Human Rights Watch Report

This just simply makes me want to puke, and of course with the Republicans
and the Relogous Right in power this report will be ignored and nothing
will be done to change a thing.

Hatred in the Hallways (of Americas Schools) By Human Rights Watch

Lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender youth of school age in the United
States often suffer daily harassment, abuse, and violence at the hands of
their peers. These students spend an inordinate amount of energy figuring
out how to get to and from school safely, avoiding the hallways when other
students are present in order to escape slurs and shoves, cutting gym
classes to escape being beaten up-in short, attempting to become
invisible.

For some, the burden of coping each day with relentless harassment is too
much. They drop out of school. Some commit suicide. Others barely survive.
A few fight back, demanding that school administrations ensure their
safety, that recognition of gays and lesbians be integrated into the
curriculum, that they be allowed to organize gay-straight student groups,
and that they be encouraged to celebrate their identities.

Based on in-depth interviews with 140 youth and 130 teachers,
administrators, counselors, parents, and youth service providers in seven
states, this report offers the first comprehensive look at the human
rights abuses suffered by lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender students
at the hands of their peers. Teachers and administrators frequently turn
their backs on these abuses, refusing to take reports of harassment or
hold accountable those who commit these acts; in some instances, officials
encourage or themselves participate in these abuses.

An analysis of the 1995 Massachusetts Youth Risk Behavior Survey data
found that gay, lesbian, bisexual, and questioning youth are more than
three times as likely as other students to report a suicide attempt.207 An
analysis of Minnesota junior and senior public high school students found
that 28.1 percent of gay or bisexual boys and 20.5 percent of lesbian or
bisexual girls reported that they had attempted suicide, as compared to
4.2 percent of heterosexual boys and 14.5 percent of heterosexual girls.

Oregon’s 1997 Youth Risk Behavior Survey did not ask students about their
sexual orientation, but it did include a question asking them whether they
had been harassed in the previous thirty days because they were perceived
to be lesbian, gay, or bisexual. The 2 percent of youth who said that they
had been harassed for this reason were four times more likely than their
non-harassed peers to report that they had attempted suicide. Boys
harassed because of the perception that they were gay or bisexual were six
times more likely than their non-harassed peers to attempt suicide.

A 1998 study based on nationally representative data found that youth
who report attractions to or relationships with persons of the same sex
were more than twice as likely as their heterosexual counterparts to
attempt suicide

To read the full report go to
http://www.hrw.org/reports/2001/uslgbt/toc.htm

For ideas on what you as an individual can do go to
http://www.hrw.org/reports/2001/uslgbt/action.htm

Gary Stein

Thanks for the links “what you can do”.

I know I cannot simply sit back and let this happen.

-Mike K.

Thanks Mike, it really is sad that it took an international orgainzation
to do this research even though the suicide data has been known for over a
decade no US government or academic institution has as of yet done as
comprehensive a research project to try and find the reasons for those
suicide rates.

Gary Stein

“Mike King” <mike@webcodefocus.com> wrote in message
news:3B1AEDD1.6F409F77@webcodefocus.com
>
> Thanks for the links “what you can do”.
>
> I know I cannot simply sit back and let this happen.
>
> -Mike K.

Gary Stein wrote:
>
> This just simply makes me want to puke, and of course with the
> Republicans and the Relogous Right in power this report will be ignored
> and nothing will be done to change a thing.

This is just one effect of the main problem. The main problem here is that
kids are taught either directly or indirectly to hate and taunt those that
are different. Kids that are gay or bi etc. suffer from this more overtly
because they can easily be boxed and publicized. But what about the
others, the fat kids or the poor kids or the ones with lots of pimples, or
thick glasses, etc…

This is a recurring theme in our schools and for some reason people just
shrug it off with, “kids can be cruel” as if it’s not a major, traumatic
experience.

sigh

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the problem lys in the fact that main stream media on the whole condemms
these individuals,now I’m not saying they come out and say it
blatantly.But how many references can you see of little subtile hints of
gayness being wrong,even if you watch the great “Jerry Springer”,you can’t
call a black “nigger” but you can refer to gays as Faggots It’s hard to
blame kids when all arround them anti-homosexual behavior is
accepted,besides the media,consider church,I don’t even want to start on
that issue

Thomas Aldrich wrote:
>
> the problem lys in the fact that main stream media on the whole condemms
> these individuals,

That is absolutely NOT true. Have you watched TV or been to a movie in the
past 3-5 yeras? Homosexuality is being widely accepted and embraced by pop
culture. It’s the religious right and the government that are trying to
suppress it.

