"helmet nazis kill children"

> children should not wear helmets on playground equipement. Several deaths have
> been recorded in the states when children wearing helmets have become trapped
> in small spaces in the equipement and have been strangled by the straps on
> their helmets. Simalar non-fatal incidents have been recorded in other
> situations, for example where children have been climbing trees."

So do you have a suggestion?

Most of the discussion has been about how helmets will protect you. I don’t
think there’s been very much said about mandatory helmet laws, except from
people who don’t want them. Mostly people are just saying things like ‘wearing a
helmet will protect you’.

You can still get yourself killed no matter what you do, but I challenge you
to show me some numbers that show helmet use has increased instance of deaths
or injuries.

Stay on top,

John Foss, the Uni-Cyclone http://www.unicycling.com

From a New Zealand consumer mag

“The US Consumer Product Safety Commission has recently warned that children
should not wear helmets on playground equipement. Several deaths have been
recorded in the states when children wearing helmets have become trapped in
small spaces in the equipement and have been strangled by the straps on their
helmets. Simalar non-fatal incidents have been recorded in other situations,
for example where children have been climbing trees.”

cheers Harold

        Harold Jarvie Wellington New Zealand hjarvie@bigfoot.com
        <a href="http://bigfoot.com/~hjarvie">http://bigfoot.com/~hjarvie</a>

RE: “helmet nazis kill children”

In a message dated 4/16/99 6:37:42 PM, John Foss, the Uni-Cyclone replied:

>> children should not wear helmets on playground equipement. Several deaths
>> have been recorded in the states when children wearing helmets have become
>> trapped in small spaces in the equipement and have been strangled by the
>> straps on their helmets. Simalar non-fatal incidents have been recorded in
>> other situations, for example where children have been climbing trees."
>
>So do you have a suggestion?
>
>Most of the discussion has been about how helmets will protect you.

The purpose of the post you responded to was to illustrate that they can also be
the cause of injury and/or kill you. It highlights the absurdity of ‘always wear
your helmet’ and like trite and mindless cliches.

>I don’t think there’s been very much said about mandatory helmet laws, except
>from people who don’t want them. Mostly people are just saying things like
>‘wearing a helmet will protect you’.

Perhaps it would be more appropriate and accurate if they advised, ‘wearing a
helmet may protect you in instances where head injury is a reasonable
possibility.’ It’s not that we don’t want people to wear helmets when necessary,
it’s that we value individual liberty more highly than we do mandated security.
IOW, it’s ever-more intrusive nanny-state edicts we don’t want, we’ve nothing at
all against the voluntary use of protective equipment, including helmets.

>
>You can still get yourself killed no matter what you do, but I challenge you to
>show me some numbers that show helmet use has increased instance of deaths or
>injuries.
>
The above is just the kind of non-sequitur tripe that encourages the unthinking
to use helmets even when they may be more of a hazard than a source of
protection. If this type psuedo-logic were valid we should all wear full body
armour from cradle to grave. Since it’s the pro-helmet crowd making the claim
that helmets ‘will protect you’ it’s they who should back their claims with
something more substantial than gory anecdotal evidence. Most of the horror
stories I’ve read give only the details of the seriousness of the injuries
sustained and too conveniently leave out the specifics of the actions that lead
to the injuries.

It’s not the use of helmets that bothers me, it’s the sweeping generalizations
and ‘one size fits all’ mentality of many helmet advocates and the scare tactics
many seem inclined to use to achieve their objectives. Simply riding a standard
uni is not particularly dangerous, nor is a head injury very likely. As one
moves toward the extremes the risk increases proportionally and so should the
precautions taken to prevent undesirable injuries.

