Hardened Hubs?

Unicycle17@aol.com wrote:
>
> I am riding a Suzue hub, the same one that comes on the Miyata deluxe
> unicycle. I tried the NK that comes on the Semcycle but I broke one after a
> month and the other after six weeks. Tom Miller sent me two Suzue hubs and
> they never did break. The Suzue hub is half the price of the NK. I bought some
> Black Widow cranks from unicycle.com and they are working out very nicely.
>
> Idaho Joe

Is the NK (Semcycle deluxe) hub hardenable? Does anybody know its composition?
I’d like to heat treat my new one if it will help. Four weeks on a hub is way
too short.

Chris

Re: Hardened Hubs?

The DM ATU hub is definately way stronger than any other hub that is currently
commercially available (although other commercial efforts are definately
ongoing). If you can get this hub and make it fit in your uni, it is
definately the way to go. Mine has survived countless drops of up to 6 feet
without damage thus far.

-Kris.

— Chris Reeder <reed8990@uidaho.edu> wrote:
> Unicycle17@aol.com wrote:
> >
> > I am riding a Suzue hub, the same one that comes
> on the Miyata deluxe
> > unicycle. I tried the NK that comes on the
> Semcycle but I broke one after a
> > month and the other after six weeks. Tom Miller
> sent me two Suzue hubs and
> > they never did break. The Suzue hub is half the
> price of the NK. I bought
> > some Black Widow cranks from unicycle.com and they
> are working out very
> > nicely.
> >
> > Idaho Joe
>
>
> Is the NK (Semcycle deluxe) hub hardenable? Does anybody know its composition?
> I’d like to heat treat my new one if it will help. Four weeks on a hub is way
> too short.
>
> Chris
>


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RE: Hardened Hubs?

> I’ve tried DM and I’ve tried unicycle source, and there’s no way to buy the DM
> hub without buying the whole enchilada.

But it’s a great enchilada! If you can afford it, why go through the hassle of
trying to make something else fit around it? Your existing unicycle probably
won’t fit with that hub anyway, so it might be worth it.

John Foss, the Uni-Cyclone http://www.unicycling.com

“Lay down – I think I love you” - Bumper sticker seen in Sacramento

RE: Hardened Hubs?

> The ATU lacks a few things I expect in an “ideal” mountain

> not-so-common-on-mountain-bikes seat tube diameter,

This is something I hope will change on future models

> skinny rim

It seems to work great with 2.6" Gazzaloddi, but the tire will still move if you
start hopping sideways on tilted stuff.

> narrow tire clearance

Again the 2.6 fits fine, but not anything bigger.

> no seat handle,

I have to agree I’m not a fan of the Viscount seat. I just redid mine with a
Miyata seat and some reinforcement on the seat post to keep the seat (and/or
post) from breaking.

> The new Vortex has addressed most of these issues, but I still don’t like the
> frame design. It’s still made of steel (heavy) and the two skinny fork pieces
> on each side are not even connected to each other except at the bearings and
> at the seat tube (weak).

Telford and Hunter are built the same way (but with more metal, making them
heavier). I think two tubes instead of one makes it stronger, while keeping it
from banging the knees as much. So far I haven’t seen frame failure as an issue,
except on cheaper “street” unicycles.

Eventually we will work our way up to exotic materials, but I think we have to
go through these interim steps to get there. If people buy these designs, the
makers will be able to afford to build the following generations. If I hadn’t
gotten my stolen MUnis back, I definitely would have wanted the Vortex.

Thanks for your opinions, it’s the best way for the builders to learn what
people want!

John Foss, the Uni-Cyclone http://www.unicycling.com

“Lay down – I think I love you” - Bumper sticker seen in Sacramento

RE: Hardened Hubs?

Re comments about tire foldage:

> It [the DM] seems to work great with 2.6"
Gazzaloddi, but the
> tire will still move if you start hopping sideways on tilted stuff.
>
> > narrow tire clearance
>
> Again the 2.6 fits fine, but not anything bigger.
>

The Intense 2.7 inch tire just barely fits into the DM, and is much less
susceptible to tire foldover than the Gazzaloddi (laterally it is much stiffer).
It comes in 3 rubber hardnesses, the medium one seems to be the best compromise
between grip and durability.

-Kris.


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RE: Hardened Hubs?

> The Intense 2.7 inch tire just barely fits into the DM, and is much less
> susceptible to tire foldover than the Gazzaloddi (laterally it is much
> stiffer). It comes in 3 rubber hardnesses, the medium one seems to be the best
> compromise between grip and durability.

