I learn so much just from asking dumb questions on this forum.
Thanx.
I learn so much just from asking dumb questions on this forum.
Thanx.
How is it putting them in greater risk of being quartered, heads chopped off, dragged through the streets? The insurgents don’t know what the Geneva Convention is, they don’t follow it and they never will.
What we passed esentially says, follow US law and you are okay. Not exactly condoning torture. Personally having been through the US military POW course, and having been exposed to waterboarding and other forms of “torture”, I am not in agreement that what we were doing is torture. Bamboo shoots under the nails, hanging from your feet for hours, breaking bones, being burned, fingers cut off, being shot, electrocuted and many other physically damaging actions are torture. Listening to the Red Hot CHilli Peppers is not “Torture” even if they are not my favorite band.
Back to the purpose of the thread. A moment to reflect on the horror of war and all my friends that won’t be comming home. I hope that the Iraqi people will be able to take over more and more of the operations in their country. The only way to leave Iraq is when they are capable of handling the responsibility. If we leave any earlier we are signing the death warrant for many, many more than we have already lost.
Which is far, far removed from knowing what it is but choosing to interpret it in your own way.
Yeah, a veritable chasm.
And you would not regard waterboarding as torture?
Seems your State Department disagrees with you as well.
Well, they do when it’s done in Tunisia anyway.
I think degrading is too general a term, and modern waterboarding isn’t technically submersion. They strap you to a board, place a towel over your face, and pour water over your face. It is very effective with out causing any harm. You feel like you are drowning without the risk of drowning.
Waterboarding is nothing like wake boarding. Although wake boarding has lead to drownings.
More info on the 19 day course I went through.
Chad, with respect, if you have to resort to such technicalities in order to justify invoking a mortal fear in your prisoner with the express purpose of forcing him to confess (not provide accurate intel), I’d like to suggest that the time for some major reappraisal may be at hand.
You mentioned the purpose of this thread.
Isn’t it absurd to destroy liberties and the rule of law as a way to thank your fallen fighters for freedom?
There may be interest in you doing a workshop on this at the next NAUCC or UNICON.
Hmmm. Any volunteers? I swear it will only take a minute…well maybe only 14 seconds…
Which, at best (and since were seemingly dealing in technicalities), makes it a mock execution.
Which, incidentally, is also generally frowned upon by civilised nations.
Refer Clemenceau.
Isn’t execution pretty much irreversible? Firing squad, Electric chair, Beheading, hanging, drawn and quartered. I can’t imagine people suffering from one of these executions comming back. As a lifeguard during college, I saw many drownings. Not one death.
Could be because there was a lofeguard present.
Do you propose they make it mandatory to have a lifeguard present at every torture?
Don’t you think when the torturers get enthusiastic, they’d see the lifeguard as a buzz kill? Would you want that job a Gitmo, Abu Graib, or your local Atlanta prison?
Talking about torture, some light reading.
Total US troop deaths this month have reached at least 53 so far, putting October on a path to be the third deadliest month o the entire war for the US military.
Iraqis are being killed at a rate of 100 per day
Even Saddam has called from his prison cell for Iraqis to stop killing each other.
why…
i think we shall never understand.
instead we are left to somberly remember and regret, and vow in their memory that this should never happen again…never again.
Yeah, that’s what you’s said after Vietnam.
It is still not possible to win a guerrilla / limited war on someone else’s home turf.
And after WWII, “The war to end all wars.”
Front page NYTImes today: Headline: U.S. says violence in Baghdad rises, foiling campaign. Sub head: Spike in combat deaths
Sub head: “Disheartening” assaults call for a “refocus” of effort, general says
So after all these unnecessary deaths of USA men and women, coalition forces and Iraqis, (and children and other civilians), looks like Bush might change course–just to help his team win the midterm elections.
Too sad.
Thank you for reminding us that despite the war fading from headlines, that people are still dying.
Each life lost is shameful and devestating to their families and friends.
The death toll from this is in the tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands accross multiple nations.
We tend to focus on the numbers, but we should remember that each and every life lost is one life too many. I feel that we’ve become numb to that.
“And all we are saying…”