Help Snow Cat make a rim for a Coker!!!

I’ve emailed back and forth with Chalo a couple of times via the bike.tec
newsgroup. Here is his latest reply. I think it’s a call to action we can
help with. I’d be willing to take names and email addresses of people who
will COMMIT to buying a rim–let’s say at $100 a rim or less–maybe even
a lot less!

Of course I will yield this privilege to John Drummond if he would like
it.

David Maxfield Bainbridge Island, WA
… David,

Hi, I’m replying to your note about Coker rims. I live in West Seattle so
we’re almost neighbors!

I have been talking with Simon at All Weather Sports about an initial
production run of Snow Cat rims in the required size. He originally
offered to do a batch of as few as 50 rims, but his supplier has proven so
flexible that now he says he’ll make as few as 20 at a time. I’ll buy 20
for just my own use if I have to!

http://allweathersports.com/winter/snowcats.html

This is a very wide, single walled aluminum rim which weighs about one and
two-thirds pounds in the 26" size. It suits the 36" wheel because its wide
section will tend to stabilize the inherent sideways flexibility in a
wheel with such a large diameter and relatively narrow width. The thick
spoke face section not only will give good support for high spoke tension,
but will be easy to drill out for heavier gauge spokes than normal if that
is desirable. I was interested mostly in seeing a 48-hole drilling to
enhance wheel strength, but Simon seems accomodating on drillings,
offering whatever hole count and lateral offset the buyer wants.

The regular price for the regular size Snow Cat rim is $60 I think; From
what Simon says these specials might be price-adjusted somewhat to offset
the increased material costs, but not priced out of the range of the other
sizes. If orders can be pooled to distrubute to groups of interested
riders, a manufacturer-level pricing scheme may apply, for a wholesale
unit cost as low as $35 or so. Someone would have to take on the
unenviable task of breaking up and sending out the ones and pairs, though.

Anyway, to the extent that you can spread the word to Coker riders, or
even contact Simon to voice interest in the project, it would be helpful.
Simon will have to get special lengths of his extrusion to make these
rims, so it represents some risk on his part to agree to supply any rims
in this size. His contact information follows:

All Weather Sports 4001 Geist Road Suite 12 Fairbanks, Alaska 99709 Phone:
(907) 474-8184 Fax: (907) 474-0649 simon@allweathersports.com

The more interest there is in this project, the better it will work out
for everyone involved. Since I am not in regular contact with any Uni
enthusiasts, I would appreciate help eliciting some feedback and interest
in a quality alternative to Coker wheels to supply a new category of one-
and two-wheelers.

Thanks,

Chalo Colina

You’r the Man, Dave. I’ll commit to at least one- possably more, when we have the price hammered out. I think it would serve us to work as directly with All Weather Sports as possable- the more hands the rims touch, the more they are going to cost. Involving a re-seller might have been necessary if there had been a large production run required- as it is, I think you will easly get 50 takers.

Thanks for the work,

Christopher LeFay
rhysling@telepak.net

Christopher,

Thanks for your quick response. If I get a big response today, then I’m
going to update Simon Rakower, the maker of the Snow Cat rims, tonight to
show him the level of interest.

PS. I’ve got you down for one Snow Cat/Coker rim.

David Maxfield Bainbridge Island, WA

Guys-

What is the purpose of this new rim? Strength? It doesn’t seem like you’re going after light weight here. Am I confusing this issue with a past thread dealing with a lightweight, thin wheel and tire for the Cokers? I thought in that thread the goal was to support a production run of large diameter (big wheel) light rims and tires.

would a Coker tire work on this 44mm wide rim?if got one i would want it drilled out like the SL version…

>What is the purpose of this new rim?

Good question. What I’m looking for is a strong rim that can be trued–and
will stay true.

The Snow Cat is vastly superior to the rim that Coker provides. However,
it is not multi-channeled as the hoped-for Avro rim would be.

I’ve heard through this group that John Drummond has had discussions with
Avro about supplying a rim for the Coker. I hope he succeeds. The Snow
Cat is worth pursuing because it sounds achievable in the short term–and
because it would be a huge improvement over what we have now.

I didn’t join in the thread about lightweight, thin wheels and tires for
Cokers. They aren’t what I want. I want the cushy momentum from the
current Coker tire, because I use my Coker as a long-distance machine.
Lightweight, thin big wheels–like Semcycle big wheels are great in their
place, but not for long distance touring.

David Maxfield Bainbridge Island, WA

>would a Coker tire work on this 44mm wide rim?

44mm is very close (if not exactly) what the current Coker rim is. The
Snow Cat will work.

>if got one i would want it drilled out like the SL version…

I think our big decision will be:

  1. Drill at all.
  2. Drill for 48 spokes
  3. Drill for 36 spokes.

My vote goes for 48 spokes–of the size currently used by Coker. My
assumption is that all the rims will be drilled (or not drilled) the same.
We will order a batch of either 20 or 50 identical rims. Any further
customization will be “after market”.

David Maxfield Bainbridge Island, WA

I just talked to John at Unicycle Source about the new Coker rims. He
ordered 50 rims from Avro back in October and is hoping to take delivery
on them soon. He had to pay the money upfront on this special order so
there is a real good chance that this just won’t be dropped.

The rim that is being made is just like the Avro Eliminator, just a longer
extrusion. This will be a double walled rim and is drilled for a 48 hole
hub. This combination should make the rim a lot stronger. This new rim
should also be a more true wheel, making it more practical for use with a
drag break.

For more information on the Eliminator and the Avro rims, here is their
website. http://www.dhbike.com/newpro.html

I would suggest to wait to see if UnicycleSource can get the rims in
stock. If something falls through and they can’t get them from Avro, then
Snow Cat might be the answer.

-Andy

---- Original Message ---- From: maxfieldd@aol.com (Maxfield D) To:
rsu@unicycling.org Subject: Re: Help Snow Cat make a rim for a Coker!!!
Date: 02 Jan 2002 19:54:42 GMT

>>What is the purpose of this new rim?
>
>Good question. What I’m looking for is a strong rim that can be
>trued–and will stay true.
>
>The Snow Cat is vastly superior to the rim that Coker provides. However,
>it is not multi-channeled as the hoped-for Avro rim would be.
>
> I’ve heard through this group that John Drummond has had discussions
> with Avro about supplying a rim for the Coker. I hope he succeeds. The
> Snow Cat is worth pursuing because it sounds achievable in the short
> term–and because it would be a huge improvement over what we have now.
>
>I didn’t join in the thread about lightweight, thin wheels and tires for
>Cokers. They aren’t what I want. I want the cushy momentum from the
>current Coker tire, because I use my Coker as a long-distance machine.
>Lightweight, thin big wheels–like Semcycle big wheels are great in their
>place, but not for long distance touring.
>
>David Maxfield Bainbridge Island, WA
>
>
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>I would suggest to wait to see if UnicycleSource can get the rims
>in stock.

I like Andy’s suggestion. If John has already made the investment, then
let’s give it a bit of time to work–especially if the rims are due soon.

David Maxfield Bainbridge Island, WA

I was just cruising around, looking for the weight of the Avro Zum 24" rim, and came across this:

“Avro is currently producing a 36 inch proprietary rim for a client in the unicycle industry.”

I wonder which unicycle this would fit? I wonder who the client is? It seems news travels fast, or is this news not new?

http://www.mtbreview.com/reviews/Rim/product_86817.shtml

There are currently no reviews for this rim on mtbreview

Don_TaiATyahooDOTcoDOTuk, Toronto, Canada

Your tongue is buried so deeply in your cheek I’ll bet your eyes are watering. That was funny.