How to solve the USA banking crisis

The purpose of the banking “bail out”, is to keep the banking system solvent. To keep credit from drying up, as banks fold, and thus crippling the economy.

Now, here’s the part where I go all genius. I want to flip the bail out plan around 180. Instead of investing tax dollars into insolvent banks, by purchasing their crap asset’s, let them go bankrupt.

Many banks are doing OK. Take the 700 billion $ and invest it in them. The USA taxpayer will have shares in a winner. Credit will flow into the market, as these solvent banks obtain 700 billion $ of capitol.

I am not saying spending 700 billion $ suddenly, in a lame duck criminal administration ever makes sense.

My point, is, more good credit would come to the market if the USA bail out was invested as a sane investor would do it. We should only put our money into buying shares in solvent banks. Propping up bankrupt banks is not the way to go.:wink:

The government is not a sane investor and never will be. You have this delusion that giving a bunch of con-men, er… politicians, the ability to confiscate money involuntarily from people will result in them using it to the benefit of those people. It just doesn’t work that way.

Nowhere in the constitution does it give the government the power to bail out the banking industry or any other industry. Besides it’s not even what should be done if they had the power to do so.

What needs to be done is:

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  • Lift the mark-to-market regulation as this results in undervaluing assets at banks.
  • End the community reinvestment act, which forced banks to loan to people who could not afford the loan.
  • End Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, a quasi-government entity, who insured these unsound mortgages and resold them. They had the profit motive to back as many mortgages as they could since they had no loss if the mortgages were bad.
  • Don't give the banks any money. They have plenty. If they suspended paying dividends to their shareholders, they'd have over $400 billion in loan capacity.
  • And of course, end the federal reserve which created the artificially low interest rates and fueled this bubble. [/LIST] Feel the light, feel free to invest your own money in the banking industry, but don't call for forcing the rest of us to do the same.
  • Yep, love how groups of people are now saying “free market, told you so…”. They would know a free market if it bit them on their social engineering butt.

    So far so good

    Who would have guessed we could count on Congress to do nothing ? Really, who guessed they had it in them ? If Congress ever get’s bribed, this day must have had more then the usual volume of offers. Desperate bankers willing to pay impressive amounts, Congressmen who are not up for reelection, and Dems and Reps in safe districts were very happy to spend money buying over valued mortgage securities.

    If many more banks go under, the Fed workers should get a gold medal IMHO. Benni Hana could not have sliced and diced up so many banks, all so smoothly. Imagine if we didn’t have the Fed’s central bank servers moving the accounts so smoothly from one bank to it’s next buyer. Fortunately, the USA Fed central bank is one of the most audited, and professionally run non profit banking organizations to ever exist. FDIC losses are minuscule so far. Depositors have lost access to their funds for a day or so at most.

    We should not confuse the lack of Congress oversight of the banking industry, that helped create this mortgage debt crisis, as a problem with the Fed.

    The Fed and FDIC have been circling over the bleeding banks like sharks. Excellent job they are doing.:slight_smile: The regulators are closing banks before depositors lose money. :)The FDIC fund (that insures depositor $), is still flush.

    I hope congress does nothing until after the elections. Even if there is a crisis, because all the money is controlled by the Fed, the banking functions of our society will not collapse. It is the central Fed bank that clears all checks, keeps all accounts etc. Because the Fed is a Chartered non profit central bank, it cannot collapse.

    I think any fair observer must be impressed at how all these banking collapses and buy outs have generated so little confusion.

    Now imagine if we had 150 separate banks, each with their own competing currency? :thinking: Better yet don’t, why hurt your head needlessly. With a single dollar currency controlled by a non profit central bank, losing one bank, even a giant one, is like cutting the toe nails off a hydra. The system itself is secure. Data is stored by a non profit central bank on the worlds most redundant multi location server bank, audited constantly by hundreds of competing member banks of the Fed, as well as a bunch of Congressional and independent agencies. Our usual excellent electronic banking service shall continue, even as many of our banks don’t.:slight_smile:

    That is why there was no bank run today, as in the bad old days, when folks would get all worried about if "their bank ", had enough gold. The bad old days are gone , thanks to the Fed and it’s sound banking principles.:slight_smile:

    The health of the credit industry is an entirely different thing. If it needs a capital influx to maintain enough liquidity for normal commercial business, we should pull a Warren Buffet. Buy shares for the USA tax payer in audited, unquestionably profitable banks. As their former competitors go tits up, depositor cash will flow to the remaining banks. These banks can loan out these depositor-liability-dollars, because it will be backed with the new influx of capital from tax payer bought shares. This is easily doable.

    I see this as potentially wildly profitable for the tax payer. Without the Congress buying over valued stuff from banks, those assets will collapse in value. Then newly cheap mortgage securities will be bought up dirt cheap by the remaining banks that are majority owned by tax payers. Inflation will cause these assets to appreciate so fast that in 10 years they may erase the USA gov’s debt.