> It’s hard to blame kids when all arround them anti-homosexual behavior
> is accepted,besides the media,consider church,I don’t even want to start
> on that issue

That’s the heart of the issue. The church.

-Mike K.

“Mike King” <mike@webcodefocus.com> wrote in message
news:3B1BF69B.72CE66C6@webcodefocus.com
>
>
> Thomas Aldrich wrote:
> >
> > the problem lys in the fact that main stream media on the whole
> > condemms these individuals,
>
> That is absolutely NOT true. Have you watched TV or been to a movie in
> the past 3-5 yeras? Homosexuality is being widely accepted and embraced
> by pop culture. It’s the religious right and the government that are
> trying to suppress it.
>
> > It’s hard to blame kids when all arround them anti-homosexual behavior
is
> > accepted,besides the media,consider church,I don’t even want to
> > start on
that
> > issue
>
> That’s the heart of the issue. The church.

If you read the whole report it was sickening how many school
administrators, teachers, and counselers were not only complacent about
the problem but who actally took part themselves in the discrimnation and
name calling, or blamed the victum with statements such as “well son you
choose to be gay and to be open about it, if you would have just kept your
mouth shut and not flaunted your gayness you would not be having these
problems” or “well son you better get used to it because this is what your
life is like when you choose to be gay” these types of people should loose
there jobs and be charged with unprofessional and unethical behaviour and
loose there teaching licenses.

Gary Stein
>
> -Mike K.

There’s a big uproar here in Whatcom County, WA… Ferndale elected a
Female(lesbian) prom king. Now the intentions I beleive are of little
importance, because afterwords there was huge support shown for her
willingness to stand up for her feelings, and widespread acceptance.

Well now the “GREAT” reverend Phelps(bigoted fuck) is coming to protest at
their graduation which happens to be directly after ours and at the saem
location. Well, this guy is the same one who took 200 people to MAthew
Sheperds funeral, and told his mother as she was walking out that “he was
a fucking fagot who deserves to burn in hell” or something to that effect.
H has three sons who are all lawyers who work for him. Word is he sues the
shit out of every town that shows ressistance towards his beliefs. The
county has shown a great hatred for the coming of this guy and I would
think he’d be frightened for his life. At the same time some ferndale
parents etc. have written in to the Bellingham Herald saying she shouldn’t
have been elected Prom king becuase it should always be a male, and always
follow their letter with “oh and I’m straight.” What a worthless
qualifier.

But anyway…a bunch of us are trying to figure out a constructive,
peacful yet intimidating way of counteracting his arrival. We don’t want
him to get the violence he’s trying to provoke, but rather the exact
opposite, a sense of acceptance, peace, love and happiness. We won’t
change his views, butits time support is shown in a situation like this.
The bigots seem to be the only ones who ever get heard.


