Look, i’m really not trying to push Christianity, all I’m trying to do is get people to realize that they AREN’T entirely innocent childrens books, being made into entirely innocent movies.
It’s called research. It’s called reading interviews that pullman had with other people.
EDIT: I also don’t want to boycott the movie. I am ONLY trying to inform people of what they will be seeing when they choose to go see it. I in all honesty would go see it, if I didn’t have to buy Christmas presents.
i dont think so, i think people would have no morals. I think the world would be a much better place if people didn’t do bad things
The good things about good books is that you can re-read those with different perspectives.
authors as different as Jack Vance and Salman Rushdie could be read as well as anti-religious and as sympathetic to believers … this unstable ambiguity makes them great writers.
If he did that, I couldn’t see it in the articles you linked to in your post. Bill Donohue is quoted for saying that the movie is going to have that effect.
It looks like Pullman has made no secret of how he feels about religion.
I quote here from one of your links (emphasis added by me):
"Pullman has left little doubt about his books’ intended thrust in discussions of his works, such as noting in a 2003 interview that “My books are about killing God” and in a 2001 interview that he was “trying to undermine the basis of Christian belief.”
They’re definitely not innocent. They’re for people who are at least Lyras age, and who are able to look critically at what they see and read.
im walking out the door right now to see this
ill post back with a review when i get back
THIS MOVIE IS TERRIBLE!!!
if you somewhat enjoyed the book, do not see the movie. The special effects were good, but the story line got butchered!! They even changed one o the characters name’s!
Yeah the storyline definitely got butchered. They took out all of the interesting parts of the book and tied together everything very loosely.
I was mainly dissapointed by the how they changed Iorek’s history and the whole Svalbard scene.
I think they changed Iofur’s name b/c it sounded too much like Iorek and I guess they were dumbing down the movie, which is quite opposite to the way Pullman wrote the book. He didn’t believe in dumbing down literature for children. The movie was way too short and they did a poor job at portraying the characters…so you didn’t really care for anyone in the movie.
Also…they didn’t focus on the main part of the first book…the aurora. They hardly mentioned the Northern Lights and its mystery and importance. That was what made the first book so interesting to me as a kid, and they hardly even touched on that in the movie.
I wonder what people who haven’t read the book and saw the movie think about it?
Do you actually believe that ANY book–for children or adults–is “entirely innocent”? That is, that they could be free of any overarching and/or undergirding ideology? That really is a naive perspective. The books that you may think of as “innocent” absolutely are not; rather, they are so effective at describing and maintaining the cultural status quo that their ideologies are, effectively, invisible to the reader. It’s only when a book does what Pullman’s series does–i.e., questions the status quo–that the ideology suddenly becomes so much easier to see.
Think about some innocuous production for kids. The TV show Barney, for instance. Do you think it’s innocent? Hardly. It reinforces some attitudes that come across as harmless (like the importance of following directions, or something like that), but it’s probably simultaneously imbuing children with the belief that they must always look to adults for permission to act. This is bad because, as Susan Ohanian (an educator and writer) recounts, she was left in her car as a child by her father, who told her not to leave the car while he ran into his office to get something. While he was gone, the car caught fire, and Ohanian relates how she moved around in the passenger compartment to stay away from the flames, but didn’t leave the car. When her father returned a few minutes later, he was able to get her out, but she was in significant danger. She talks about how she thought the fire was a test to see if she’d follow directions, and was proud of how well she did. I don’t think that any time we try to create absolutes in the minds of our children we’re doing them a service; they need to be able to understand the gray areas of this world, and attain the skills to navigate through things that don’t conform to what they might have been expecting.
Yes, and Christianity helps me a lot with being a better person. Reading through the Bible shows me things that I need to reconsider and makes me think about my person a lot more. As I read the Bible, it reads me, if that makes sense.
Im still interested in this movie. My interest for it perked even more once I heard about it and what has been spoken about it in this thread.
As I think I mentioned previously, never read the books don’t intend to either and I thought the movie was ok at best. I didn’t really see any major point to the plot and it lacked suspense, there was no real build up to any sort of grand ending or revelation, just seemed like lots of scenes strung together. It all seemed a bit to targeted for kids to me.
Catholics and other religious groups have organized boycotts of The Golden Compass, a film based on a children’s book by an avowed atheist. What are their complaints?
haha
wait a minute…
Apparently it’s up on Google video, among other places.
You didn’t hear it from me though.
also here, but the quality sucks
Dude, I didn’t link to it for a reason…the feds are probably reading this right now, and now that you posted it, they’ll probably target all unicyclists as potential terrorists.
Haha.
I tried reading the book a few years ago, but gave up shortly. Then I went to see the movie now, and I liked it. The bear fight was majestic:)