George W. Bush's right wing rhetoric

A day after National Coming Out Day (Oct 11) our President has proclaimed
the week of October 12 through October 18, 2003 “Marriage Protection
Week.”

You can read the “proclamation” at
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/10/20031003-12.html
http://tinyurl.com/q491

There’s also been a website set up at
http://www.marriageprotectionweek.com/ (http://tinyurl.com/q7lk)
(depicting, of course, the token minority couple).

Now, if reading this made you physically ill you can tell the President to
kindly go self fornicate with a bible right here:
http://www.hrcactioncenter.org/campaign/tell_president
(http://tinyurl.com/q7lg).

Personally I can not express in words the rage I feel towards GWB and
those that think like him. I can’t wait to vote his ass out of office.

-Lisa

Re: George W. Bush’s right wing rhetoric

I’m kinda pissed about this myself. I think if he wants to give
privilege to married couples, it should be any type of marriage and not
just man/woman. He’s making a religious statement here and it is
entirely unacceptable in this day and age.

Even though I have no personal stake in this I still am offended that
our president can make laws, declare holidays etc., based around
religion. :o

Lisa wrote:

> A day after National Coming Out Day (Oct 11) our President has proclaimed
> the week of October 12 through October 18, 2003 “Marriage Protection
> Week.”
>
> You can read the “proclamation” at
> http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/10/20031003-12.html
> http://tinyurl.com/q491
>
> There’s also been a website set up at
> http://www.marriageprotectionweek.com/ (http://tinyurl.com/q7lk)
> (depicting, of course, the token minority couple).
>
> Now, if reading this made you physically ill you can tell the President to
> kindly go self fornicate with a bible right here:
> http://www.hrcactioncenter.org/campaign/tell_president
> (http://tinyurl.com/q7lg).
>
> Personally I can not express in words the rage I feel towards GWB and
> those that think like him. I can’t wait to vote his ass out of office.
>
> -Lisa

Re: George W. Bush’s right wing rhetoric

“Lisa” <lisa@thedoh.com> wrote in message
news:pan.2003.10.08.18.58.48.423836@thedoh.com
> There’s also been a website set up at
> http://www.marriageprotectionweek.com/ (http://tinyurl.com/q7lk)
> (depicting, of course, the token minority couple).

What does the ethnicity of the couple on the webpage have to do with
anything?

They don’t look too minority-ish to me.


Rodney Blackwell - http://www.5r5.net

“I’m the latest craze” - Macy Gray

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“Shena Delian O’Brien” <shena@darklock.com> wrote in message
news:bm0u4i$7is$1@www.darklock.com

> Even though I have no personal stake in this I still am offended that
> our president can make laws, declare holidays etc., based around
> religion. :o

Declare holidays? One of the biggest national holidays is based around
religion. Remember that old Christmas thing?

I don’t think the president can make laws though?


Rodney

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Rodney Blackwell wrote:
>
> What does the ethnicity of the couple on the webpage have to do with
> anything?
>
> They don’t look too minority-ish to me.

I agree, Lisa. Your post is about your utter disgust at GWB’s
discrimination, yet you yourself made a discriminating comment in the
post. Seems contradictory to me.

The only way to stop racisim is to stop seeing race at all. I can’t
remember the last time I met someone and though “this person is
black/mexican/oriental/hispanic/whatever”. When we all stop thinking in
terms of race (YES, it CAN happen), then racism will disappear.

-Mike K.

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That proclamation does not mention anything about gay marriage and I see
nothing wrong with the proclamation. Though mentioning that marriage is
a union between a woman and a man is close. It is stating that marriage
needs to be protected, and I read it as being protected from people
getting a divorce, as that is better for society and children.

As for the marriageprotectionweek.com website, that is a totally
different site and does not appear to be an official website. Just a
person’s or organizations take on what Marriage Protection Week is.

  • Gilby

Lisa wrote:
> A day after National Coming Out Day (Oct 11) our President has proclaimed
> the week of October 12 through October 18, 2003 “Marriage Protection
> Week.”
>
> You can read the “proclamation” at
> http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/10/20031003-12.html
> http://tinyurl.com/q491
>
> There’s also been a website set up at
> http://www.marriageprotectionweek.com/ (http://tinyurl.com/q7lk)
> (depicting, of course, the token minority couple).
>
> Now, if reading this made you physically ill you can tell the President to
> kindly go self fornicate with a bible right here:
> http://www.hrcactioncenter.org/campaign/tell_president
> (http://tinyurl.com/q7lg).
>
> Personally I can not express in words the rage I feel towards GWB and
> those that think like him. I can’t wait to vote his ass out of office.
>
> -Lisa

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Rodney Blackwell wrote:

> Declare holidays? One of the biggest national holidays is based around
> religion. Remember that old Christmas thing?

