Happy Birthday Abe, Charles, and Chris!

Had they lived to today, Abraham Lincoln and Charles Darwin would have celebrated their 200th Birthdays today. It’s also my little sister’s birthday, but you don’t know her and she doesn’t lurke here, so we’ll just leave that one alone except to say she’s much younger than Abe or Chaz.

Also 150 years since Darwin wrote On The Origin Of Species. Who would have though that after all these years he’s best known for the Darwin Award, named after him.

And Google chose to celebrate Darwin.

I just got this from the State of Florida on one of the e-mail lists I am on due to my professional licensing:

February 12, 2009

Dear Floridian:

Today is a day to reflect upon two of the most historic events in the timeline of our nation.

Two hundred years ago, Abraham Lincoln, the sixteenth President of the United States, was born in Hardin County, Kentucky. The bicentennial celebration of his birth is inspiring, for it reminds us not only of his achievements, but of his beginnings: on February 12, 1809, the man who would fundamentally change the direction and purpose of our nation was barely a day old.

One hundred years ago, in a small apartment in New York, a multiracial group of progressive thinkers came together with a vision of an America free from racial oppression. Although slavery had, at that time, been abolished for 40 years, segregation was standard and notions of equality were nonexistent. Out of that meeting, the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People was born.

The remarkable achievements resulting from the anniversaries we celebrate today started small, and there were obstacles along the way. Abraham Lincoln lost a U.S. Senate race before he was elected President, and it was over fifty years after that first meeting in New York for African Americans to be granted civil rights. However, these milestones exemplify the progression of freedom that makes our country great.

Now, with President Obama serving as the first African American president in our nation’s history, there couldn’t be a more exciting time to recognize a legacy 200 years in the making. I hope today, and throughout this Black History Month, you take time to remember the visionaries and trailblazers who fought to make it possible.

Watcha think?

Google is liberal, if you haven’t noticed. :sunglasses:

February 12 is a day to remember two individual people, whether or not their influence had been good or bad.

…and Kempton, my next door neighbor as a kid.

Oh yeah, and him too.

:thinking:

Yeah. He’s really liberal AND it’s his birthday today. Why the confusion?

I don’t know him.

Although progressive for his time, Lincoln was a racist who signed the Emancipation Proclamation in order to cripple the Southern economy, which was dependent on slavery…which is why the Emancipation Proclamation didn’t free the Northern slaves. It also gave Lincoln a moral imperative to win the war in the eyes of many citizens, thus gaining him more support from both abolitionists and freed slaves, who would presumably (and did) join the war effort in one way or another, after being freed.

I don’t think it was about “freeing the slaves” as much as it was about winning the war.

Lincoln DID preserve the Union, which he can and should be commended for…but signing the EP was more of a political and strategic move, rather than a ideological one.

Although undoubtedly a big issue at the time, I do not believe the Civil War was fought over slavery. It was an issue, but certainly not the issue, as many textbooks would lead you to believe. But then again, the textbooks I’ve read were written by northerners.

Is it as simple as that?

I stumbled upon an online discussion at the Washington Post with Henry Louis Gates Jr, editor in chief of The Root. they were discussing this essay; here are some quotes from the essay:

Read the essay and discussion. Watcha think?

@ UniBrier

I read the whole article - twice.

I also read most of the commentary, which seemed to be some people calling each other racists, fakes, and vaguely debating affirmative action. Not sure of the relevance of this commentary, though, I didn’t read all of the comments.

So what I gathered from the essay was that the author believed that Lincoln “started out” rather racist, but in the end was less racist?

and

I guess this is what bothers me the most…the pedestal that Lincoln has been put up on.

Here, I question whether abolition was part of “Lincoln’s moral compass.” I guess I’m not sold on the idea that his abolitionist ideas were based on ideology or morality.

I don’t buy this. I believe that in that day and age, the “N-word” was the same as you or I saying “black,” or “African American.” It was the correct term to use, and only decades later has its meaning evolved to become an offensive, racial slur.

Moral justification for abolition on the basis of equality? This passage supports otherwise. In fact, it supports my assertion that a lack of slaves would severely hinder a region’s economy.

In today’s age, doesn’t it seem absurdly backward that Lincoln thought slavery was discrimination against white men?!

The author tries to reconcile this somewhat with the following passage:

Of course he had doubts about their ability to fight! The North was losing the war and needed more soldiers wherever they could get them! The author even asserts that here:

The author began the article talking about Lincoln was a hero for ending slavery and whatnot. He then spend two pages talking about all the racist stuff he did. Then, the author tries to bring things full-circle with:

I doing so, the author tries to end the essay with a positive spin on Lincoln…even though the quote itself is racist (the idea that only some black people are intelligent enough to vote?)

I think the author effectively described Lincoln’s attitudes about racism, but still tried to bookend everything with a positive spin. The last sentence of the essay says:

So, his overt and blatant racism is somehow “interesting” and “noble?” My only conclusion is that the author is either himself racist, or clinging to an irrational and idealized Lincoln.

I’m not trying to assert that Lincoln was a bad man or that he didn’t do good things for the Union and, perhaps somewhat inadvertently, for the abolitionist movement. All I’m trying to say is that he isn’t the civil rights hero that he’s been painted up to be.