Five Ten Riding Shoe Reviews:

Noob likes Barons

Hi All. I’m about 21 days in, riding 30-45 minutes a day. Just started on dirt last week, and making rapid progress. Finally in the last 3 days I can self-mount using the hand-grab-on-wheel technique.

Prior to picking up the Barons on Amazon, I’d tried my Vans (terrible, much too slippery) and my Asics running shoes (reasonably sticky in a folded-over and smushed way, but lack of stiffness, etc. obviously running shoes = fail).

The Barons are fantastic, even for someone who is just starting out. My self-mounts were more consistent, and I definitely had easier power uphill. I didn’t lose any feel, and they didn’t seem heavy while riding, probably because the stiffness helps with power generation.

I was worried that the Baron’s sticky soles would make it hard for me to reposition my feet given that my self-mounts often end up slightly off. That was’t the case, at least not on my UDC Trainer, which has admittedly unspiky pedals.

I’m riding a UDC Trainer with street tires until I break it, at which point I’m hoping I’ll know if I want a 24 or 26 Oracle Nimbus, which seems like a logical next step.

My point is that the pedals on the Trainer are not very sticky, but either way even my meager skills allow me a fraction of second at the top of a pedal stroke to work my way to an improved position.

As far as my feet go, I run wide in the toes but had no problems with the Barons. I checked other shoes before going with the 11.5. My Nike golf shoes are 11.5, my Nike running shoes are 11EE (smaller was OK b/c of the width being available), my Asics running shoes are 11.5. Conclusion: I think the Barons run true to size.

Anyway, just thought a little noob perspective might help those others who are committed but ignorant, and struggling with equipment.

Thanks to all for the great posts in this and the other parts of the forum. The hand-grabbing-wheel mount in particular was HUGE.

I have had a pair of Five-Ten Freeride Pro’s for about 3 weeks now and I have to say they are amazing!

http://fiveten.com/products/footwear-detail/12497-freerider-pro-pumice-black

I got these to replace my Five-Ten Barons which I really liked and were a huge improvement over the Keen trail shoes I wore before them. When the Baron’s wore out (wore holes on the soles) I was just going to get another pair as I really liked them but then I saw the Freeride Pro’s and noticed that they appeared to have the stickier (S1 vs Ph) sole and they also claimed to be a bit stiffer. The only issue I had with the Barons was my feet got tired on long cross country rides in them due to the softness of the sole. I agree that this is great for feeling your foot placement but as I mainly commute and ride XC i liked the idea of a stiffer platform.

Anyhow, I wasn’t expecting the new shoes to be much different to the Barons. Maybe a bit stiffer but other than that not much. I am amazed how much I love these shoes. They are so much stickier and with my Odyssey plastic pedals I just feel like I have so much more control. Almost like I am cheating. They are stiffer too which I do like as well. I was expecting them to soften up over time like the Barons did but so far they have not.

My only concern with the new shoes is that they don’t appear to be quite as waterproof as the Baron’s but they may be a bit cooler as a result.

Hope this helps someone.

On those Freeride Pros, how much stiffer are they than the Barons, i.e. can you quantify it somehow? Have you ever flexed a pair of Impacts or maybe some Tevas?

Hi Ben. Its a bit hard to quantify the difference as my Barons are almost worn out and the soles are very thin and soft now. What i can say though is that when I first wore the Barons they felt quite odd compared to other skate and low top bush running shoes I have worn in that the back part of the sole (from the front of your foot arch back) is quite stiff but the front part (ball of the foot forward) really felt very soft to the point that you almost felt pebbles and cracks in the footpath when you walked in them, even when new. I know some others have made similar comments about them on these boards somewhere. When I first put on the Freeride Pro’s I was expecting to have them feel much the same but they felt much stiffer. How much of this was due to them being new and me being used to the worn out Barons I am not sure. I have had them for a month or so now and they still feel stiffer than the Barons ever did so I guess they do have a stiffer sole in them somewhere. I find them much more comfortable to pedal in but I do notice that I don’t have quite the same feel for where my foot is on the pedal that I did with the Baron. Unfortunately I have not tried the Teva’s or the Impacts so can’t really compare but Ill stop by my LBS and see if they have any Teva’s in stock sometime this week and so a side by side if I can.

