Giraffe-sized questions

I am considering the purchase of a 6’ Savage giraffe, and have heard that the Savage seats really are savage and should all be incinerated :smiley: (no, not really incinerated… just used less). I noticed that there are links to a United post and a seat post sizer on the display page for this giraffe on unicycle.com. Now for the questions.

Is the Savage seat really as bad as people say?

Does the Savage frame require the sizer to fit the United post?

What length post do I need if I am 6’ tall myself? (I’m guessing 400mm)

Is it possible to use a Viscount seat/post combination? Which post would I need to get? (oh, just looked, looks like a United post will work… correct me if I’m wrong)

What exactly do you recommend?

Thanks for any help!

Re: Giraffe-sized questions

I still have stretch marks on my inner thigh from the Savage seat I learned on back in 88’. No joke. They look like those striations caused by obesity gain and loss. You’ve been warned.

Christopher

Here is what you should get- savage with a viscount seat.
The viscount is a good seat, but you wont mind dropping it. The united seats are a bit too small for an adult rider. They are good and all, but you will be more comfortable on the viscount. Spend the extra couple bucks, its worth it. The seat posts fit fine in th frame.
-David Kaplan

Ok, thanks muchly for the replies, and now an additional question. Is it possible to remove the savage seat from its post and replace it with just the viscount seat, or do I need to buy an additional seatpost?

Ok, thanks muchly for the replies, and now an additional question. Is it possible to remove the savage seat from its post and replace it with just the viscount seat, or do I need to buy an additional seatpost?

Tron-

I think you can buy a Savage giraffe at unicycle.com with a viscount saddle. Here is a link (hope it doesn’t split).

http://www.unicycle.com/shopping/shopdisplayproducts.asp?id=1&subcat=8&cat=Giraffes+(TALL)

Maybe you found another source or are buying it used in which case you already knew this.

I did notice that you can purchase the 5-footers with different seats, but I do want to go with the 6-footer. I don’t see why they wouldn’t… so I’ll ask! Thanks for the pointers…

Are you sure you want the 6 footer? If I was to buy a giraffe again I’d get a 5’ instead of a 6’. With a 5 footer I’d have a fighting chance of learning to free mount it. With the 6 footer that I have now I have never learned how to free mount. I’ve managed to actually get my butt in the saddle once or twice when trying to free mount, but never anything close to a successful free mount. With a 5 footer I think I probably could learn to free mount the thing.

But then, you’re young and have more spring in your legs than I do so you would have a better chance of learning to free mount a 6 footer.

john_childs

In article <a4eson$gha$1@laurel.tc.umn.edu>, john_childs <forum.member@unicyclist.com> wrote:
>
> Are you sure you want the 6 footer? If I was to buy a giraffe again
> I’d get a 5’ instead of a 6’. With a 5 footer I’d have a fighting
> chance of learning to free mount it. With the 6 footer that I have
> now I have never learned how to free mount. I’ve managed to actually
> get my butt in the saddle once or twice when trying to free mount, but
> never anything close to a successful free mount. With a 5 footer I
> think I probably could learn to free mount the thing.

i’ve got a fiver footer (well, five-ish but where do you mesure a giraffe from anyway)
and i learned to freemount (the easy way) within about a week.

five footers can be mounted the easy way or the hard way

the easy way is to start with your dominant foot on the pedal, hand on seat and just pull yourself up.

or the hard way, with your subordinate foot on the wheel, holding seat, then launch up and put your dominant foot on the pedal,

i can do the hard way on a five footer, but i spent a whole afternoon trying to do the same on greg milsteins 6footer with only a hint of success (i got onto the seat once but didn’t manage to pull it into an idle or ride away) i could probably learn though, with enough time on a 6 footer.

if your having problems with a 6 footer i’d recomend getting your hands on a 5 footer for long enough to learn on, then go back to the 6 footer.

back to the thread though, seats are especialy important for freemounting, a friend of mine learnt on a 6 foot dm giraffe and got used to using the loops on the seat, when he lost his seat he spent ages re leaning with the viscount seat,

perhap there should be a special seat for girrafes, or a rear version of the unicycle handle,
or even just a viscount seat with bumpers that didn’t fall off at the mere sugestion of a drop.

>
> But then,
> you’re young and have more spring in your legs than I do so you would
> have a better chance of learning to free mount a 6 footer.
> john_childs
>
>
> tron wrote:
> > but I do want to go with the 6-footer.
>
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> john_childs
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UMX aka ewancycle

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> > chance of learning to free mount it. With the 6 footer that I have
> > now I have never learned how to free mount.

The freemount is there. You just have to find it. It’s probably the first
“hard” trick I learned.

> or the hard way, with your subordinate foot on the wheel,
> holding seat, then launch up and put your dominant foot on the pedal,

Actually I do it with my feet opposite; dominant on the tire, non-dominant
on the bottom pedal. But I think this is more a factor of where the chain
is. Since the chain is on the right, you’re probably going to mount on the
left. At least that’s how we learned.

> i can do the hard way on a five footer, but i spent a whole
> afternoon trying to do the same on greg milsteins 6footer
> with only a hint of success

Hey! Say hi to Greg from me if you see him again. Getting that mount on a 6’
is more a question of whether you’re tall enough. If you’re not, you’re just
going to hurt yourself trying to reach. But if you can get your foot on the
bottom pedal, the rest is a piece of cake. Something John Childs might want
to try on his 6’.

> back to the thread though, seats are especialy important for
> freemounting, a friend of mine learnt on a 6 foot dm giraffe
> and got used to using the loops on the seat, when he lost his
> seat he spent ages re leaning with the viscount seat,

Strange, I never used anything fancy, probably because our giraffes were
Schwinns and they just had the vinyl seat cover (like Greg’s). So the type
of seat doesn’t matter unless you’ve been taking advantage of something
sticking out of it.