Brian Wilmot http://www.jumpnow.net/ http://www.uglybillboards.com/ “You
can die but you’re never dead” - Red Hot Chili Peppers “Gary Stein”
<gestein@starpower.net> wrote in message
news:9femsc$4e4$1@constitution.worldwebserver.com
> This just simply makes me want to puke, and of course with the
> Republicans and the Relogous Right in power this report will be ignored
> and nothing
will
> be done to change a thing.
>
>
> Hatred in the Hallways (of Americas Schools) By Human Rights Watch
>
> Lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender youth of school age in the
> United States often suffer daily harassment, abuse, and violence at the
> hands of their peers. These students spend an inordinate amount of
> energy figuring out how to get to and from school safely, avoiding the
> hallways when other students are present in order to escape slurs and
> shoves, cutting gym classes to escape being beaten up-in short,
> attempting to become
invisible.
>
>
> For some, the burden of coping each day with relentless harassment is
> too much. They drop out of school. Some commit suicide. Others barely
> survive.
A
> few fight back, demanding that school administrations ensure their
> safety, that recognition of gays and lesbians be integrated into the
> curriculum, that they be allowed to organize gay-straight student
> groups, and that
they
> be encouraged to celebrate their identities.
>
>
> Based on in-depth interviews with 140 youth and 130 teachers,
> administrators, counselors, parents, and youth service providers in
> seven states, this report offers the first comprehensive look at
> the human
rights
> abuses suffered by lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender students at
> the hands of their peers. Teachers and administrators frequently turn
> their backs on these abuses, refusing to take reports of harassment or
> hold accountable those who commit these acts; in some instances,
> officials encourage or themselves participate in these abuses.
>
>
> An analysis of the 1995 Massachusetts Youth Risk Behavior Survey data
found
> that gay, lesbian, bisexual, and questioning youth are more than three
times
> as likely as other students to report a suicide attempt.207 An analysis
> of Minnesota junior and senior public high school students found that
> 28.1 percent of gay or bisexual boys and 20.5 percent of lesbian or
> bisexual girls reported that they had attempted suicide, as compared to
> 4.2 percent of heterosexual boys and 14.5 percent of heterosexual girls.
>
>
> Oregon’s 1997 Youth Risk Behavior Survey did not ask students about
> their sexual orientation, but it did include a question asking them
> whether they had been harassed in the previous thirty days because they
> were perceived
to
> be lesbian, gay, or bisexual. The 2 percent of youth who said that they
had
> been harassed for this reason were four times more likely than their
> non-harassed peers to report that they had attempted suicide. Boys
harassed
> because of the perception that they were gay or bisexual were six times
more
> likely than their non-harassed peers to attempt suicide.
>
>
> A 1998 study based on nationally representative data found that youth
> who report attractions to or relationships with persons of the same sex
> were more than twice as likely as their heterosexual counterparts to
> attempt suicide
>
> To read the full report go to
http://www.hrw.org/reports/2001/uslgbt/toc.htm
>
> For ideas on what you as an individual can do go to
> http://www.hrw.org/reports/2001/uslgbt/action.htm
>
> Gary Stein

“Brian Wilmot” <bwilmot@jumpnow.net> wrote in message
news:9fh2sl$3v4$1@constitution.worldwebserver.com
> There’s a big uproar here in Whatcom County, WA… Ferndale elected a
> Female(lesbian) prom king. Now the intentions I beleive are of little
> importance, because afterwords there was huge support shown for her
> willingness to stand up for her feelings, and widespread acceptance.
>
> Well now the “GREAT” reverend Phelps(bigoted fuck) is coming to protest
> at their graduation which happens to be directly after ours and at the
> saem location. Well, this guy is the same one who took 200 people to
> MAthew Sheperds funeral, and told his mother as she was walking out
> that "he was
a
> fucking fagot who deserves to burn in hell" or something to that
> effect. H has three sons who are all lawyers who work for him. Word is
> he sues the shit out of every town that shows ressistance towards his
> beliefs. The county has shown a great hatred for the coming of this guy
> and I would
think
> he’d be frightened for his life. At the same time some ferndale parents
etc.
> have written in to the Bellingham Herald saying she shouldn’t have been
> elected Prom king becuase it should always be a male, and always follow
> their letter with “oh and I’m straight.” What a worthless qualifier.
>
> But anyway…a bunch of us are trying to figure out a constructive,
peacful
> yet intimidating way of counteracting his arrival. We don’t want him to
get
> the violence he’s trying to provoke, but rather the exact opposite, a
sense
> of acceptance, peace, love and happiness. We won’t change his views,
butits
> time support is shown in a situation like this. The bigots seem to be
> the only ones who ever get heard.

