dumb Q about levels

All

Just want some clarification on a couple of points.

Level two is a left foor mount and a right foot mount (of the same
mount).

Level three displays three mounts (left and right foot mounts don’t
count as different) - but do I need to display both L & R at this level?
If my mounts are rollback, static and jump - do I have to show
profficiency with both L & R for all three ?

Is a static (no rollback) sufficiently different from a wlaking/running
mount ?

Thanks

Phil from Melbourne

Re: dumb Q about levels

Hi Phil from Melbourne,

From my understanding, the Level 3 mounts do not need to be performed on both sides, one right foot or left foot mount of each will do.

You are correct in stating the left foot mount and right foot mount are considered the same mount unless otherwise specified as in the Level 2 requirements.

The rollback mount and the static mount are considered the same mount though so you’ll have to come up with another mount. How about static/rollback, rolling, jump. The static mount and rolling (running) mounts are different in that the wheel must maintain forward motion during the rolling mount whereas there is generally no forward progress while the static mount is being performed. In your jump mount, make sure that both feet hit the pedals simutaneously.

Hope that helps.

Bruce from Illinois

Re: dumb Q about levels

----- Original Message -----
From: “Phil Owen” <philowen@tpg.com.au>
Subject: dumb Q about levels
> Level two is a left foor mount and a right foot mount (of the same
> mount).
>
> Level three displays three mounts (left and right foot mounts don’t
> count as different) - but do I need to display both L & R at this level?
> If my mounts are rollback, static and jump - do I have to show
> profficiency with both L & R for all three ?
>
> Is a static (no rollback) sufficiently different from a wlaking/running
> mount ?
>
> Thanks
>
> Phil from Melbourne
>

Hi, Phil.

For Level 2, you just need to mount with the right foot and the left foot,
although it doesn’t have to be the exact same mount. (I did rollback with
my left foot and standard forward with my right foot.) The rollback and the
forward are the two forms of the standard mount.

For 3, you’ll need two new mounts. Only one can be the standard mount
(rollback or forward), then you need two others, such as jump mount, spin
mount, mount to one-foot idle, side mount, or back mount. You don’t need to
do right and left foot for Level 3.

A rolling mount is different enough, but the wheel must not stop during a
rolling mount. Here’s the Rulebook definition on the rolling mount:

“Mounting the uni while pushing the uni forward, by placing one foot on the
rear pedal and going up and over the wheel, without the wheel pausing,
stopping, or going backwards and continue riding forward.”

Good luck!

Carol
Minnesota

Re: dumb Q about levels

<SNIP>
>
> Hi Phil from Melbourne,
>
> From my understanding, the Level 3 mounts do not need to be performed on
> both sides, one right foot or left foot mount of each will do.
>
> You are correct in stating the left foot mount and right foot mount are
> considered the same mount unless otherwise specified as in the Level 2
> requirements.
>
> The rollback mount and the static mount are considered the same mount
> though so you’ll have to come up with another mount. How about
> static/rollback, rolling, jump. The static mount and rolling (running)
> mounts are different in that the wheel must maintain forward motion
> during the rolling mount whereas there is generally no forward progress
> while the static mount is being performed. In your jump mount, make
> sure that both feet hit the pedals simutaneously.
>
> Hope that helps.
>
> Bruce from Illinois
>
>
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Thanks

I’ll probably use a side mount - either front or rear. My major issue
was making sure that I only needed to do one left foot mount (for level
2).

Phil from Melbourne

quick question
when setting up for the static mount, do u have one foot (dominant?) on the pedal and your bum on the seat? or do u aquire your seat during the movement?

And another:

Are you permitted to demonstrate various skills at a particular level with different unicycles, e.g. use a Coker for a rolling mount but a 20"er for the rollback mount?

Thanks,
Raphael Lasar
Matawan, NJ

Hi guys,

Again from my understanding, the rules state that the same unicycle must be used for all skills within a skill level once the performance test begins. You also have one hour to complete the test and practicing skills during the testing period is not permitted.

When performing a static mount, I have the seat acquired prior to stepping up onto the unicycle and use my dominant foot on the rear pedal.

Bruce

thanx, let me go practise

Re: dumb Q about levels

Here’s another question:
Do the skills for a particular level have to be performed in the order in
which they are listed?

My preference would be to do the hardest ones first.

