll your eyes too. Oh look we both have two eyes. We both have many of the same body parts and yes with some variations. Is it that hard to imagine that we are somehow related? Maybe not brothers, but like 10,000th cousins (maybe even closer with some inbreading happening)? The Angus also have many of the same body parts, with even more variations between us and them and going back farther in time between when we branched apart from the Angus on a different path. Even further down the line is where lettuce and our path split. On the cellular level we have many of the same parts as lettuce.