The thing is, if your holiday isn’t christmas, you are still allowed to
get paid for taking it off at work if your work pays you for holidays.
In any case, you aren’t allowed to be penalized for it at all.

I find it downright absurd that the marriage protection act web site
would declare that “The institution of marriage is under attack!” I
thought marriage was something you did because you loved someone and
wanted to make a formal committment. Their whole thought process
confuses me. Some part of me is wondering if they are cheapening the
whole romanticism of marriage by making it out to be anything other
than a formal committment by lovers.

Re: George W. Bush’s right wing rhetoric

Jesus… just when you can’t think he’ll get any worse, he does. I’m
anxious for Michael Moore’s next documentary to come out, I’ll say that
much. It can only contribute to his “disapproval rating” further. Why
there hasn’t been more fuss about Bush willingly exporting Saudis and people
connected to Bin Laden immediately following 9/11 is shocking.


Jay Tierney

“Lisa” <lisa@thedoh.com> wrote in message
news:pan.2003.10.08.18.58.48.423836@thedoh.com
> A day after National Coming Out Day (Oct 11) our President has proclaimed
> the week of October 12 through October 18, 2003 “Marriage Protection
> Week.”
>
> You can read the “proclamation” at
> http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/10/20031003-12.html
> http://tinyurl.com/q491
>
> There’s also been a website set up at
> http://www.marriageprotectionweek.com/ (http://tinyurl.com/q7lk)
> (depicting, of course, the token minority couple).
>
> Now, if reading this made you physically ill you can tell the President to
> kindly go self fornicate with a bible right here:
> http://www.hrcactioncenter.org/campaign/tell_president
> (http://tinyurl.com/q7lg).
>
> Personally I can not express in words the rage I feel towards GWB and
> those that think like him. I can’t wait to vote his ass out of office.
>
> -Lisa

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Christmas has evolved and has little to do with religion these days. For
most people, anyway.


Jay Tierney

“Rodney Blackwell” <rodney@webdiscuss.com> wrote in message news:bm0ufm$876
>
> Declare holidays? One of the biggest national holidays is based around
> religion. Remember that old Christmas thing?
>
> I don’t think the president can make laws though?
>
> –
> Rodney
>
>

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I disagree - there’s nothing wrong with seeing race whatsoever. If we
didn’t, everyone would be just the same. The key is to not CARE what race
they are.


Jay Tierney

“Mike King” <webdiscuss@webcodefocus.com> wrote in message
news:bm0ujb$84r$1@www.darklock.com
>
> The only way to stop racisim is to stop seeing race at all. I can’t
> remember the last time I met someone and though “this person is
> black/mexican/oriental/hispanic/whatever”. When we all stop thinking in
> terms of race (YES, it CAN happen), then racism will disappear.
>
> -Mike K.
>

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“Shena Delian O’Brien” <shena@darklock.com> wrote in message
news:bm0up5$8ga$1@www.darklock.com
> Rodney Blackwell wrote:
>
> > Declare holidays? One of the biggest national holidays is based around
> > religion. Remember that old Christmas thing?
>
> The thing is, if your holiday isn’t christmas, you are still allowed to
> get paid for taking it off at work if your work pays you for holidays.
> In any case, you aren’t allowed to be penalized for it at all.

That doesn’t change the fact that the reason that people have it off is
because of the christian holiday Christmas.

You don’t have to tell your employer that you don’t believe in Christmas and
you’re still taking the day off. You just get it off.

You aren’t penalized for any other holiday.


Rodney Blackwell - http://www.5r5.net

“I’m the latest craze” - Macy Gray

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“Jay Tierney” <jay@jaytierney.com> wrote in message
news:bm0v2j$8uu$1@www.darklock.com
> Christmas has evolved and has little to do with religion these days. For
> most people, anyway.

In your opinion.

However, the point still stands that it was created as a celebration of the
christian holiday, Christmas.


Rodney

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On Wed, 08 Oct 2003 14:13:35 -0500, Gilby wrote:

> That proclamation does not mention anything about gay marriage and I see
> nothing wrong with the proclamation. Though mentioning that marriage is
> a union between a woman and a man is close. It is stating that marriage
> needs to be protected, and I read it as being protected from people
> getting a divorce, as that is better for society and children.

President Bush has repeatedly stated that he is against gay marriages. It
is no leap of intuition to guess that he’s implying that he wants marriage
“protected” from gay marriage.

-Lisa

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On Wed, 08 Oct 2003 12:03:33 -0700, Rodney Blackwell wrote:
> What does the ethnicity of the couple on the webpage have to do with
> anything?
>
> They don’t look too minority-ish to me.