Well he showed up at the last Gay March on Washington and what we did was
have about a hundred people with a boom box line up in front of his group
so the press could never get a picture of him and sing peace realated
songs from the sixties backed up by the boom box everytime his group tried
to chant. We tried to show the difference between his type of hatetred and
true inculsivness and compassion no one in the gay group got angry or let
his group elict any response out of us expect pity and a call for spirtual
healing for him and his family. After about 2 hours his group gave up and
went home. If you allow him to get you angry he wins by forceing you to
stoop to his level.

His family is his only congretion if you want to read about his sad
existence her is what we have been able to find out about him read the
post I will send entitled Fred Phelps.

Gary Stein

Go to a pay phone and call in a death threat. :wink:

Brian Wilmot wrote:
>
> There’s a big uproar here in Whatcom County, WA… Ferndale elected a
> Female(lesbian) prom king. Now the intentions I beleive are of little
> importance, because afterwords there was huge support shown for her
> willingness to stand up for her feelings, and widespread acceptance.
>
> Well now the “GREAT” reverend Phelps(bigoted fuck) is coming to protest
> at their graduation which happens to be directly after ours and at the
> saem location. Well, this guy is the same one who took 200 people to
> MAthew Sheperds funeral, and told his mother as she was walking out that
> “he was a fucking fagot who deserves to burn in hell” or something to
> that effect. H has three sons who are all lawyers who work for him. Word
> is he sues the shit out of every town that shows ressistance towards his
> beliefs. The county has shown a great hatred for the coming of this guy
> and I would think he’d be frightened for his life. At the same time some
> ferndale parents etc. have written in to the Bellingham Herald saying
> she shouldn’t have been elected Prom king becuase it should always be a
> male, and always follow their letter with “oh and I’m straight.” What a
> worthless qualifier.
>
> But anyway…a bunch of us are trying to figure out a constructive,
> peacful yet intimidating way of counteracting his arrival. We don’t want
> him to get the violence he’s trying to provoke, but rather the exact
> opposite, a sense of acceptance, peace, love and happiness. We won’t
> change his views, butits time support is shown in a situation like this.
> The bigots seem to be the only ones who ever get heard.
>
> –
> Brian Wilmot http://www.jumpnow.net/ http://www.uglybillboards.com/ "You
> can die but you’re never dead" - Red Hot Chili Peppers “Gary Stein”
> <gestein@starpower.net> wrote in message
> news:9femsc$4e4$1@constitution.worldwebserver.com
> > This just simply makes me want to puke, and of course with the
> > Republicans and the Relogous Right in power this report will be
> > ignored and nothing
> will
> > be done to change a thing.
> >
> >
> > Hatred in the Hallways (of Americas Schools) By Human Rights Watch
> >
> > Lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender youth of school age in the
> > United States often suffer daily harassment, abuse, and violence at
> > the hands of their peers. These students spend an inordinate amount of
> > energy figuring out how to get to and from school safely, avoiding the
> > hallways when other students are present in order to escape slurs and
> > shoves, cutting gym classes to escape being beaten up-in short,
> > attempting to become
> invisible.
> >
> >
> > For some, the burden of coping each day with relentless harassment is
> > too much. They drop out of school. Some commit suicide. Others barely
> > survive.
> A
> > few fight back, demanding that school administrations ensure their
> > safety, that recognition of gays and lesbians be integrated into the
> > curriculum, that they be allowed to organize gay-straight student
> > groups, and that
> they
> > be encouraged to celebrate their identities.
> >
> >
> > Based on in-depth interviews with 140 youth and 130 teachers,
> > administrators, counselors, parents, and youth service providers in
> > seven states, this report offers the first comprehensive look at
> > the human
> rights
> > abuses suffered by lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender students at
> > the hands of their peers. Teachers and administrators frequently turn
> > their backs on these abuses, refusing to take reports of harassment or
> > hold accountable those who commit these acts; in some instances,
> > officials encourage or themselves participate in these abuses.
> >
> >
> > An analysis of the 1995 Massachusetts Youth Risk Behavior Survey data
> found
> > that gay, lesbian, bisexual, and questioning youth are more than three
> times
> > as likely as other students to report a suicide attempt.207 An
> > analysis of Minnesota junior and senior public high school students
> > found that 28.1 percent of gay or bisexual boys and 20.5 percent of
> > lesbian or bisexual girls reported that they had attempted suicide, as
> > compared to 4.2 percent of heterosexual boys and 14.5 percent of
> > heterosexual girls.
> >
> >
> > Oregon’s 1997 Youth Risk Behavior Survey did not ask students about
> > their sexual orientation, but it did include a question asking them
> > whether they had been harassed in the previous thirty days because
> > they were perceived
> to
> > be lesbian, gay, or bisexual. The 2 percent of youth who said
> > that they
> had
> > been harassed for this reason were four times more likely than their
> > non-harassed peers to report that they had attempted suicide. Boys
> harassed
> > because of the perception that they were gay or bisexual were
> > six times
> more
> > likely than their non-harassed peers to attempt suicide.
> >
> >
> > A 1998 study based on nationally representative data found that youth
> > who report attractions to or relationships with persons of the same
> > sex were more than twice as likely as their heterosexual counterparts
> > to attempt suicide
> >
> > To read the full report go to
> http://www.hrw.org/reports/2001/uslgbt/toc.htm
> >
> > For ideas on what you as an individual can do go to
> > http://www.hrw.org/reports/2001/uslgbt/action.htm
> >
> > Gary Stein
> >
> >