I like a stiff soled shoe. My first “stiffish” shoe was a Five Ten Sam Hill Impact, which worked well until it got wet enough times that the cardboard insole stiffener gave up the ghost, at which point it was not all that stiff. I upgraded to a Freerider, then later a Baron, all for naught as the Five Ten flats shoes all seemed to be too soft. I thought I found a winner in the Shimano Am 41, but it was trashed and floppy in two months of riding, so I decided to make my own shoes.

I have now re-made three pairs of shoes, starting with softer clipless mtb shoes, I have my local repair shoe shop grind down the outsole, then glue on a crepe rubber midsole followed by a vibram outsole. Some of my project shoes have worked out better than others, it’s tough to find a clipless shoe that is soft enough for flats riding, esp after adding two layers of sole.

For the past six months I had been riding a pair of modified Specialized Tahoe, a recreational SPD shoe that is considered a beginner clipless, so it’s soft for a clipless shoe, but still far stiffer than any flats shoe. I liked the shoes okay, they work pretty well and have worn fine, but the flex pattern is just not quite right. Being designed for clipless with a full length stiffener, they are stiff end to end which makes them kinda like walking with wooden shoes, but they do put th epower down and keep my feet well supported for long rides

So after not finding the right combo of shoe and resoling, I decided it was time to look for a ready made shoe “again”. Previously I tried a Five Ten Maltese Falcon, a sticky soled spd compatible shoe. They looked promising, but when I test flexed them, the fiberglass sole stiffener snapped in two. After that experience I was kinda put off by clipless compatible shoes with fiberglass stiffeners. I though that all of the Five Ten clipless compatible shoes were built this way, but that is not the case. I was told by Five Ten that the Hellcat, Raven, and Cyclone are built with a nylon stiffener.

So I ordered three shoes from Zappos as a test: Five Ten Sam Hill Impacts, Teva Links, and Five Ten Hellcats. They arrived overnight for free shipping and free return; ya gotta just love Zappos for service :smiley:

First off, I tried on the Links because I had always wondered if they were any good. Suprisingly they fit well, were well made, and relatively stiff. Not stiff enough for my needs, but in contrast to other popular flat shoes, they held their own. If I were looking at Impacts, but wanted a less burly shoe similar to the Freerider but with some stiffness, the Links would be my first choice.

Next I tried on the Sam Hill 2, which are just a brightly colored version of the Impact Low; I had a pair of Sam Hill a couple years back. These were about as I remember them, lots of bulky rubber, high arch area in the outsole, and not as stiff as you expect from all that rubber. In all honesty, the Teva is just as stiff as the Impacts, lighter weight, less bulky, and better made. I think Five Ten could upgrade this shoe, but for 2013 it is the same shoe with a slightly narrower profile; oh well.

So then I started playing with the Hellcats, which are essentially a beefed up, stiffened Baron, with a velcro strap, and an spd compatible 3/4 length “nylon” stiffener plate. The cleat area is covered by a flexible metal plate covered in sticky rubber, so the sole is grippy in the cleat area, unlike most clipless compatible shoes. Suprisingly, after considerable flexing and twisting, I was unable to damage the midsole; I had to try :roll_eyes:

In contrast to a shoe like the Impacts, the stiffness is night and day different, where the Impact is like a lightweight hiking shoe, the Hellcat is like a stiff hiking boot. The stiffest flex is nicely centered over the midfoot and forefoot, while the rear portion of the shoe (behind the arch) and the toe box (in front of the cleat cut out) has a softer flex. This combination of flex patterns allows the shoe to be supportive while riding and comfortable for hiking. The Hellcats weigh about the same as the Impacts, even with the cleat area cover. Fit is very similar to the Barons, maybe a tad less roomy though the midfoot.