    OK, a semi pipe dream. Beats buying over valued securities to save well connected bankers a trillion dollars by trying unsuccessfully to have tax payers buy stuff from insolvent banks. That bailout is to expensive to the tax payer, and even worse, it won’t work. If the bankers don’t have enough, bad enough bad debts to sell now, they will quickly find more as soon as a Bush shill shows up to buy it. This is political hand outs on a grand scale to the insiders at the Bush treasury dept.

    Trust me, I am not a banking expert. But if the plan is to give a trillion $ to lame duck Bush officials, to spend as fast as they can, like it’s a “crisis” , within a few months, the crisis will return, as the money disappears and the banks are still broke. :frowning:

    The USA taxpayer should only invest into the banking industry as a sane, profit oriented person would. Injecting capital into the banking industry, by buying stock in audited, profitable, certified solvent banks , will maintain needed banking services. The tax payer should make a profit.

    It is essential to maintain banking services. The best way to do that, is to have tax payers invest (if at all) , only in the soundest and most profitable banks. The other plan is basically just a politically based raid on the treasury to save a few well connected, poorly run banks.

    That’s probably the main reason it’ll never happen. Why would politicians vote for something that gives all the profits to us, when it can be set up so all the profits go to them (and their buddies)? :wink:

    But it’s fun to dream about, like winning the lottery. If it were possible, the profits could be turned into tax credits. Yup, another instance where your government holds onto your money and collects all the interest on it. Or, give half the profit to the taxpayers (as credits) and put the other half toward paying the national debt. Do we ever pay our national debt? It sure isn’t popular to talk about during a political campaign…

    You praise the Fed, and then you say this:

    The Fed is involved in requesting this bailout. You’re contradicting yourself with this.

    In the last couple weeks, the fed has been inflating… 680% if you annualized it.

    They might want to get a little education:

    I have great trust in the Fed

    The Bush treasury is in the executive, the Fed is independent. Although the Fed chairman is in favor of the bailout, that is just his political opinion. The bailout money goes to Paulson, not Bernaki. I don’t trust Bush and Paulson !

    I am impressed how well the banking collapse has gone so well. Without the Fed, and it’s solid central bank, we would have the economy shut down with this many bank failures. The fact that hasn’t happened, and the FDIC fund is still full, is a great testament to the professionalism of the people who work at the Fed, and the solidness of their oversight.

    As for your Duck cartoon, it is a good explanation for the price inflation in the USA after the gold and silver rush in the 1800’s. As any silly duck that can read knows, you cannot understand the modern banking system using the gold bank model. It is a particularly duck out of water explanation for the current banking crisis. If the operations of the Fed were going to cause inflation, why didn’t it that happen ? After decades of low inflation in the general economy , prices of houses stopped rising, then declined. Inflation isn’t the problem here ! The modest price inflation this year is a result of sharply higher costs of energy. The Fed has nothing to do with the world wide supply-demand ratio for energy, that caused this recent inflation.

    In the modern system, a bank with a trillion in capital , can accept up to 9 trillion in deposits, then loan out about 9 trillion of these deposits, to create 9 trillion in assets. This would give them a capital to asset ratio of 1 to 9. No magic Fed money is created by this process. The proof that oversight is excellent, and the system sound, is how banks are being shut down smoothly, after blowing their share holder cash. Depositor money has not been lost so far. Amazingly good job IMHO !:slight_smile: Immeasurably better then in the bad old days of gold banks that lead to the great depression.:frowning:

    The proof to me that this system is not inherently inflationary, is that we have enjoyed decades of low inflation. The current crisis is the opposite of an inflation problem (to much cash chasing to few goods). We are short on cash ! Hello !, an economist won’t see the big picture being a one trick pony. Fed bashing may suit Ron Paul as a political gimmick, but he is a politician, not an economist.

    Gilby for president

    We wouldn’t have had the banking collapse to begin with.

    Decades of low inflation… Haha. Whereas before we had centuries of no inflation. The US has been lucky to have the reserve currency and therefore could export our inflation. Pretty nice setup… while it lasts, which it can’t for long.

    Note to self: sharply higher energy costs = modest price inflation. :thinking:

    Energy costs are higher along with most other raw materials. Is that not price inflation? I understand that the costs of services did not increase as much, but is that not the result of people spending more money on necessities over services? Wages usually increase slowest during inflation.

    I wonder when we switch to the amaro this will solve things, seeing how the amero is supposed to be worth a 1.3 dollar equivalent.

    Where did you find out the amero would be 1.3 to 1?

    It might be out of date, but i heard it 1 year ago from a press confrence on tv.

    That is an interesting ratio, since a dollar is legally defined as a coin that weighs four hundred and twelve and a half grains, of which nine-tenths of it is silver. That converts to 0.773 ounces of silver is a dollar, or about 1.3 dollars for a troy ounce of silver. So, under that definition of exchange of 1.3 dollars per amero would mean that an amero is likely defined as a troy ounce of silver.