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He’d liek that too much. : ) it make him look like the victim. We just
need to make hate as uncomfortable as possible there.


Brian Wilmot http://www.jumpnow.net/ http://www.uglybillboards.com/ “You
can die but you’re never dead” - Red Hot Chili Peppers “Jay Tierney”
<jay@jaytierney.com> wrote in message
news:3B1C416F.C73227E9@jaytierney.com
> Go to a pay phone and call in a death threat.
>
> Brian Wilmot wrote:
> >
> > There’s a big uproar here in Whatcom County, WA… Ferndale elected a
> > Female(lesbian) prom king. Now the intentions I beleive are of little
> > importance, because afterwords there was huge support shown for her
> > willingness to stand up for her feelings, and widespread acceptance.
> >
> > Well now the “GREAT” reverend Phelps(bigoted fuck) is coming to
> > protest
at
> > their graduation which happens to be directly after ours and at the
> > saem location. Well, this guy is the same one who took 200 people to
> > MAthew Sheperds funeral, and told his mother as she was walking out
> > that "he
was a
> > fucking fagot who deserves to burn in hell" or something to that
> > effect.
H
> > has three sons who are all lawyers who work for him. Word is he sues
> > the shit out of every town that shows ressistance towards his
> > beliefs. The county has shown a great hatred for the coming of this
> > guy and I would
think
> > he’d be frightened for his life. At the same time some ferndale
> > parents
etc.
> > have written in to the Bellingham Herald saying she shouldn’t have
> > been elected Prom king becuase it should always be a male, and always
> > follow their letter with “oh and I’m straight.” What a worthless
> > qualifier.
> >
> > But anyway…a bunch of us are trying to figure out a constructive,
peacful
> > yet intimidating way of counteracting his arrival. We don’t want
> > him to
get
> > the violence he’s trying to provoke, but rather the exact opposite, a
sense
> > of acceptance, peace, love and happiness. We won’t change his views,
butits
> > time support is shown in a situation like this. The bigots seem to be
the
> > only ones who ever get heard.
> >
> > –
> > Brian Wilmot http://www.jumpnow.net/ http://www.uglybillboards.com/
> > “You can die but you’re never dead” - Red Hot Chili Peppers "Gary
> > Stein" <gestein@starpower.net> wrote in message
> > news:9femsc$4e4$1@constitution.worldwebserver.com
> > > This just simply makes me want to puke, and of course with the
Republicans
> > > and the Relogous Right in power this report will be ignored and
nothing
> > will
> > > be done to change a thing.
> > >
> > >
> > > Hatred in the Hallways (of Americas Schools) By Human Rights Watch
> > >
> > > Lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender youth of school age in the
United
> > > States often suffer daily harassment, abuse, and violence at the
> > > hands
of
> > > their peers. These students spend an inordinate amount of energy
figuring
> > > out how to get to and from school safely, avoiding the hallways when
other
> > > students are present in order to escape slurs and shoves, cutting
> > > gym classes to escape being beaten up-in short, attempting to become
> > invisible.
> > >
> > >
> > > For some, the burden of coping each day with relentless
> > > harassment is
too
> > > much. They drop out of school. Some commit suicide. Others barely
survive.
> > A
> > > few fight back, demanding that school administrations ensure their