–Mark

Phil Owen wrote:

> All
>
> Just want some clarification on a couple of points.
>
> Level two is a left foor mount and a right foot mount (of the same
> mount).
>
> Level three displays three mounts (left and right foot mounts don’t
> count as different) - but do I need to display both L & R at this level?
> If my mounts are rollback, static and jump - do I have to show
> profficiency with both L & R for all three ?
>
> Is a static (no rollback) sufficiently different from a wlaking/running
> mount ?
>
> Thanks
>
> Phil from Melbourne


Mark Newbold
Montpelier, Vermont USA


Alternate email: manx@sover.net

Re: Re: dumb Q about levels

Smart move! The rules say that the skills within a skill level may be performed in any order as long as they are all completed within the 1 hour time limit.

Bruce

Re: Re: dumb Q about levels

Correction:

I think she meant you’ll need one other. Here’s how it works:

Level 1: any mount
Level 2: any mount using the opposite foot you used for your level 1 mount
Level 3: add a new mount, different from the first two

As to whether or not you have to re-perform all your mounts again for each new level, this should depend on what the tester has witnessed. If they have not seen your previous mounts, you should perform them again so the tester knows you aren’t repeating any.

There is much gray area in the levels. But reading the front matter of the skill levels, which is found in different versions in the IUF and USA rulebooks, will answer many of the common questions.

Please note: The USA has a far more detailed set of guidelines for the levels than the IUF. This means the IUF system has much more gray area. But the USA are the ones selling the level patches, so if you wear them you should follow the USA methods to pass those levels.

The USA is looking for a person to be in charge of skill levels. I believe this should be handled by a different person or group than the rulebook, as the purpose for each is different. If you are interested, please contact the USA: usa-officers@unicycling.org

See the rulebooks:
http://www.unicycling.org/iuf/rulebook/
http://www.unicycling.org/usa/competition/

If it does stop, it’s still different enough from a rollback-type mount to count.

Stay on top,
John Foss

Re: dumb Q about levels

For all questions about skill levels your first stop should be the IUF
skill levels web page <www.unicycling.org/iuf/levels>.
(The USA skill levels are different in a few minor things, I don’t
have the url handy.)

Klaas Bil

If you had this signature, I have forged it.

I disagree. In Level 3, there must be 3 distinct mounts, none of which is the opposite-foot-mate of any other. So a person who used static mount (Left) in Level 1 and static mount (Left and Right) in Level 2 must learn 2 new mounts for Level 3 (i.e, two mounts that are not the static mount and are not each other’s opposite-foot-pair). Therefore, there are cases where a person would have to learn 2 new mounts to pass Level 3. In fact, I would expect that most people would use the static or rollback mounts for 1 and 2 and thus (since static and rollback are considered the same mount at this time) need to learn two new mounts to pass Level 3.

Except my obnoxious nephew, who knows three mounts at Level 0: static, jump, and suicide!

Here is the exact text in the 2001 Rulebook, Section 10.5.1:

For Level 3 and above, riders may not count their dominant and non-dominant side as different mounts.

So, in my opinion, Carol is right on the mark

[There are, of course, cases where a person used completely separate mounts for 1 and 2, and thus would need only one new one for 3. Moreover, it is not clear as to which foot a jump mount would imply]

Re: dumb Q about levels

>Carol McLean wrote:

>> A rolling mount is different enough, but the wheel must not stop
>> during a rolling mount.

johnfoss <johnfoss.bls1z@timelimit.unicyclist.com> wrote:

>If it does stop, it’s still different enough from a rollback-type mount
>to count.

In my opinion, the only mounts that can be used are those in the
standard skill list. Almost any other mount would likely be a variation
of one on this list. Use of such a mount would require a subjective
decision by the tester on whether it was sufficiently different from any
other mount used. The skill levels must be judged objectively! Thus,
the mounts should be selected from the standard skill list.

If the rules say otherwise, I’d say that the rules should be changed to
clearly specify that mounts must be selected from the standard skill
list.

I’m tired of hearing about minor mounting variations being used for the
mounts portion of a skill level test. It makes the mounting portion so
easy to perform that it trivializes that aspect of any skill level
(other than the first two levels that is).

Sincerely,

Ken Fuchs <kfuchs@winternet.com>

i managed to land the static last night at the club and left feeling very impressed with myself

i’ve seen a couple of postings of the url’s for the skill levels allowing questioning, learning riders like myself to go and have a look at the levels first hand
i’ve allways preffered to ask in the forum as u then get an answer from someone who understands the levels and can give u a concise answer to your question
interesting to note tho, the different interpretation of something as (relatively) simple as ‘a different mount’
is there an initiative planned to write the gray out of the levels?
and or combine the IUF and USA versions?