firewalls to become illeagle in some states...?


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Re: firewalls to become illeagle in some states…?

That is the most blatant evidence of stupidity I have seen to date…

Coming a close second is the patent office approving Amazon’s one-click
system.

Tony Ranieri wrote:
> http://www.rense.com/general36/firewalls.htm
> http://www.freedom-to-tinker.com/archives/000336.html
>
>

Re: firewalls to become illeagle in some states…?

“Tony Ranieri” <Tonywd@woogu.com> wrote in message
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> http://www.freedom-to-tinker.com/archives/000336.html

I heared today, that many big companies configure their firewalls
to eleminate the referer information.

I would find it good to outlaw this.

This people are stealing me money, because I am
paied by some clients by performance, and here
the referer counts.


Roland Mösl
http://www.pege.org Clear targets for a confused civilization
http://web-design-suite.com Web Design starts at the search engine

Re: firewalls to become illeagle in some states…?

Roland Mösl wrote:
>
> I heared today, that many big companies configure their firewalls
> to eleminate the referer information.
>
> I would find it good to outlaw this.
>
> This people are stealing me money, because I am
> paied by some clients by performance, and here
> the referer counts.

Then your business model is flawed.

Many people change the USER_AGENT string for their browser. I do it for
Opera because a lot of sites detect the USER_AGENT and change the site
based on that. A lot of such sites don’t work for browsers that don’t
claim to be IE. In a lot of cases, the site works fine in other
browsers, so it’s nice for me to be able to tell the site that I’m
running IE, so that I can see their site in Opera.

Also, it’s none of your damn business which client I use.

-Mike K.

Re: firewalls to become illeagle in some states…?

Mike King wrote:
> Also, it’s none of your damn business which client I use.

He was talking about the referrer, not the user agent.

  • Gilby

Re: firewalls to become illeagle in some states…?

“Mike King” <webdiscuss@webcodefocus.com> wrote in message
news:b69cql$qvd$1@www.darklock.com
> Roland Mösl wrote:
> >
> > I heared today, that many big companies configure their firewalls
> > to eleminate the referer information.
> >
> > I would find it good to outlaw this.
> >
> > This people are stealing me money, because I am
> > paied by some clients by performance, and here
> > the referer counts.
>
>
> Then your business model is flawed.

No, this company spends 10.000.-EUR per month for
newspaper advertising. So they have a right to know
from where their visitors are coming.

And I have a right to know to distribute their advertising
money more for me.

> Many people change the USER_AGENT string for their browser.

Not many. Only some Opera fanatics

> I do it for

A small minority

> Opera because a lot of sites detect the USER_AGENT and change the site
> based on that. A lot of such sites don’t work for browsers that don’t
> claim to be IE. In a lot of cases, the site works fine in other
> browsers, so it’s nice for me to be able to tell the site that I’m
> running IE, so that I can see their site in Opera.
>
> Also, it’s none of your damn business which client I use.

It’s, because I have to inform the last few N4 users,
that they should update


Roland Mösl
http://www.pege.org Clear targets for a confused civilization
http://web-design-suite.com Web Design starts at the search engine

Re: firewalls to become illeagle in some states…?

“Roland Mösl” <founder@pege.org> wrote in message
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> “Tony Ranieri” <Tonywd@woogu.com> wrote in message
> news:b68vdd$csp$1@www.darklock.com
> > http://www.rense.com/general36/firewalls.htm
> > http://www.freedom-to-tinker.com/archives/000336.html
>
> I heared today, that many big companies configure their firewalls
> to eleminate the referer information.

You have no right to know where I have come from.

-Lisa

Re: firewalls to become illeagle in some states…?

Gilby wrote:
> Mike King wrote:
>
>> Also, it’s none of your damn business which client I use.
>
>
> He was talking about the referrer, not the user agent.

Oops… I got confused there :wink:

In that case, his technology is flawed, he shouldn’t rely on an
unreliable method of discovering where the user has come from.

ie: If a visitor comes from a partner site, that partner site should
have a way of telling my site where the visitor has come from
(http://mysite.com/?came_from_partner_a)

If the visitor didn’t come from a partner site, then my site has no
right to know where the visitor came from. All I can deduce is that they
aren’t from a partner site.

Now, all of this isn’t to say that referers aren’t useful. I’m just
saying that the thought of deinfing software that hides the referer as
illegal is just plain silliness.

-Mike K.

Re: firewalls to become illeagle in some states…?

Mike King wrote
> In that case, his technology is flawed, he shouldn’t rely on an
> unreliable method of discovering where the user has come from.
>
> ie: If a visitor comes from a partner site, that partner site should
> have a way of telling my site where the visitor has come from
> (http://mysite.com/?came_from_partner_a)

I think that what Roland is doing is basing his fee for search engine
optimization on how many visitors the search engines actually refer to his
client’s site. So your statement about his business model being flawed was
correct.

Re: firewalls to become illeagle in some states…?

“Lisa Marie” <lisany@rochester.rr.com> wrote in message
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> You have no right to know where I have come from.

But I have the right to throw out people hiding the referer :slight_smile:


Roland Mösl
http://www.pege.org Clear targets for a confused civilization
http://web-design-suite.com Web Design starts at the search engine

Re: firewalls to become illeagle in some states…?