safety,
> > > that recognition of gays and lesbians be integrated into the
curriculum,
> > > that they be allowed to organize gay-straight student groups, and
> > > that
> > they
> > > be encouraged to celebrate their identities.
> > >
> > >
> > > Based on in-depth interviews with 140 youth and 130 teachers,
> > > administrators, counselors, parents, and youth service providers in
seven
> > > states, this report offers the first comprehensive look at the human
> > rights
> > > abuses suffered by lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender
> > > students at
the
> > > hands of their peers. Teachers and administrators frequently turn
their
> > > backs on these abuses, refusing to take reports of harassment or
> > > hold accountable those who commit these acts; in some instances,
> > > officials encourage or themselves participate in these abuses.
> > >
> > >
> > > An analysis of the 1995 Massachusetts Youth Risk Behavior Survey
> > > data
> > found
> > > that gay, lesbian, bisexual, and questioning youth are more than
> > > three
> > times
> > > as likely as other students to report a suicide attempt.207 An
analysis of
> > > Minnesota junior and senior public high school students found that
28.1
> > > percent of gay or bisexual boys and 20.5 percent of lesbian or
bisexual
> > > girls reported that they had attempted suicide, as compared to 4.2
percent
> > > of heterosexual boys and 14.5 percent of heterosexual girls.
> > >
> > >
> > > Oregon’s 1997 Youth Risk Behavior Survey did not ask students about
their
> > > sexual orientation, but it did include a question asking them
> > > whether
they
> > > had been harassed in the previous thirty days because they were
perceived
> > to
> > > be lesbian, gay, or bisexual. The 2 percent of youth who said that
they
> > had
> > > been harassed for this reason were four times more likely than their
> > > non-harassed peers to report that they had attempted suicide. Boys
> > harassed
> > > because of the perception that they were gay or bisexual were six
times
> > more
> > > likely than their non-harassed peers to attempt suicide.
> > >
> > >
> > > A 1998 study based on nationally representative data found that
> > > youth
who
> > > report attractions to or relationships with persons of the same sex
were
> > > more than twice as likely as their heterosexual counterparts to
attempt
> > > suicide
> > >
> > > To read the full report go to
> > http://www.hrw.org/reports/2001/uslgbt/toc.htm
> > >
> > > For ideas on what you as an individual can do go to
> > > http://www.hrw.org/reports/2001/uslgbt/action.htm
> > >
> > > Gary Stein
> > >
> > >
>
> –
> Jay Tierney – jay@jaytierney.com

> http://www.bannerbum.com - Banner Ad Design http://www.moovees.com -
> Movies meet Cows http://www.jaytierney.com - shameless self promoting
> web site yet to be developed…

On Mon, 4 Jun 2001 15:37:45 -0700 Brian Wilmot said…

> But anyway…a bunch of us are trying to figure out a constructive,
> peacful yet intimidating way of counteracting his arrival. We don’t want
> him to get the violence he’s trying to provoke, but rather the exact
> opposite, a sense of acceptance, peace, love and happiness. We won’t
> change his views, butits time support is shown in a situation like this.
> The bigots seem to be the only ones who ever get heard.
>

Simple… be quite, no yelling/chanting back etc…

And stand with your backs turned, totally ignoring him.


