If I take some hallucinogenic drugs, then I could have them for myself, and prove it to myself. But there’s no way for me to see god and prove religion to myself.
If you took drugs and saw God, would you believe in Him?
Probably not! So why would you believe in the hallucinations you see from taking drugs?
I have personally experienced hallucinations, so you’re wrong.
Because even dreams are hallucinations caused by DMT while you are sleeping. Everyone has hallucinated. That vision of God may be God or the machinations of your own brain. The hallucination is a product of your brain though. The more valid question would be whether they believe in mass hallucination.
So some people can’t discriminate between what think they hear and what they think they hear? They get mixed up between whether the sounds are coming from inside or outside thier heads.
What’s that got to do with your original question?
Billy, if cleanliness is next to godliness, do you also wonder why atheists bother with soap and toilet paper?
Cathy said: So some people can’t discriminate between what think they
hear and what they think they hear? They get mixed up between whether
the sounds are coming from inside or outside thier heads.
What’s that got to do with your original question?
Cathy: I mean Raphael’s research does not prove the existence of
hallucinations–and only possibly that people “think words.” Big deal.
koebwil said: Because even dreams are hallucinations caused by DMT
while you are sleeping. Everyone has hallucinated. That vision of God
may be God or the machinations of your own brain. The hallucination is a
product of your brain though. The more valid question would be whether
they believe in mass hallucination.
BTMs response:
If we were in another culture where “hallucinations” were not
invalidated but accepted as accurate perception, the research Raphael
cites would yield quite different conclusions, such as:
“Ability to glimpse parallel dimension validated through brain
research.”
Those of you who claim to have had a hallucination did NOT. You
actually had a glimpse into a parallel dimension. Under special
circumstances a person gets visions, which is actually the rare ability
to see through to a parallel dimension.
Many Westerners have been brainwashed to believe their visions are
“hallucinations,” so they invalidate them.
Our prejudicial biases influence how we conceptualize our experience.
There is a lot of research indicating that when GOD is sending messages
to someone, there is specific brain activity. The prejudicial bias
keeps them from framing there conclusions that way. Too many people
assume GOD doesn’t do this, so they frame it another way.
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/04229/362458.stm
If Raphael’s hallucination research proves the existence of
hallucinations, then from the religious brain research one could
conclude: The existence of GOD verified through brain research.
Koebwil: Stop smoking DMT!!!
Curiously, the article you site isn’t one of them.
You better hope Miss A doesn’t see this…
I believe in Germans…oh wait…germs…well they don’t exsist…oh…sorry wrong thred…
Oy.
If that’s the best you can do, I’ll consider you have no argument.
The only “proof” of hallucinations is the PERSONAL EXPERIENCE of a few odd people.
The only proof of GOD is the personal experience of a few people.
Yet you accept hallucinations, but not GOD.
In Soviet Russia, hallucinations accept you.
Ditto, my friend.
I’ll echo what JJuggle says here.
You’re comparing apples and oranges. Perceived vs. actual reality.
Hallucinations are sensory fluctuations which do not necessarily reflect reality, or if so, it’s only the reality as perceived by the hallucinating individual. If someone believes in a hallucination, they’re obviously not connected with reality.
“God” is claimed to have been incarnated in a real-life being (Jeebus) who physically touched other people and changed their lives. This took place in a reality that would have been experienced by many people.
To answer the question of the OP, I’ll say this. I’m an athiest of sorts who has had hallucinations, but realizes those hallucinations are as real as Jeebus… which is to say a fabrication of the mind and not any part of our collective reality.
Right on!
It’s been a very long time since I’ve experienced any chemically induced hallucinations (ah, misspent youth;) ) and I’ve never had one that couldn’t be attributed to some purposely ingested chemical. The one thing about them was, even as they were happening, I was always fully aware that the hallucinations were the result of errant synaptic electrical signals bouncing around in my brain.
Do I consider myself an Atheist? Yup. Have I had hallucinations? Indeed. Do I feel they were ever based on anything ‘real’? Nope.
who says?
everyone knows special people have access to a parallel dimension, no more a sensory fluctuation than watching the races at NAUCC.
You cannot prove differently. You cannot anyone ever had a hallucination. Those that do are taking the word of unreliable individuals. That is not science.
I can anyone ever had a hallucination.
Billy,
What can I say? You’ve finally convinced me. Since I believe that hallucinations exist, god…sorry…God, clearly must exist.
No God, no hallucinations. I finally get it.
now…which God must I believe in? I’d hate to have come so far only to wind up in hell anyways.
Edit: I just occured to me that you COULD be satan trying to convince me into believing the wrong religion, therefore ending up in hell anyways. Who can I turn to in my time of need?