Very Quick reply to Mr Boogie Juice.
I don’t have the time to reply in lengh right now but I do want to mention a few things here.
If you don’t know about all of the North African Jews who were expelled from Tunisia, Libia, Egypt and Algeria or Oriental Jews who were expelled from Syria, Yemen, and Iraq after Israel recieved it’s Statehood from the United Nations. Then you are not at the root of the problem. There used to be huge Jewish populations in all of the forementioned countries. All of those peoples were driven out and had thier property confiscated. Those refugees were taken in by the land of Israel and became integrated.
Keep in mind that if the Palestinians have accepted the UN resolution splitting present day Israel in half as the Jews did the Palestinians would have had theier State over 60 years ago.
Israel has fostered growth and democratic priciples. It is a member of the OECD. Arab States have fostered Monarchies, Dictatorships, Represive Regimes and terrorism. Just look at how many Homosexuals are in Egyptian prisons just because they are homosexuals.
I would like to see how many muslims that live in Israel would be willing to relocate to the surrounding Arab countries or would like to become future Palestinian citizens. Not to many
You say that American States have the right to leave the Union. What happened last time that a few tried? The bloodiest war in American History. More American Soldiers died in the Civil war than in all the rest of American wars combined. (And America has had it’s share of wars!) Not only that but the suffering inflicted upon the Southern states population was horrendous. Just read about Sherman’s March and Butlers occupation of New Orleans!
If you want to talk about Palestinian civilians killed by Israel then lets ask why they died. Because thier terrorist fire thier rockets and hide among thier own families!
I think that you should also ask how many German Civilains Great Briton killed Durring WW2. I know that in just one night over 100,000 German Civilians were killed in Dresden!
Read Mark Twains account of his visit to Palestine about 130 years ago. He claims that the land was empty Barren and devoid of population except in a few cities such as Jerusalem, Jaffa, Haifa, Safed and Tiberius. Where was the Palestinian Nation then?
In the early 1800’s Swiss explorer Johann Ludwig Burckhardt states the same, Explaining how Isreal was covered in thick forest(That the Turks cut down to build Railroad tracks durring WW1.) He even tells how he was chased by a bear in what is present day Tel-Aviv. Where was the Palestinian Nation then.
Below I am quoting some Japanese guy who sums up the situation nicely.
Talk about one picture being worth a THOUSAND words. (The picture being talked about is the map of the middle east showing how much land Muslims occupy compared to tiny Israel that can be driven accross in 40 minutes.)
Is the world just plain stupid?
An interesting questionnaire for Palestinian Advocates
By Yashiko Sagamori
If you are so sure that " Palestine , the country, goes back through most of recorded history," I expect you to be able to answer a few basic questions about that country of Palestine :
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When was it founded and by whom?
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What were its borders?
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What was its capital?
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What were its major cities?
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What constituted the basis of its economy?
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What was its form of government?
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Can you name at least one Palestinian leader before Arafat?
8… Was Palestine ever recognized by a country whose existence, at that time or now, leaves no room for interpretation?
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What was the language of the country of Palestine ?
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What was the prevalent religion of the country of Palestine ?
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What was the name of its currency? Choose any date in history and tell what was the approximate exchange rate of the Palestinian monetary unit against the US dollar, German mark, GB pound, Japanese yen, or Chinese Yuan on that date.
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And, finally, since there is no such country today, what caused its demise and when did it occur?
You are lamenting the “low sinking” of a “once proud” nation… Please tell me, when exactly was that “nation” proud and what was it so proud of?
And here is the least sarcastic question of all: If the people you mistakenly call “Palestinians” are anything but generic Arabs collected from all over – or thrown out of – the Arab world, if they really have a genuine ethnic identity that gives them right for self-determination, why did they never try to become independent until Arabs suffered their devastating defeat in the Six Day War?
I hope you avoid the temptation to trace the modern day “Palestinians” to the Biblical Philistines: substituting etymology for history won’t work here.
The truth should be obvious to everyone who wants to know it. Arab countries have never abandoned the dream of destroying Israel ; they still cherish it today. Having time and again failed to achieve their evil goal with military means, they decided to fight Israel by proxy. For that purpose, they created a terrorist organization, cynically called it “the Palestinian people” and installed it in Gaza , Judea, and Samaria . How else can you explain the refusal by Jordan and Egypt to unconditionally accept back the “West Bank” and Gaza , respectively?
The fact is, Arabs populating Gaza, Judea, and Samaria have much less claim to nationhood than that Indian tribe that successfully emerged in Connecticut with the purpose of starting a tax-exempt casino: at least that tribe had a constructive goal that motivated them. The so-called “Palestinians” have only one motivation: the destruction of Israel , and in my book that is not sufficient to consider them a nation" – or anything else except what they really are: a terrorist organization that will one day be dismantled.
In fact, there is only one way to achieve peace in the Middle East . Arab countries must acknowledge and accept their defeat in their war against Israel and, as the losing side should, pay Israel reparations for the more than 50 years of devastation they have visited on it.