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Mike King wrote:

> That is absolutely NOT true. Have you watched TV or been to a movie in
> the past 3-5 yeras? Homosexuality is being widely accepted and embraced
> by pop culture. It’s the religious right and the government that are
> trying to suppress it.

Just to be the thorn in everyones side here, think about this…

Gay (or however you want to look at it) is NOT, I repeat IS NOT part of
the natural process.

When was the last time any of you saw a gay Bear, Lion, Tiger, Elephant,
Dolphin, Whale, Crocidile, Tuna, Salmon, Trout, Perch, Sunfish, Eagle,
Falcon, Hawk, Bluebird, Robin, Finch, Mouse, Rat, Roach, Grasshopper,
Cricket, et al???

Some plants and lower order inscets are asexual, but that does not make
them gay. The homosapiean is the only part of the Natural order that has
become gay. Gay is wrong. Gay is not natural. The only type of “gay” that
is right is in gay meaning happy.

As the old saying goes “different strokes for different folks”. Do what
you wish, but when things go wrong do not look outside for people/places
to complain about. Your gripe is with Mother Nature.

Mr. HardDeath speaks again?

Doesn’t make a difference to me. I don’t care what others preferences are.

Leonid S. Knyshov If you like my answers, I am available for employment.

“HardDeath” <HardDeath@newsgroups.noemail> wrote in message
news:3B1D5580.18BFC7D1@newsgroups.noemail
> Mike King wrote:
>
> > That is absolutely NOT true. Have you watched TV or been to a movie in
> > the past 3-5 yeras? Homosexuality is being widely accepted and
> > embraced by pop culture. It’s the religious right and the government
> > that are trying to suppress it.
>
> Just to be the thorn in everyones side here, think about this…
>
> Gay (or however you want to look at it) is NOT, I repeat IS NOT part of
> the natural process.
>
> When was the last time any of you saw a gay Bear, Lion, Tiger, Elephant,
> Dolphin, Whale, Crocidile, Tuna, Salmon, Trout, Perch, Sunfish, Eagle,
> Falcon, Hawk, Bluebird, Robin, Finch, Mouse, Rat, Roach, Grasshopper,
> Cricket, et al???
>
> Some plants and lower order inscets are asexual, but that does not make
> them gay. The homosapiean is the only part of the Natural order that has
> become gay. Gay is wrong. Gay is not natural. The only type of “gay”
> that is right is in gay meaning happy.
>
> As the old saying goes “different strokes for different folks”. Do what
> you wish, but when things go wrong do not look outside for people/places
> to complain about. Your gripe is with Mother Nature.

“HardDeath” <HardDeath@newsgroups.noemail> wrote in message
news:3B1D5580.18BFC7D1@newsgroups.noemail
> Mike King wrote:
>
> > That is absolutely NOT true. Have you watched TV or been to a movie in
> > the past 3-5 yeras? Homosexuality is being widely accepted and
> > embraced by pop culture. It’s the religious right and the government
> > that are trying to suppress it.
>
> Just to be the thorn in everyones side here, think about this…
>
> Gay (or however you want to look at it) is NOT, I repeat IS NOT part of
> the natural process.
>
> When was the last time any of you saw a gay Bear, Lion, Tiger, Elephant,
> Dolphin, Whale, Crocidile, Tuna, Salmon, Trout, Perch, Sunfish, Eagle,
> Falcon, Hawk, Bluebird, Robin, Finch, Mouse, Rat, Roach, Grasshopper,
> Cricket, et al???

There is homosexual behaviour exhibited by just about every specis of
mammals even Dolphins and Whales, it is very common in Chimps and monkeys
less so in Gorillas but still present. Before you make such broad
statements you might want to have a clue about the topic you are speaking
on that way you won’t look as foolish as you do at this moment.
>
> Some plants and lower order inscets are asexual, but that does not make
> them gay. The homosapiean is the only part of the Natural order that has
> become gay. Gay is wrong. Gay is not natural. The only type of “gay”
> that is right is in gay meaning happy.
>
> As the old saying goes “different strokes for different folks”. Do what
> you wish, but when things go wrong do not look outside for people/places
> to complain about. Your gripe is with Mother Nature.

