Giraffe pole-vault mount

Hey (down) there,

I’m currently working on my giraffe (it’s an interesting job, I tell you), and the next thing I want to learn is the “pole-vault” or running mount. Thanks to some videos in the gallery (can’t remember the name to credit him), I have seen how it is done and feel confident that with some practice I can nail it. The one concern I have is the structural integrity of my Savage 6-footer…

I have read some archives and came to understand that this mount can be stressful on the frame. Is the savage 6-footer strong enough to handle this mount (especially in training mode)?

Thanks in advance for the advice!

Re: Giraffe pole-vault mount

tron.6ok6z@timelimit.unicyclist.com writes:
>
>Hey (down) there,
>
>I’m currently working on my giraffe (it’s an interesting job, I tell
>you), and the next thing I want to learn is the “pole-vault” or running
>mount. Thanks to some videos in the gallery (can’t remember the name to
>credit him), I have seen how it is done and feel confident that with
>some practice I can nail it. The one concern I have is the structural
>integrity of my Savage 6-footer…
>
>I have read some archives and came to understand that this mount can be
>stressful on the frame. Is the savage 6-footer strong enough to handle
>this mount (especially in training mode)?
If done correctly, this mount isn’t too stressful to the frame. The
problem is that learning it isn’t easy; some of the attempts might stress
the axle or, worse, the frame. I really don’t think it’ll be a problem,
tho. There are two guys in my club who ride giraffes, and theirs were in
awful shape and still held up really well after many years of abuse. Then
they broke, but that’s another story.

Jump-mounting a 6’ giraffe and pole vaulting both require running fast
while holding something taller than yourself and then jumping. I should
mention that really good free-mounters are able to do it in just a few
steps and that it’s less about speed than about correct body motion. I can
nail this mount half the time at least, but I still use a fast run to lead
into it, and others have told me that the wheel and pedals are spinning
pretty fast when I jump, making it look really difficult. So it’s also a
lot about timing. I developed for myself a funny little 5-step run which
starts while I hold the giraffe a certain way. You may need to figure out
a pattern for yourself. Good luck.

David Stone

Co-founder, Unatics of NY
1st Sunday / 3rd Saturday
@ Central Park Bandshell
1:30 start time after 11/1/01

RE: Giraffe pole-vault mount

> I have read some archives and came to understand that this mount can be
> stressful on the frame. Is the savage 6-footer strong enough to handle
> this mount (especially in training mode)?

David Stone had some good advice. Here’s mine:

Normally I would say this does stress the frame, but when David said it
didn’t put too much stress on, I thought about it. It really isn’t too bad,
at least when you do it right. It’s the learning process that can
potentially put on a lot of wear and tear. The biggest stress is in the
drivetrain, namely the chain. The other point of stress is the joint between
your seat post and the crank barrel/bottom bracket. Check this area
periodically for cracks. When giraffe frames break, it’s almost always
there.

Once upon a time, I learned to do this mount one-footed on my Schwinn
Giraffe. It’s the same mount, only a lot harder because you can’t use the
top pedal to pull back. In the process of learning that one, I bent my seat
post. A lesser giraffe would probably have failed under the pressure.

So stick to the both-footed version.

I don’t move very fast forward when I do the mount; something like jogging
speed at the most. Practice outdoors, because your tire may not grip on a
smooth floor (and it also might make horrendous skid marks!).

The hard part is matching your foot up with the pedal at the right point,
and doing it with the commitment of weight and force to carry you up there.
Work your way up to this slowly. David’s five-step method sounds similar to
the little ritual I developed. Just something to coordinate the feet with
the pedals so you’re ready to jump when they’re in position. I think The
pedals are about perpendicular to the unicycle’s frame when I do this. This
means horizontal in relation to the unicycle, not to the ground.

The jump up provides half the force. The second half is provided by pedaling
backwards as you’re on your way up. I usually give the wheel a whole
revolution backwards, or maybe more, to finish the mount. The audience
doesn’t care. They just sit there with their mouths open, expecting me to
die or something.

The better you get at the back-pedaling part, the less force you’ll need for
the initial jump. Also, if you have access to a shorter giraffe, learning on
that one first will probably make the mount a lot easier.

In the end though, it’s just like riding one foot. There comes a point where
you just have to go for it. Prepare well for this time, and you should be
able to handle it safely.

Once you get that mount, you guys can try the side-jump mount. This was my
one and only unique trick when I went to my first unicycle meet, the 1980
USA Nationals. Stand next to giraffe with mounting pedal at the bottom.
Holding onto the seat, jump directly from the ground up to that pedal. Then
stand up, and put your other leg around the front of the seat (like a side
mount). It’s fun! But don’t waste it on a show audience, they won’t realize
you’re doing something harder than a “regular” mount… :slight_smile:

Stay on top,
John Foss, the Uni-Cyclone
jfoss@unicycling.com

“If we are what we eat, then I’m easy, fast, and cheap!”