    Thats a very educated response. Sadly mine wasnt, i just heard off of tv . lol. Interesting though =) What computer languages do you speak? (speak… lol)

    The Amero

    Is the favored currency of political conspiracy fans, who tend to also believe that an 8 lane super highway is soon to be made linking Mexico and Canada through the USA. Those damn it!, Mexicans are coming !:wink:

    It would be stupid for the USA to link the dollar to the peso. There are no politicians or economists pushing this idea. Creating the Amero would have the same effect economically, as linking the dollar to the peso.

    There are a few economists who argue that a couple billion dollars/yr might be saved on transactions costs by a currency union between the USA and Canada. However, this idea is unpopular in Canada, and has not been endorsed by any high level USA politicians.

    The logic that leads someone to believe we are soon to construct a massive super highway to connect Mexico to Canada, can’t be based on economics. It’s all just fear of Mexicans.

    If you have a lot of heavy stuff in Canada that you want to ship to Mexico, you would take advantage of the fact that Canada’s numerous and excellent ports on the coasts can move goods to Mexico for 1/5 the cost as trucking them. If you have something in the middle of Canada to go to Mexico, you would only truck it to the Mississippi river, and use cheap water the rest of the way. The same is true for goods going in reverse from Mexico to Canada. On the east coast, the gulf oceanic current moves 4 mph from off Mexico to Canada. Trucking was way more expensive then shipping, even before diesel prices went up so sharply.

    The final nail in the strange theory that we are going to make new super highways to link Mexico and Canada , is that Mexico and Canada are already connected by lightly used super highways. Making a new 8 laner up the center would cost a fortune, and yet it would then sit unused, for the reasons I list above.

    An article with some historical perspective

    http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1851160-1,00.html

    Natalie Portman and Rashida Jones solve the financial crisis:

    Very sad how the revisionists use this quote from Mellon to imply that nothing was done by Hoover. The fact is that Hoover did not follow this advice. He imposed massive government intervention.

    Sad.

    So what would Gilby do now ?

    `If say Gilby could reconstruct the world money system? The focus of modern economists is about keeping employment high. A “protect the dollar” policy won’t do that IMHO.

    Not to mention how strong the USA dollar has become in the last month. Up 20 % against gold, oil, other currencies, and commodities, stocks etc.

    Abolish the fed. We don’t need a world money system if it’s controlled by governments. Create a monetary system that is not backed by the power of the government to steal from it’s citizens, which is what our current system is. The government only has authority to coin money, not to issue bills of credit or give monopoly power to a pseudo-government entity to do it for them.

    Basically, this means, the government should make coins, in gold and silver, and let them be traded at market value. Don’t fix them to anything else. If both silver and gold is issued, don’t fix them to each other. Just let them fluctuate with the market. As per the 9th and 10th amendment, allow the people to issue notes and allow them to fluctuate. In other words, the government has no power to create legal tender laws. All payment of debt to the government should be at their free market value. A unit mass of silver or a unit mass of gold should be the unit of account of the US.

    Abolish the 16th amendment and the income tax. Impose a uniform tariff where no goods are taxed at a different rate, with a maximum 10% which should be enough for defense purposes (the main role of the federal government). The only other taxes should be any excise taxes on use of government property (ie. rent for letting the livestock graze on government land), a fixed fee when going through customs, and then a direct tax on each State which should only be imposed in times of legitimate war (only when we are attacked or have a real threat of attack). Give power to the States to veto this tax with a simple majority vote of the legislatures of each state (needed since the States no longer have representation due to the 17th amendment and this provides a check on this taxing power since the States would have to somehow come up with the funds). Eliminate the power of the federal government to borrow.

    In summary, eliminate the ability of the federal government to manipulate the economy. The States could still manipulate the economy within their state, they could even be a communist state. Though, ideally they wouldn’t do that.

    That’s the wrong focus. The current system focuses on that by throwing cheap credit out there, effectively throwing money at inefficient businesses to make them stay in business and employ people longer doing unproductive work. It causes the constant booms and busts that are prevalent in our system today.

    The focus should be on prosperity. With prosperity, employment would naturally remain high. By letting the market be free to fluctuate everyone is constantly getting accurate data in which they can react to to maintain efficiency.

    The dollar is the world’s reserve currency. As the entire world is liquidating their assets, many by forced margin calls, the demand for the dollar is going up. In the short term, bills need to paid, in dollars, so there is demand for them.

    The dollar is backed by the ability of the US government to tax it’s people. As all of our life savings are being destroyed and unemployment is increasing, we will probably see the rest of the world dump the dollar, since we are no longer productive enough to back the US dollar. It’s possible the governments of the world will create some new system that might save the dollar from hyperinflation, but that’ll only cause an even bigger worldwide crash later on, maybe decades from now. Regardless, the US economy will most likely be like Japan’s has been in the past couple decades.