(from a different thread)

> a bit of steel “L” section whacked with a hammer till
> it fits. pitfalls: scrapes gym floors solutions: lots
> of finishing, thick rubbery paint. good points: easy
> to make, rock solid

Don’t do it. Even coating metal with rubber will only last until a few drops
on pavement. You’ll never be able to use it indoors without leaving a bad
“impression” for all unicyclists.

> a bit of rubber from a car tyre. pitfalls: may not be
> the right shape, may leave trousers black solutions:
> try lots of diferent tyres, coat with flexible paint/
> laquer good points: cheap to make , bouncy

I think this is a much more viable choice. One tire provides lots of bumpers
(or use dead bike/unicycle tires). Put Armorall or a similar protectant or
coating on it to keep it from being too grippy. I don’t think it’ll make
black marks, except if it falls hard on a wood floor.

> copy the design from the metal loops that some dm seats have.

I wouldn’t–metal is bad. It will get chewed up and scratch the floor and
you.

> my other criteria is that it looks nice. which may rule
> out the rubber bumpers.

Use a nice-looking tire.

> everyones feedback will be apreciated.(if i’m reinventg
> the wheel i’d like to know,

The rubber idea would surely be cheaper, but another solid route is to
replace your Viscount with a Miyata seat. Or wait for the one coming from
Velo to see how it turns out…

Stay on top,
John Foss, the Uni-Cyclone
jfoss@unicycling.com
www.unicycling.com

“You’re not supposed to wash your Roach armor” - Nathan Hoover, on safety
equipment cleaning methods

> > chance of learning to free mount it. With the 6 footer that I have
> > now I have never learned how to free mount.

The freemount is there. You just have to find it. It’s probably the first
“hard” trick I learned.

> or the hard way, with your subordinate foot on the wheel,
> holding seat, then launch up and put your dominant foot on the pedal,

Actually I do it with my feet opposite; dominant on the tire, non-dominant
on the bottom pedal. But I think this is more a factor of where the chain
is. Since the chain is on the right, you’re probably going to mount on the
left. At least that’s how we learned.

> i can do the hard way on a five footer, but i spent a whole
> afternoon trying to do the same on greg milsteins 6footer
> with only a hint of success

Hey! Say hi to Greg from me if you see him again. Getting that mount on a 6’
is more a question of whether you’re tall enough. If you’re not, you’re just
going to hurt yourself trying to reach. But if you can get your foot on the
bottom pedal, the rest is a piece of cake. Something John Childs might want
to try on his 6’.

> back to the thread though, seats are especialy important for
> freemounting, a friend of mine learnt on a 6 foot dm giraffe
> and got used to using the loops on the seat, when he lost his
> seat he spent ages re leaning with the viscount seat,

Strange, I never used anything fancy, probably because our giraffes were
Schwinns and they just had the vinyl seat cover (like Greg’s). So the type
of seat doesn’t matter unless you’ve been taking advantage of something
sticking out of it.

(from a different thread)

> a bit of steel “L” section whacked with a hammer till
> it fits. pitfalls: scrapes gym floors solutions: lots
> of finishing, thick rubbery paint. good points: easy
> to make, rock solid

Don’t do it. Even coating metal with rubber will only last until a few drops
on pavement. You’ll never be able to use it indoors without leaving a bad
“impression” for all unicyclists.

> a bit of rubber from a car tyre. pitfalls: may not be
> the right shape, may leave trousers black solutions:
> try lots of diferent tyres, coat with flexible paint/
> laquer good points: cheap to make , bouncy

I think this is a much more viable choice. One tire provides lots of bumpers
(or use dead bike/unicycle tires). Put Armorall or a similar protectant or
coating on it to keep it from being too grippy. I don’t think it’ll make
black marks, except if it falls hard on a wood floor.

> copy the design from the metal loops that some dm seats have.

I wouldn’t–metal is bad. It will get chewed up and scratch the floor and
you.

> my other criteria is that it looks nice. which may rule
> out the rubber bumpers.

Use a nice-looking tire.

> everyones feedback will be apreciated.(if i’m reinventg
> the wheel i’d like to know,

The rubber idea would surely be cheaper, but another solid route is to
replace your Viscount with a Miyata seat. Or wait for the one coming from
Velo to see how it turns out…

Stay on top,
John Foss, the Uni-Cyclone
jfoss@unicycling.com
www.unicycling.com

“You’re not supposed to wash your Roach armor” - Nathan Hoover, on safety
equipment cleaning methods

I’ve been thinking about getting a 5 footer so I could practice the free mount.

My main problem is that I don’t practice riding the giraffe much at all. I roll it out every once and a while just for kicks, but I haven’t done any practice time on it in years. I’ve got too many distractions with my muni and other unicycles.

I am able to free mount my mini giraffe. :slight_smile:
It’s harder than you would think to free mount it when it is in mini-mode (seat down way too short for my height). It’s hard to get your foot on the pedal when your butt is in the way.

john_childs

I’m happy to mount the 6 foot giraffe I have now using the weenie approach by (essentially) climbing a tree. I can ride around my neighborhood for a mile or so and just make one u-turn and never encounter a stop sign.

I agree with John Foss that freemounting should be done on the side opposite the chain. That means that I have to weak-foot freemount this thing but, with the chain where it is, that seems more natural to me anyway. I am easily able to step on the tire with the dominant foot and step on the weak pedal (which is down) and then stand to full height without wobbling the unicycle around. I am just unable so far to take that leap of faith and swing my dominant leg over the saddle and try to find the other pedal.