I thought about replacing the cleat area cover with a softer piece of rubber, but it sits below the sole and really doesn’t seem to change the flex or
traction, so I’ll leave it for now. In terms of sole grip and “softness”, the sole is harder than the Impact, but made from Stealth rubber, so just as sticky as other Five Ten riding shoes, so I had no problem getting grip on pinned pedals, in fact it was better than my remade shoes, which made me smile :smiley:

Durability and long term ride review to follow, in a few months…but so far the Hellcat shows promise.

I recently got five ten dannys and there sweet

I am riding 5-10 barons and they are not as good as freerides in my oppinion.

Ive been having some issues with my ankle for a while now and havent been able to ride too hard sadly. Sadly over the years of riding street my feet and ankles have taken a beating. Luckily the doctors gave me a quick fix so decided that I should preserve my ankle for as long as I could haha. I found some Impacts on sale for pretty cheap and bought them. First impression of the shoes were that they were huge and bulky, I’m use to 6.0’s. Went out and rode with them for a little bit before the sun went down and I was impressed. My feet felt secure and solid in the shoes/boots. The grip of these shoes are OUTSTANDING! Honestly I have no clue why anyone would want to ride clipless after riding with shoes that are meant for pedals (@Nurseben :p)

So for short/first term impressions, pretty legit shoes for riding and hiking. They provide support and are stiff. Ill get back to this thread after a I feel that I could give a legit long term review on them.

-Jacob

Cuz they are big, clunky, pieces of rubber attached to a carboard midsole that softens appreciably with use; esp with wet use. They could be done better, for instance no arch cut out, better tread pattern, sole stiffener, remove excess rubber, de-bulk the tongue, stronger toe box, reinforced eyelets, etc… but Five Ten is more into looks than performance :roll_eyes:

There are better shoes if you like a medium stiff riding shoe. I’m riding some Teva “the Links” which are very comfortable and well made, fit is on par with Freerides, but the sole is firmer and the materials are waterproof. The Links are only a smidgen softer than the Impacts, but lighter, svelter, and I’m thinking that they will end up being stiffer in comparision over the long run.

If you took apart a pair of non spd Five Ten riding shoes you would see that the rubber outsole has no stiffener (it’s just a chunk of rubber), for stiffness it is glued to a couple cardboard inserts which weaken over time, this is why they can’t stay stiff for long. For a stiff sole, nothing can beat an SPD shoe, they have a nylon or fiberglass stifferener plate to support the cleat, so they stay stiff over the long run even when the rubber wears down.

I have a couple weeks riding on my Five Ten Hellcats, over the weekend I replaced the cleat cover with a piece of tire rubber, also removed the metal cleat backing plate. I really like these shoes, the nylon stiffener is only under the front part of the arch to the ball of the foot, so the heel and toe still flex like a regular riding show. I don’t get any arch fatigue on even the longest rides.

I’ll be using the Hellcats for long rides, the Links for muddy stuff and hike/bike.

I rode the links for a few months and had to git rid of them they are way to soft comparred to 5-10s

Which Five Tens? The Sam Hill Impacts or the Freerides?

My Links are pretty firm, suprisingly so, less pedal feel through the sole than FIve Tens. I got the Lunar Landers, lots of bright colors, lightweight, and comfy.

If Five Ten gave me artistic license, I’d design a shoe that has the goods, but all they seem to care about is bling. It’s a shame really, they have the rubber, name recognition, but all they do is keep bringing out the same stuff in different colors. I completly disintegrated two pairs of Freerides in six months.

As proof, per Five Ten HQ, the 2013 Freeride Pro is no different flex wise than the Freeride/Baron. The 2013 Impact has lost some rubber on the sides, otherwise it is unchanged; why they reduced side rubber but kept the same sole pattern and contour is beyond me as it requires a new mold either way.

