Humans have such a large impact on the environment...

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No more double posting.

Hey, after Bethlehem Steel killed Lake Erie in the 1960s, it came back to life (after the Bethlehem steel plant on the lake shore rusted). Everything industrial pollution has killed has come back to life, except all the dead animals and people. Maybe air pollution and water pollution isn’t really that serious.

maybe we just need to develop a greater tolerance for environmental poisons. maybe we just need more melanin, to tolerate much more sun.

No, you’re wrong. “Likely”, from the report (actually:“very likely”) means, 90-99% sure. If that’s not good enough evidence for you (from the top scientists in the world), then what is? I don’t know anything about other planets warming, is there evidence somewhere? This is most certainly not related, or if it is it represents only a small percentage of what we are experiencing.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/6321351.stm

This is simply a news article about the findings, but it is from a good, reputable source and is written in understandable language.

I’m not really sure where you’re going with this…Are you saying that the people who put the IPCC report together (they seem like trustworthy fellows to me) are doing this with some ulterior motive?
Also: If you’ve seen the graphs of the chunk of time humans have been keeping track of, it is quite obvious that this is not part of the natural cycle…And I don’t think the sun has been turned up recently either, it follows a natural cycle (and has stayed relatively constant of late) and wouldn’t appreciate being blamed for what’s going on down here

Please read the link before posting!

I truly belive this is what it’s ALL about! YEs! Good point.:smiley:

^^ I agree also with these statements.^^

Lately here in Canada the big talk in politics is the kyoto protocol. It’s rather sad how so many ppl are pushing it and jumping on board without even understanding how it works and what it entails.

Here is a documentary that goes actually talks about mankind’s role or (lack of role) in global warming.
check it out:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1399900408121222150&q=climate+catastrophe+cancelled

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4468713209160533271&q=climate+catastrophe+cancelled

Damn USA, China, India and Russia.
The selfish bastards!

It’s good that 46 countries agreed to make a change, though. I hope they’ll actually be doing something as opposed to having multiple conferences about it. I wonder if Cyprus is on the list. Cypriots pretty much shit all over their island, a change is needed.

Trees give off a lot of CO2 when they are burned. HOWEVER, they also give off a lot of smoke and ash and other debris which is solid and primarily carbon. Furthermore, trees shed leaves, bark, etc. over the course of their lives, which decompose and become soil - this material is also made up of carbon. Soil does not burn in a fire.
In the normal cycle, trees grow, and are burned in regular fires. Old-growth forests actually are NOT absorbing much, if any, carbon from the atmosphere - they aren’t growing much, and are mostly a wasteland because they block the sun. Newer growth such as is naturally burned and replenished in regular fire deforestation cycles is absorbing and fixing carbon at a faster rate. Not that people are comfortable with this fact, especially as they love to live on the interface where the necessary fires would need to happen.

Chew on that awhile.

Did you read that ultra oddball blogspot crap?

So it’s true then. If you can’t dispute the facts, dispute the source, person etc…

I’m assuming you aren’t serious about this and are just trying to get some discussion going…
If you are, it’s not even worth responding to. Reminds me of a Weekly World News article…

Okay, I chewed, swallowed, and now allow me to defecate all over this Ball guy.

First, let me say that I read all of this article. (Bugman, you have to read all of mine because I read all of yours.) While Ball’s article was written very authoritatively and convincingly, there is no scientific fact included in it. None.

For example:

What the…? How do global temperature trends now indicate a cooling? From all the real data-backed science I’ve read, Ball’s statement is utter nonsense. He just spewed out this sentence, contradicting all current scientic, peer-reviewed, hard data, and didn’t back it up with anything. To me that’s not very credible.

From 1988 thru 1996 Mr. Ball was a geography professor at U of W, not climatology, as he claims. Prof. Ball hasn’t published on climate science in any peer-reviewed scientific journal in more than 14 years. He has been paid to speak by a public-relations company that works for energy firms. His travel expenses are covered by a group supported by donors from the Alberta oil patch. Hmmm…less credibility.

Timothy Ball was formerly on the board of FoS (Friends of Science), a lobbying firm almost wholly supported by oil companies. Ian Rutherford, Canadian Meteorological and Oceanographic Society (CMOS) executive director, said, “No member from Friends of Science presented any papers, viewpoints or even attended the CMOS meeting…they never present their arguments in front of scientists…” Credibility? Ummm…I’m still a big no.

Further, the NSRP (Ball is the Chairman) is also headed by other energy industry lobbyists. Tom Harris, the Exec. Director, is former director of High Park Group, a lobbying company working for Canadian electric, gas, oil, and other energy companies. And Dr. Sallie Baliunas, on the NRSP “Scientific Advisory Committee”, also sat on the board of advisors for the Greening Earth Society, which was an industry front group funded and controlled by the Western Fuels Association. Baliunas is also listed as an “expert” with the George C. Marshall Institute, a think tank that has recieved millions from ExxonMobil and oil industry-linked foundations.

Despite his suspect ulterior motives, if Ball backed up some (any!) of what he said, it would be worth considering his “climate change” denial, but he doesn’t. Not one bit.

This reads very similarly to his article. I also am reading it in a forum. Based on previous posts in this thread, I must discount it in it’s entirety. :wink:

From one of your favorite News Sources Clinton News Network aka CNN

The Russians did ratify it, but not because Yuri Izrael changed his mind.

Really? :astonished: I give up. Let’s just ride, dude. :smiley:

CNN is NOT a liberal news source. But I guess from way over there on the right it looks liberal because it’s slightly to the left of Fox News

Just to be nit picky the article in question is actual a column and not an actual news article. Also it’s not a CNN article it’s a Syndicated column from Creator’s Syndicate.

I think the whole world is still waiting to see a single anti-Global warming article in a peer-reviewed Scientific journal.

If you scour News Max heavily enough you might be able to find some reference to one.

Hate to interject here, but lay off the WWN…they’re a very reputable source. :wink:

I realize this is an Opinion piece, but it is worth a read.