I have a picture of this tire (on Kris’ unicycle) on my Photo Album “Santa Cruz
and Sea Otter, March 2000”: http://www.unicycling.com/ofoto/

When my Gazz wears out, I’d like to try one. Any hints on where to look?

Thanks, jf

RE: Hardened Hubs?

I was comparing it to the Gazz 2.6. I believe Intense also makes a 3" but I’ve
never used it (currently I don’t have a frame that fits 3" tires- otherwise I’d
be riding on a 24x3 right now, possibly with the Intense 3").

-Kris

— Chris Reeder <reed8990@uidaho.edu> wrote:
> Kris, Just curious, are you comparing the Intense 2.7 to the Gazz 3" or
> the Gazz
> 2.6"?
>
> Chris
>
>
>
> On Tue, 11 Apr 2000, Kris Holm wrote:
>
> > Re comments about tire foldage:
> >
> > > It [the DM] seems to work great with 2.6"
> > Gazzaloddi, but the
> > > tire will still move if you start hopping sideways on tilted stuff.
> > >
> > > > narrow tire clearance
> > >
> > > Again the 2.6 fits fine, but not anything
> bigger.
> > >
> >
> > The Intense 2.7 inch tire just barely fits into
> the
> > DM, and is much less susceptible to tire foldover
> than
> > the Gazzaloddi (laterally it is much stiffer). It comes in 3 rubber
> > hardnesses, the medium one seems
> to
> > be the best compromise between grip and
> durability.
> >
> > -Kris.
> >
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Re: Hardened Hubs?

Kris Holm wrote:
>
> The DM ATU hub is definately way stronger than any other hub that is currently
> commercially available (although other commercial efforts are definately
> ongoing). If you can get this hub and make it fit in your uni, it is
> definately the way to go. Mine has survived countless drops of up to 6 feet
> without damage thus far.
>
> -Kris.

I’ve tried DM and I’ve tried unicycle source, and there’s no way to buy the DM
hub without buying the whole enchilada. Unfortunate.

Chris

RE: Hardened Hubs?

The ATU lacks a few things I expect in an “ideal” mountain machine. It has a
not-so-common number of spokes, not-so-common-on-mountain-bikes seat tube
diameter, skinny rim, narrow tire clearance,no seat handle, steel frame, etc.
The new Vortex has addressed most of these issues, but I still don’t like the
frame design. It’s still made of steel (heavy) and the two skinny fork pieces on
each side are not even connected to each other except at the bearings and at the
seat tube (weak).

But hey, it does have the right axle.

Chris

On Mon, 10 Apr 2000, John Foss wrote:

> > I’ve tried DM and I’ve tried unicycle source, and there’s no way to buy the
> > DM hub without buying the whole enchilada.
>
> But it’s a great enchilada! If you can afford it, why go through the hassle of
> trying to make something else fit around it? Your existing unicycle probably
> won’t fit with that hub anyway, so it might be worth it.
>
> John Foss, the Uni-Cyclone http://www.unicycling.com
>
> “Lay down – I think I love you” - Bumper sticker seen in Sacramento

RE: Hardened Hubs?

Kris, Just curious, are you comparing the Intense 2.7 to the Gazz 3" or the Gazz
2.6"?

Chris

On Tue, 11 Apr 2000, Kris Holm wrote:

> Re comments about tire foldage:
>
> > It [the DM] seems to work great with 2.6"
> Gazzaloddi, but the
> > tire will still move if you start hopping sideways on tilted stuff.
> >
> > > narrow tire clearance
> >
> > Again the 2.6 fits fine, but not anything bigger.
> >
>
> The Intense 2.7 inch tire just barely fits into the DM, and is much less
> susceptible to tire foldover than the Gazzaloddi (laterally it is much
> stiffer). It comes in 3 rubber hardnesses, the medium one seems to be the best
> compromise between grip and durability.
>
> -Kris.
>
> __________________________________________________
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Re: Hardened Hubs?

I have a carbon fibre miyata seat on my DM (from unicycle source). I have the
holes drilled to accept a standard Viscount type bolt pattern. It didn’t take
long to put together either.

I am quite happy with the seat.

Regards, Bronson

“Chris Reeder” <reed8990@uidaho.edu> wrote in message
news:38F0EDAE.AE775EF7@uidaho.edu
> Kris Holm wrote:
> >
> > The DM ATU hub is definately way stronger than any other hub that is
> > currently commercially available (although other commercial efforts are
> > definately ongoing). If you can get this hub and make it fit in your uni, it
> > is definately the way to go. Mine has survived countless drops of up to 6
> > feet without damage thus far.
> >
> > -Kris.
>
>
> I’ve tried DM and I’ve tried unicycle source, and there’s no way to buy the DM
> hub without buying the whole enchilada. Unfortunate.
>
> Chris

Re: Hardened Hubs?