“Mike King” <webdiscuss@webcodefocus.com> wrote in message
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> If the visitor didn’t come from a partner site, then my site has no
> right to know where the visitor came from. All I can deduce is that they
> aren’t from a partner site.

Maybe I decide that this out ethic morons hiding their referers
to cheat me have no right to visit my site


Roland Mösl
http://www.pege.org Clear targets for a confused civilization
http://web-design-suite.com Web Design starts at the search engine

Re: firewalls to become illeagle in some states…?

“Roland Mösl” <founder@pege.org> wrote in message
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> “Lisa Marie” <lisany@rochester.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:b69ffo$tvc$1@www.darklock.com
>
> > You have no right to know where I have come from.
>
> But I have the right to throw out people hiding the referer :slight_smile:

Such an attitude only hurts you, the content provider. Rarely is one source
the only source on anything.

-Lisa

Re: firewalls to become illeagle in some states…?

“Lisa Marie” <lisany@rochester.rr.com> wrote in message
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> “Roland Mösl” <founder@pege.org> wrote in message
> news:b6abd7$rh6$1@www.darklock.com
> > “Lisa Marie” <lisany@rochester.rr.com> wrote in message
> > news:b69ffo$tvc$1@www.darklock.com
> >[color=darkred]
> > > You have no right to know where I have come from.
> >
> > But I have the right to throw out people hiding the referer :slight_smile:
>
> Such an attitude only hurts you, the content provider. Rarely is one[/color]
source
> the only source on anything.

People thinking they have to hide from where they come are worthless junk.
They are even not worth the $0.0005 for the bandwith.


Roland Mösl
http://www.pege.org Clear targets for a confused civilization
http://web-design-suite.com Web Design starts at the search engine

Re: firewalls to become illeagle in some states…?

Roland Mösl wrote:
>
> Maybe I decide that this out ethic morons hiding their referers
> to cheat me have no right to visit my site

How are people who hide their referers “cheaters”???

-Mike K.

Re: firewalls to become illeagle in some states…?

Roland Mösl wrote:
>
> People thinking they have to hide from where they come are worthless junk.
> They are even not worth the $0.0005 for the bandwith.

Business owners who consider any potential customer as worthless are
doomed to fail…

-Mike K.

Re: firewalls to become illeagle in some states…?

“Mike King” <webdiscuss@webcodefocus.com> wrote in message
news:b6b4gh$lqk$2@www.darklock.com
>
>
> Roland Mösl wrote:
> >
> > Maybe I decide that this out ethic morons hiding their referers
> > to cheat me have no right to visit my site
>
> How are people who hide their referers “cheaters”???

They tell my client “I typed the URL from a newspaper,
increase advertising in newspapers” while this con man
actually was coming by a search engine and should tell
my client “increase search engine optimization budget”


Roland Mösl
http://www.pege.org Clear targets for a confused civilization
http://web-design-suite.com Web Design starts at the search engine

Re: firewalls to become illeagle in some states…?

Roland Mösl wrote:
>
> They tell my client “I typed the URL from a newspaper,
> increase advertising in newspapers” while this con man
> actually was coming by a search engine and should tell
> my client “increase search engine optimization budget”

Man, I’m glad I don’t work with you. :slight_smile:

That’s just flawed business logic there…

-Mike K.

Re: firewalls to become illeagle in some states…?

“Mike King” <webdiscuss@webcodefocus.com> wrote in message
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>
>
> Roland Mösl wrote:
> >
> > People thinking they have to hide from where they come are worthless
junk.
> > They are even not worth the $0.0005 for the bandwith.
>
> Business owners who consider any potential customer as worthless are
> doomed to fail…

Big error.

My client in Berlin is a realtor.

He throws out people wanting to buy an apartment
when he thinks they would be bad for the community household.

He tells me he wants good community household in his houses.

And this is a very successfull line.


Roland Mösl
http://www.pege.org Clear targets for a confused civilization
http://web-design-suite.com Web Design starts at the search engine

Re: firewalls to become illeagle in some states…?

“Mike King” <webdiscuss@webcodefocus.com> wrote in message
news:b6c525$om7$1@www.darklock.com
> Roland Mösl wrote:
> >
> > They tell my client “I typed the URL from a newspaper,
> > increase advertising in newspapers” while this con man
> > actually was coming by a search engine and should tell
> > my client “increase search engine optimization budget”
>
> Man, I’m glad I don’t work with you. :slight_smile:
>
> That’s just flawed business logic there…

No, that’s just the logic that I do not like unhonest con men.

How to make busienss with somebody who does even
not want from where he comes?

That’s not a potential customer, that’s only trash


Roland Mösl
http://www.pege.org Clear targets for a confused civilization
http://web-design-suite.com Web Design starts at the search engine

Re: firewalls to become illeagle in some states…?

im pretty sure thats illegal in the states…

“Roland Mösl” <founder@pege.org> wrote in message
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> Big error.
>
> My client in Berlin is a realtor.
>
> He throws out people wanting to buy an apartment
> when he thinks they would be bad for the community household.
>
> He tells me he wants good community household in his houses.
>
> And this is a very successfull line.
>
>