Teva now has a mid high Links, I had some on the other day, they are the same fit and flex as the Links low, a little TPU strip at the toe to protect you piggies, a little more TPU at the heel to maintain heel cup, otherwise they are the same with a taller cuff. They feel awful, look awful, and you can get them on sale for up to 50% off!!

There are some interesting shoes coming out for us in hike n’ bike stuff, much of which is clipless, but in time there shoud be some better platform style shoes with a stiffer sole. What I’m waiting for is something like the Pearl Izumi X Alp, but with a flattened sole over the pedal area.

I dont think 5.10 is aiming for looks with the style of impacts. Like you said they are big and bulky, this is a good thing for some people i think. I ride with straight cranks and sometimes i smack my ankles on them pretty hard even when I am wearing ankle guards. i agree with you on the tounge of the shoe, that shite is pretty thick but once again i dont have to worry about that part of my foot getting destroyed by anything. That is pretty bad if they just used a thick carboard for the sole… not very strong for the long run at all. It would be good to maybe use a fiberglass type of material but then just imagine if that broke in the shoe and then went into your foot?

Shoes are still one of those areas in the industry that are tough to fit the needs of everyone. Right now the impacts are feeling great, hopefully they can last at least a year and i will be happy with them. Most shoes only last a few months with hard riding anyways. But im still gonna disagree with you about 5.10’s having sex appeal cause i think they look ugly as shit :stuck_out_tongue:

Ugly is the new sexy, hadn’t you head?

You oughta see my Links, killer cosmic colors, I had to change the laces to preserve my sanity :roll_eyes: http://www.teva.com/mens-links-mountain-biking-shoes/4304,default,pd.html

Yeah, Five Ten could change a few things and make the Impacts so sweet.

I’m still on the hunt for something that has a decent “spiked” toe and heel for hiking, but without being a hiking boot, two straps, one buckle, lightweight, breathable.

Imagine these with some Five Ten Rubber in the forefoot: http://www.pearlizumi.com/publish/content/pi_2010/us/en/index/products/men/ride/footwear/x-alp_footwear.-productCode-15311003.html

I had the old links they sucked and then i tryed the new ones and they are tons better. my favorite shoe to date.

After 18 months I’m retiring my ‘Red’ Baron’s. Hardly occurred to me that those sturdy shoes would wear out riding rail trails but alas, the soles are worn and soft.

Considered buying another pair of the Baron’s but instead ordered the Links shoe.

Great Thread, this one is…

The Links are totally underrated, I’m guilty of ignoring them for the longest time, kept holding out hope that Five Ten would stiffen up the Freeride series, finally ordered some Links from Zappos (free shiiping both ways) just to check them out, now they are my go to shoes for muni.

I still have some stiff soled Five Ten Cyclone for cranking long rides and going muni on the big wheel, but the Links are just so comfy I can wear them like real shoes. I have a bunch of rides on them now, no real signs of wear like I have on the Five Tens and the stiffness is 90% of new; Five Tens lose their stiffness a whole lot more.

They are not “sticky” in the same way as a Five Ten, but the grip the pins really well, maybe not as sticky on wet rocks and such, but not too bad. The tongue is a tad short, so I lace them to finish at the second hole from the top; I lace to the last hole, skipping the second to last hole, then finsih lacing to the second hole, this seems to keep the bow from riding up over the tongue.

I told you ben. i am still on my first pair of links after 6months.

Free Rides

After wearing and riding every day with my trusty five ten freerides for 2 years I was ordered to buy a new pair. My old blue and blacks had soles as sticky as gecko féet. The new ones though still having stealth rubber don’t feel as grippy. Have any other fans of freerides noticed a change in how new ones grip pins?

I don’t have freerides but I know that 5.10 changed their soles recently.

I’m liking the Links, since I wore out the Baron’s. Unexpected was that with the change in shoes, needed to raise my seat a quarter of and inch.