Hey can you get a carbon fibre miyata seat that will fit a semcycle drill
pattern??? “Bronson Silva” <bsilva1234@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:lwrI4.4720$q67.124540@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net
> I have a carbon fibre miyata seat on my DM (from unicycle source). I have the
> holes drilled to accept a standard Viscount type bolt pattern. It didn’t take
> long to put together either.
>
> I am quite happy with the seat.
>
> Regards, Bronson
>
>
> “Chris Reeder” <reed8990@uidaho.edu> wrote in message
> news:38F0EDAE.AE775EF7@uidaho.edu
> > Kris Holm wrote:
> > >
> > > The DM ATU hub is definately way stronger than any other hub that is
> > > currently commercially available (although other commercial efforts are
> > > definately ongoing). If you can get this hub and make it fit in your uni,
> > > it is definately the way to go. Mine has survived countless drops of up to
> > > 6 feet without damage thus far.
> > >
> > > -Kris.
> >
> >
> > I’ve tried DM and I’ve tried unicycle source, and there’s no way to buy the
> > DM hub without buying the whole enchilada. Unfortunate.
> >
> > Chris
>

Re: Hardened Hubs?

Jacob Koski wrote:

> Hey can you get a carbon fibre miyata seat that will fit a semcycle drill
> pattern??? “Bronson Silva” <bsilva1234@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:lwrI4.4720$q67.124540@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net
> > I have a carbon fibre miyata seat on my DM (from unicycle source). I
have
> > the holes drilled to accept a standard Viscount type bolt pattern. It didn’t
> > take long to put together either.

Yes it should be possible without much of a problem, the hole patterns for
Viscount and Sem are very similar. I have not added a Viscount/Sem pattern to
the template, would people like that?

Roger


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Re: Hardened Hubs?

The carbon fiber seat bodies are not drilled. So you can drill whatever pattern
you like. $56 I believe at unicyclesource.com

On Mon, 17 Apr 2000, Jacob Koski wrote:

> Hey can you get a carbon fibre miyata seat that will fit a semcycle drill
> pattern??? “Bronson Silva” <bsilva1234@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:lwrI4.4720$q67.124540@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net
> > I have a carbon fibre miyata seat on my DM (from unicycle source). I have
> > the holes drilled to accept a standard Viscount type bolt pattern. It didn’t
> > take long to put together either.
> >
> > I am quite happy with the seat.
> >
> > Regards, Bronson
> >
> >
> > “Chris Reeder” <reed8990@uidaho.edu> wrote in message
> > news:38F0EDAE.AE775EF7@uidaho.edu
> > > Kris Holm wrote:
> > > >
> > > > The DM ATU hub is definately way stronger than any other hub that is
> > > > currently commercially available (although other commercial efforts are
> > > > definately ongoing). If you can get this hub and make it fit in your
> > > > uni, it is definately the way to go. Mine has survived countless drops
> > > > of up to 6 feet without damage thus far.
> > > >
> > > > -Kris.
> > >
> > >
> > > I’ve tried DM and I’ve tried unicycle source, and there’s no way to buy
> > > the DM hub without buying the whole enchilada. Unfortunate.
> > >
> > > Chris
> >
> >
>
>
>

Re: Hardened Hubs?

On Mon, 17 Apr 2000, unicycleSourceUK wrote:

> Jacob Koski wrote:
>
>
> > Hey can you get a carbon fibre miyata seat that will fit a semcycle drill
> > pattern??? “Bronson Silva” <bsilva1234@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:lwrI4.4720$q67.124540@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net
> > > I have a carbon fibre miyata seat on my DM (from unicycle source). I
> have
> > > the holes drilled to accept a standard Viscount type bolt pattern. It
> > > didn’t take long to put together either.
>
> Yes it should be possible without much of a problem, the hole patterns for
> Viscount and Sem are very similar. I have not added a Viscount/Sem pattern to
> the template, would people like that?

Speaking of carbon fiber seats, I have one and Neil Younggren (another club
member has one). We are really happy with them. They are really strong (no flex)
and feel much better when riding with them. Neil, a machinist, did all the work
getting them to fit perfectly with the Miyata bumbers and seat post. I had him
write up notes on all the work he did on them so I could post it to the
internet. I even took some pictures of before and after that I could scan in.
Maybe I can get to it this week.

-Andy


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Consultant to China - http://www.unicycling.org/iuf/unicon10/ Unicycling Society
of America, VP - http://www.unicycling.org/usa Twin City Unicycle Club, Pres -
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