The inevitable consequence of protecting fools from their folly is to fill
the world with fools. I say let 'em have their Darwin Award if that’s what
they want!

            peace - AU

RE: “helmet nazis kill children”

> ----------
> From: ian@achrn.demon.co.uk Reply To: ian@achrn.demon.co.uk Sent: Sunday,
> April 18, 1999 5:58 AM To: UNICYCLING@winternet.com Subject: Re: "helmet nazis
> kill children"
>
>
> Contravenes Godwin’s Law, as well.
>
> regards, Ian SMith
>
Curiosity got the better of me, so I thought I’d share my new knowledge (and I
guess this means that the helmet debate is at an end … ?):

Godwin’s Law /prov./ [Usenet]: “As a Usenet discussion grows longer, the
probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one.” There is
a tradition in many groups that, once this occurs, that thread is over, and
whoever mentioned the Nazis has automatically lost whatever argument was in
progress. Godwin’s Law thus practically guarantees the existence of an upper
bound on thread length in those groups.

Source: http://igwe1.vub.ac.be/links/jargon/g/GodwinsLaw.html

Re: “helmet nazis kill children”

I may be a parent who believes strongly in helmet use for biking and unicycling
but I am not a nazi. To be likened so was unkind. Barb K.

RE: “helmet nazis kill children”

I probably shouldn’t but I can’t resist

> Godwin’s Law /prov./ [Usenet]: "As a Usenet discussion grows longer, the
> probability of a comparisoninvolving Nazis or Hitler approaches one." There is
> a tradition in many groups that, once this occurs, that thread is over, and
> whoever mentioned the Nazis has automatically lost whatever argument was in
> progress. Godwin’s Law thus practically guarantees the existence of an upper
> bound on thread length in those groups.

and that the nazis always win :wink:

>
> Source: http://igwe1.vub.ac.be/links/jargon/g/GodwinsLaw.html

We shall fight them on the sidewalks We shall fight them in the gyms We shall
never surrender

If you can’t say helmet, you can’t say helmet the government

Come to think of it in Germany they had a helmut (sp?) in government

co-incedence?

I think not.

  cheers Harold

with apologies and condolences to those who are taking life too seriously
today. The spelling mistakes are intentionaly left for those who require
proof that I have no right to say any of these things.

        Harold Jarvie Wellington New Zealand hjarvie@bigfoot.com
        <a href="http://bigfoot.com/~hjarvie">http://bigfoot.com/~hjarvie</a>

Re: “helmet nazis kill children”

In article <19990418022908.27734.00002421@ng-da1.aol.com>, Unicyclers wrote:

>I may be a parent who believes strongly in helmet use for biking and unicycling
>but I am not a nazi. To be likened so was unkind.

Contravenes Godwin’s Law, as well.

regards, Ian SMith

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RE: “helmet nazis kill children”

I really don’t want to generate more discussion on safety issues, but the other
day a funny situation came up.

I was riding down a gentle, paved road to a beach near my house to practice
trials on some logs. Since I was planning to practice trials, I was riding with
quite a bit of armour on, plus a helmet.

As I road along, I heard a voice yell out, “Be careful on that thing, buddy. You
might break your neck!”. The comment came from a construction worker who was
standing on the side of about a very steep (probably 40 degree) rooftop, about 3
stories up, who was not wearing any kind of harness or safety device.

Cheers,

Kris.

At 03:36 PM 4/16/99 -0700, you wrote:
>> children should not wear helmets on playground equipement. Several deaths
>> have been recorded in the states when children wearing helmets have become
>> trapped in small spaces in the equipement and have been strangled by the
>> straps on their helmets. Simalar non-fatal incidents have been recorded in
>> other situations, for example where children have been climbing trees."
>
>So do you have a suggestion?
>
>Most of the discussion has been about how helmets will protect you. I don’t
>think there’s been very much said about mandatory helmet laws, except from
>people who don’t want them. Mostly people are just saying things like 'wearing
>a helmet will protect you’.
>
>You can still get yourself killed no matter what you do, but I challenge you to
>show me some numbers that show helmet use has increased instance of deaths or
>injuries.
>
>Stay on top,
>
>John Foss, the Uni-Cyclone http://www.unicycling.com
>


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