No it seems your gripe is with the facts of the issue and your lack
thereof. How do you come to the conculsion that verbal and physical abuse
suffered by children in public schools is “when things go wrong do not
look outside for people/places to complain about” it is not the gay child
who is taking away the civil rights of the homophobes like yourself it is
exactly the reverse that is the case. Your part of the problem and would
probably consider it just fine for your son to beat the crap out of the
gay kid just becasue the kid is gay. Well if that’s the sad limited little
world you want to live in it’s your right to live there, but when I make
sure your son goes to jail for assualt and civil rights violations don’t
come whining to me for help.

Gary Stein

HardDeath wrote:
>
> Gay (or however you want to look at it) is NOT, I repeat IS NOT part of
> the natural process.
>
> When was the last time any of you saw a gay Bear, Lion, Tiger, Elephant,
> Dolphin, Whale, Crocidile, Tuna, Salmon, Trout, Perch, Sunfish, Eagle,
> Falcon, Hawk, Bluebird, Robin, Finch, Mouse, Rat, Roach, Grasshopper,
> Cricket, et al???

Wow. I guess this shows how many nature documentaries YOU watch,
doesn’t it?

Even I know that there is homosexual behavior in the wild. It’s common
practice for many species of monkeys to cloister themselves in male groups
during adolescence and young adulthood, before they are big and powerful
enough to go out and fight for females. Some of them stay in these male
groups their entire lives because they never can win any fights, or don’t
feel the inclination.

Dolphin males travel together in twos and threes. They only go after
females when the females are in estrus, and then they gang up on the poor
thing. Otherwise, they play together.

These are just some examples.

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And how many of these animals become gay (poor wording on my part) and
stay gay for their lifetime?? It is most prevelant in the younger chimps
and gorillas, but this is true in most any animal that has not yet
discovered what it’s sexual organs are for. Chimps and Gorillas masturbate
too so what. I have yet to have seen or heard of any “gay lifestyle”
animals in the natural world. Oh that’s right only the gay man has any
knowledge of the unnatural gay world. I have heard nothing on Dolphins and
Whales being gay, where did you get such poppycock from?

Piss poor reasoning on your part there. What a child gets picked on for
is not important. Have you forgotten just how cruel kids can be? Kids
will pick on, bully and beat up others for just about any reason. Tell me
YOU never got picked on when you were in school for all sorts of things.
Again it is part of the NATURAL process, the strong survive and the weak
and pitiful do not. Once again it is the order of the Natural world that
will always take precidence over mans idea of what it should be. Some
things will never change.

Minors have NO civil rights. The only rights that a minor has is what
their parents allow.

Shena Delian O’Brien wrote:
>
> Dolphin males travel together in twos and threes. They only go after
> females when the females are in estrus, and then they gang up on the
> poor thing. Otherwise, they play together.

Furthermore, dolphins have even been known to try to #$%& humans…
commonly. :wink:

Apparently they aren’t too picky about interspecies barriers, either!

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HardDeath wrote:

> Gay (or however you want to look at it) is NOT, I repeat IS NOT part of
> the natural process.

I think it is. I think a percentage of the human population is gay
naturally, I think that percentage increases because of overcrowding and
it is a natural response to the overcrowding.

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What do you think of that?

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“Mike C.” wrote:
>
> I think it is. I think a percentage of the human population is gay
> naturally, I think that percentage increases because of overcrowding and
> it is a natural response to the overcrowding.

Sociologists and anthropologists have also theorized that it is a natural
response to a society where parents have to do a lot of work and the
children need more outside care. Hence a natural percentage of the
population ends up homosexual, and does not breed, and can spend time
helping to raise children whose parents are overburdened. There is a lot
of evidence of this in native american and aboriginal societies.

We live in a world where amphibians can change sex because of population
cues; why is it so difficult to think that we would have genes that’d
activate to breed homosexuals because of other population cues?


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