The other day, I once again spent some time designing a “dream” muni, and came to a question on the frames. The KH frame is a whopping 400 bucks, but it is undoubtedly the top of the line. Meanwhile, I see the Yuni frame for 40 dollars, which made me wonder: Has anyone ever broken there FRAME? I always hear about hubs/cranks/rims breaking, but never anything about frames. What advantage does the KH frame have? I know it’s stronger, but does that really make any kind of difference in performance? Just a thought, I’d really like to know if in actuality it would be worth the money.
Frames are the last to go, unless you have crappy lollipop bearings (minus pashly)
Re: Frame strength vs. $$
cybeross wrote:
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> The other day, I once again spent some time designing a “dream” muni,
> and came to a question on the frames. The KH frame is a whopping 400
> bucks, but it is undoubtedly the top of the line. Meanwhile, I see the
> Yuni frame for 40 dollars, which made me wonder: Has anyone ever broken
> there FRAME?
Greetings,
I posted this question a couple weeks ago and was told that your money
should go into the wheelset and cranks. For a trials uni, I purchased
the YUni frame now renamed by some to the Lucifer Fork. It’s really a
great frame and I’m going purchase another one for a mUNI. As near as I
can tell the one advantage with a custom frame is break stays, other
than that I can’t see spending the money when I know the chance of me
snapping the frame is next to nil.
Cheers,
Jason
Strength is very rarely an issue with frames. What your buying when you pay for a KH frame (or any other high end frame) is the design. Until recently, the only way to get a frame that fits a 3" tire was to buy one of a few very expensive frames. With the wider availability of the Nimbus II/Yuni frame that time is over. Unless you really want top of the line everything, a Yuni frame is a much better deal.
That said, the KH frame has some very nice features, such as brake bosses, a seatpost tube that fits a bike seatpost, a really nice gliding footrest, and machined bearing holders. I wouldn’t have bought it if there where cheaper options available at the time, but I don’t regret having it.
The new Norco MUni is going to have a frame just like the KH, but much cheaper because its imported from Taiwan rather than custom made in Vancouver. I don’t thing it will be available separately though.
Ben
Re: Frame strength vs. $$
Frames do not brake, they bent.
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> The other day, I once again spent some time designing a “dream” muni,
> and came to a question on the frames. The KH frame is a whopping 400
> bucks, but it is undoubtedly the top of the line. Meanwhile, I see the
> Yuni frame for 40 dollars, which made me wonder: Has anyone ever broken
> there FRAME? I always hear about hubs/cranks/rims breaking, but never
> anything about frames. What advantage does the KH frame have? I know
> it’s stronger, but does that really make any kind of difference in
> performance? Just a thought, I’d really like to know if in actuality it
> would be worth the money.
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Ben Plotken-Swing covered most of my thoughts already,but hears my 3-cents.
the biggest blessing is the bigger seat tube. the 22.2 diameter is such a piece O crap for Muni or trials.
the bearing holders on my KH20 are way beefier than that of the cheap frames.i think the resale for a high ender would be better too.(will see when i sell mine 
)
whether or not those things justify $400 ($550 for Wilder fork) on my KH i still dont know.what i do know is there was nothing cheaper with the features i wanted when i bought it.
i have been told that even though the new Norco KH’s will be alot cheaper,the expensive version is still going to be sold.
Just rambling on and on.
There is not much of a reason to go to a high end frame now that the Yuni / Nimbus II is available. It is actually a quality Taiwanese frame, incredible. I was looking at the Yuni frame at UNICON and was very impressed. Something that you won’t see in the photos is that the inside of the seat tube on the Yuni is all smooth and clean. One thing that always bugged me about the cheap Taiwanese frames is that the inside of the seat tube was not smooth and was usually full of weld splatter, chrome globs and a long seam where the tube was formed. The Yuni does not suffer from any of these sloppy problems.
What you’re getting with a more expensive frame is a seat tube that will fit a standard bike post (25.4, 27.2, or some other standard bike size), brake mounts, and stronger bearing holders.
The stamped metal main cap bearing holders used on the Taiwanese unicycles don’t hold the bearings in place as well as the more expensive frames with machined bearing holders. This is a picky point, but valid. The bearing holder on a Taiwanese frame has a little bit of wiggle room. You can feel the frame shift or wiggle when you pedal real hard because the bearing holder is sliding on the bearing. You don’t get this kind of wiggle on a KH, DM, Wilder, Hunter, or other expensive frame with machined bearing holders. Is it a big deal? Not really. If you’re the kind of person who gets annoyed when you can feel things like that shifting on you as you ride then maybe the expensive frames would be worth it to you.
I can’t wait to see the new Norco frames. I think those frames are going to be great. They won’t be your normal Taiwanese frame.
Re: Frame strength vs. $$
On Mon, 2 Sep 2002 15:49:42 -0500, john_childs
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>There is not much of a reason to go to a high end frame now that the
>Yuni / Nimbus II is available.
I’ve been wondering for some time: are Yuni and Nimbus II different
names for the same frame?
Klaas Bil
Re: Frame strength vs. $$
>I’ve been wondering for some time: are Yuni and Nimbus II different
>names for the same frame?
yep.
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