i am no longer a lurker. i am so proud.

Re: i am no longer a lurker. i am so proud.

On Tue, 14 May 2002 18:00:32 -0500, rhysling
<rhysling.4o12y@timelimit.unicyclist.com> wrote:

>I’m at a loss as to
>why anyone, aside from archiving, would want to use a news reader or
>mail client
One more reason then. The forum can only be read online. I am on
dial-up, I get all the posts in one minute, and then go offline and
peruse them, writing a response here and there. On a busy day like
today that can easily take an hour or more. Then I go back online and
posts my responses in a matter of seconds online time.

>the group is about bringing people together,
That is an opinion, not a fact. It could e.g. also be argued that the
group is about getting on-topic questions answered. With all the
“socialising” posts (to which I admittedly contribute) such Q&A
function gets more tedious.

Regardless, I wholeheartedly agree that Gilby is doing a tremendously
good job with maintaining/extending the fora (and the rest of the
site).

Klaas Bil

“Seems that quotes are quite fashionable these days” - Bruce Edwards

“To trigger/fool/saturate/overload Echelon, the following has been picked automagically from a database:”
ie.org, Blenheim, WWSP”

Re: i am no longer a lurker. i am so proud.

On Wed, 15 May 2002 09:21:51 -0700, John Foss <john_foss@asinet.com>
wrote:

>If this is an argument to disconnect it from rec.sport.unicycling, I think
>I’m leaning in favor now.

Ow-ow-ow! Discontinuing the two-way coupling between the forum and
rec.sport.unicycling would hurt me very much!

Klaas Bil

“Seems that quotes are quite fashionable these days” - Bruce Edwards

“To trigger/fool/saturate/overload Echelon, the following has been picked automagically from a database:”
ie.org, Blenheim, WWSP”

Re: i am no longer a lurker. i am so proud.

>> The Forum is a better tool; the group is about bringing
>> people together, and The Forum has done a far better job
>> of that than the news group ever did.

>If this is an argument to disconnect it from rec.sport.unicycling, I think
>I’m leaning in favor now.

The Forum is a good tool and viable interface alternative to the
newsgroup or mailing list. It has increased the volume of messages.
A lot of these messages should be private e-mail. There also seems to
be a lot more messages that are essentially the same as previously
posted messages, because it is hard for everyone to read all messages
and thus avoid sending near duplicates of other messages. Some of the
same questions get asked again and again and answered again and again.
Our FAQ should help stop some of this.

If you think you missed a message please look at the mailman archive
first, the newgroup or a newsgroup archive, before requesting a private
copy from the author via private mail. If the message didn’t get posted
at all, the author will resent it when he/she notices that fact. The
mailman archive is also a good way to read the newsgroup messages,
although any response might have to be via your normal e-mail client.
Mailman rsu archive: http://www.unicycling.org/pipermail/rsu/

Basically, in my opinion, the volume of messages has increased, but the
amount of useful content (anything except ME TOO, private e-mail and
basic FAQ questions/answers type messages) has remained the same. The
useful content (anything more than one person might/would want to read)
is starting to get buried by the chatter and I’m a bit concerned about
this. In other words, I think our signal to noise ratio has decreased.

I’m not saying that the forum is causing these problems. As I said
before, it is a good tool. Both the newgroup and mailing list have the
same problems in varying degrees. It could be that the increased volume
of messages magnifies these problems in all three interfaces, newsgroup,
mailing list and forum.

If sheer volume of messages is the main problem, we should consider
adding specialized newgroups such as muni, skills, artistic, hockey,
building, touring (big wheels and geared unicycles), etc. and
corresponding mailing list and forum subgroups.

John and others: If I’ve missed something or totally missed the point,
please respond and let us know.

Sincerely,

Ken Fuchs <kfuchs@winternet.com>

P.S. Those of you who type all lowercase, please do your readers a
favour and capitalize at least the first word of every sentence.

P.P.S. Those of you who know how to write and spell, but are too lazy to
do so in your posts, please don’t post anything. However, if you write
and spell to the best of your ability, please do post no matter how bad
you may think your writing is, most if not all of the content will
probably be understood. If you are sure you will not be understood at
all due to a lack of knowledge of english as a second language, please
post in your native language or a common second language you know well
and someone might repost an english translation of it. Finally, don’t
worry about the occasional typo that slips by; almost all of us make
them at one time or another.

Re: News group dead?

Up until now I’ve been accessing this community via the newsgroup (under my real name, Matt Greer. I think I’ve made 3 or 4 posts tops). Although I am new, I have to admit I find the newsgroup/forum coupling to not be the most ideal. Because of that I’ve now signed up for the forums.

Forums and newsgroups just operate differently. Here a thread is always intact, reducing the need for quoting. On the NG a post will come in that originated from the forums that has no quoting at all and I have to dig around to find what’s being talked about.

Another (minor) problem is posts sent from the forums to the NG don’t take advantage of message ID’s. So my newsreader can’t properly thread out a thread even if it has all the posts available.

I find it interesting that a newsgroup, mailing list and web forum are all tied together at the hip. I’ve never seen that before. But I do think all three being equal, the forums are the best way to go.

Re: i am no longer a lurker. i am so proud.

rhysling <rhysling.4o12y@timelimit.unicyclist.com> wrote:

> Gilby has packed SO many features into the forum, I’m at a loss as to
> why anyone, aside from archiving, would want to use a news reader or
> mail client- but hey, to each their own.

Presumably you don’t still have metered internet access then?
Some of us still pay the cost of phone calls for connection and
for us it is much cheaper to run a small news server (we have a
small number of users who access a number of newsgroups) as a
whole day’s news can be up/down-loaded in a couple of minutes
to be read by a number of users at their leisure with no further
cost.

Paul

Paul Selwood
paul@vimes.u-net.com http://www.vimes.u-net.com