They’re not Western-European white. Yeah it probably came off wrong,
sorry.

-Lisa

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With all due respect for your opinion, I think it’s a bit over-idealistic.
Of course, your statement that when people stop thinking in terms of race,
racism will disappear. That’s true by definition. However, many (not
suggesting you) use that train of thought to ignore race’s relevance. Race
is very relevant to the shape of US society.

It may be completely impossible to meet someone without mentally noting
their race… and height… and sex… etc. We categorize people by
appearance. Automatically.

On Wed, 08 Oct 2003 15:11:11 -0400, Mike King
<webdiscuss@webcodefocus.com> wrote:

>
>
> Rodney Blackwell wrote:
>>
>> What does the ethnicity of the couple on the webpage have to do with
>> anything?
>>
>> They don’t look too minority-ish to me.
>
> I agree, Lisa. Your post is about your utter disgust at GWB’s
> discrimination, yet you yourself made a discriminating comment in the
> post. Seems contradictory to me.
>
> The only way to stop racisim is to stop seeing race at all. I can’t
> remember the last time I met someone and though “this person is
> black/mexican/oriental/hispanic/whatever”. When we all stop thinking in
> terms of race (YES, it CAN happen), then racism will disappear.
>
> -Mike K.
>

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Rodney Blackwell wrote:

> That doesn’t change the fact that the reason that people have it off is
> because of the christian holiday Christmas.

Just because people in the past made mistakes doesn’t mean people in the
future should, as well. At least now we’ve gotten it where it doesn’t
matter what your religious holiday is, you get it off.

> You don’t have to tell your employer that you don’t believe in Christmas and
> you’re still taking the day off. You just get it off.

My husband (Jewish) has been known to work through Christmas. :wink:

> You aren’t penalized for any other holiday.

How exactly are you penalized for Christmas? Or is that not what you
were saying?

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“Shena Delian O’Brien” <shena@darklock.com> wrote in message
news:bm1075$a1l$1@www.darklock.com
> Just because people in the past made mistakes doesn’t mean people in the
> future should, as well. At least now we’ve gotten it where it doesn’t
> matter what your religious holiday is, you get it off.

When was it that you didn’t get Christmas off if you didn’t believe in
Christmas?

> How exactly are you penalized for Christmas? Or is that not what you
> were saying?

I was responding to when you said:

> In any case, you aren’t allowed to be penalized for it at all.

I don’t remember anybody being penalized for any holiday, which is why I was
wondering why you brought it up.


Rodney

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“Lisa” <lisa@thedoh.com> wrote in message
news:pan.2003.10.08.19.28.42.339815@thedoh.com
> On Wed, 08 Oct 2003 12:03:33 -0700, Rodney Blackwell wrote:
> > What does the ethnicity of the couple on the webpage have to do with
> > anything?
> >
> > They don’t look too minority-ish to me.
>
> They’re not Western-European white. Yeah it probably came off wrong,
> sorry.

Is western-european white the litmus test for if someone is a minority or
not?

Seems kinda discriminatory for a person that seems so against other forms of
discriminiation.


Rodney

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“Lisa” <lisa@thedoh.com> wrote in message
news:pan.2003.10.08.19.27.12.289537@thedoh.com
> On Wed, 08 Oct 2003 14:13:35 -0500, Gilby wrote:
>
> > That proclamation does not mention anything about gay marriage and I see
> > nothing wrong with the proclamation. Though mentioning that marriage is
> > a union between a woman and a man is close. It is stating that marriage
> > needs to be protected, and I read it as being protected from people
> > getting a divorce, as that is better for society and children.
>
> President Bush has repeatedly stated that he is against gay marriages. It
> is no leap of intuition to guess that he’s implying that he wants marriage
> “protected” from gay marriage.
>

Absolutly that is why there is a Federal Protection of Marriage Act, and
many states have passed there own laws outlawing Gay marriage. It is part of
the Republican Parties platform to oppose gay marriage.

Gary Stein

> -Lisa

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Rodney Blackwell wrote:

> When was it that you didn’t get Christmas off if you didn’t believe in
> Christmas?

What’s your point…? You’re not obligated to take any holiday off,
it’s only an option. I can work on Christmas if I want and get paid for it!

> I don’t remember anybody being penalized for any holiday, which is why I was
> wondering why you brought it up.

In the workplace, Rodney. Now there are laws saying if you’re for
example Jewish, you have say, Yom Kippur off work without losing your
job, having to take a sick/personal/vacation day, etc. And in most
instances, if you’re a full-time employee and get paid holidays, you get
paid for it. It didn’t used to be that way. It used to be that your
company could penalize you for taking holidays off.