Thanks to both of you very much. Tonight I plan to put a bit of gear on and tackle the technique.

As for you Mr. Foss, you’re the reason this newsgroup is bad for me. I buy a giraffe. I know that it can be freemounted. I manage to do that, and I think to myself, “man, there sure isn’t a whole lot more to do on a giraffe… that wasn’t so bad.” Then I do a bit of searching and learn of two more mounts. The pole-vault and the frog mount. I figured the pole-vault would be possible, but you describe the frog mount very well: “I can think of better ways to hurt myself.” Now you throw the side mount at me, and I also recently learned of a “suicide mount” for the giraffe. And I thought I was top dog when I managed that on my 20". Hah!

:slight_smile:

I really do appreciate and encourage your advice!

RE: Giraffe pole-vault mount

> Now you throw the side mount at me,

That’s a side-jump mount. Or perhaps more accurate, a jump-side mount. I
suppose you should first get comfortable with a regular giraffe side mount,
which is where you climb up the usual way, but put your second leg around
the front of the seat instead of around back. This is not a big step from
the regular mount, especially if you’re comfortable doing it on a regular
unicycle first.

> and I also recently learned of a “suicide mount” for
> the giraffe.

Which one is that? By name, it should be the beginning of a regular mount
(stepping onto the tire), followed by a jump with both feet to horizontal
pedals, and the seat, at the same time. That one’s fun, and maybe a little
less scary than the side-jump/jump-side mount.

Have fun,
JF

>> Now you throw the side mount at me,

>That’s a side-jump mount. Or perhaps more accurate, a jump-side mount.

Oh.

>> and I also recently learned of a “suicide mount” for
>> the giraffe.

>Which one is that? By name, it should be the beginning of a regular mount
>(stepping onto the tire), followed by a jump with both feet to horizontal
>pedals, and the seat, at the same time. That one’s fun, and maybe a little
>less scary than the side-jump/jump-side mount.

That’s the one! I almost tried out the jump-side mount yesterday, but after realizing how many guts it takes I think I need a few more. I did work on the pole-vault mount, however, and actually got up to an azimuth of over 45 degrees multiple times, and one time of about 85 degrees. I was pretty pumped. I do have one question with that though. Right now I’m still in the confidence-building stage, which means I just have my hands on the seat. When is the best time to move the part that’s supposed to be on the seat onto the seat? Or is it just fine to mount seat-in-front / seat-under-hands?

All of your advice has been helpful with the mount in general though. Except the part where you advised to practice outside… the street is rather new and dusty where I’m at, so if I don’t get a good upward jump and get high enough above the giraffe before I put my weight on the pedal, I do the pole-slide-ride-dismount, a cool trick in itself. I developed my own version of the approach… just 3 steps… small, bigger, big/jump and onto pedal. It’s about jogging speed, as John said.

Thanks again!

RE: Giraffe pole-vault mount

> I’m still in the confidence-building stage, which means I just have my
> hands on the seat. When is the best time to move the part that’s
> supposed to be on the seat onto the seat? Or is it just fine to mount
> seat-in-front / seat-under-hands?

I never tried it seat in front. Good idea! But I suppose that way has its
own degree of scariness. For me I’m pretty sure it goes pedal, seat, other
pedal. All of these are in pretty rapid succession, because you need that
second pedal to complete the motion of bringing you up straight.

> Except the part where you advised to practice outside… the street is
> rather new and dusty where I’m at, so if I don’t get a good
> upward jump and get high enough above the giraffe before I
> put my weight on the pedal, I do the pole-slide-ride-dismount,

Okay, outside and not on dusty pavement. Anything sufficiently grippy will
do.

> I developed my own version of the approach… just 3 steps…
> small, bigger, big/jump and onto pedal.

Sounds similar to mine.

Stay on top,
JF

RE: Giraffe pole-vault mount

> I’m still in the confidence-building stage, which means I just have my
> hands on the seat. When is the best time to move the part that’s
> supposed to be on the seat onto the seat? Or is it just fine to mount
> seat-in-front / seat-under-hands?

I never tried it seat in front. Good idea! But I suppose that way has its
own degree of scariness. For me I’m pretty sure it goes pedal, seat, other
pedal. All of these are in pretty rapid succession, because you need that
second pedal to complete the motion of bringing you up straight.

> Except the part where you advised to practice outside… the street is
> rather new and dusty where I’m at, so if I don’t get a good
> upward jump and get high enough above the giraffe before I
> put my weight on the pedal, I do the pole-slide-ride-dismount,

Okay, outside and not on dusty pavement. Anything sufficiently grippy will
do.

> I developed my own version of the approach… just 3 steps…
> small, bigger, big/jump and onto pedal.

Sounds similar to mine.

Stay on top,
JF