digital camaras with movie and sound ?s

Hi,

I want to get a small digital camara for the trail. I also want to be able to take some short videos if possible. Would like to stay under $300, but I could go over a bit. But don’t let that hinder anyone’s suggestion.

Here’s a sample of what I might be interested in.
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Some other questions.

  1. Does anyone have any recommendations?
  2. Is 5.0 megapixels a must?
  3. Are the videos on the 3.0 mega pixel camaras any good.
  4. What size memory card is necessary, especially since I want to shoot vids?
  5. Any suggestions for locations on the web for good prices

Thanks

  1. I really like my canon SD110. I think it’s video is limited to 3 minutes. I like canon cameras in general.

  2. It’s a must only if you plan on printing large photo’s. For computer viewing and smaller prints its almost irrelevent unless you plan on zooming in and cropping.

  3. Video’s are captured at 640X480 or lower resolutions. Higher resolution photo capturing does you no good.

  4. As large as possible. 128MB at a bare minimum.

  5. I bought mine from CDW.

About three days ago my Nikon Coolpix 4300 digital camera came in the mail from ProfeelVideo.com . It was about $256 after shipping and the mail-in rebate from Nikon. I had no troubles with ordering. The coolpix is a great camera. It’s 4mp, and has a 3x optical Nikon lens. The only peeve I have with it is that the video mode is only 320x240 and has no sound and can only go for 40 seconds at a time. That sucks, but it’ll do. I have a 512mb compactflash card that I got off Amazon.com for $85. It holds about 280 pictures at the camera’s highest resolution (non-RAW). One step down and it’s about 500…
I really like the macro mode for small stuff, as the lens focuses up to 1.6" away from the lens. That’s pretty close! If you want video this is not ideal, but otherwise it’s a great, compact camera for pretty cheap. Also, if you want to spend more, the coolpix 5700 is awesome. That’s my next camera (or 8700), but a while off…

When it comes to video the sony cybershot cameras are probably the best. They can shoot video (I think with sound) for as long as there’s space on the memory card. Also, they’re rather cheap. The only problem is that they use memorystick for memory, which is more expensive than compactflash. You don’t need anything better than 3.2mp, unless you plan on making massive prints. As for a good memory card, I’d reccomend at least 256mb with a 3.2mp or larger resolution, but 512mb or 1gig would be best.

As for the HP camera, I myself wouldn’t get HP because I don’t really like it and I seem to remember hearing some bad reviews of it. Also, for the same price I could get something much better in quality and design.

A note on digital zoom: Don’t listen about digital zoom, optical is what matters. Digital zoom lowers the resolution and just magnifies the center of the image, while optical zoom doesn’t affect resolution. Digital zoom shouldn’t be used, because the same effects as digital zoom can be achieved in the studio after the picture is shot, while optical zoom cannot be replicated after the picture is taken. Basically, that HP camera really only has 3x optical zoom, because the digital is essentially useless. My coolpix has 12x total zoom but I don’t use the digital zoom until after the picture is taken, so really it only has 3x optical. Get what I mean?

Happy choosing.

optio s4

my mum got a new digital camera that is 4 megapixel, has a 3 times zoom is tiny and can take videos of up to a minute(with sound) with pretty good resolution. She got it in Japan so i don’t know the exact cost but it was of a reasnable price. It is an optio s4. Hope i have been of some help,
Mark

I’ll second that. I’ve used 3 different digi cams (fuji, cannon, and a sony cybershot) and the sony had the best video quality. This little video was filmed on a sony cybershot:

http://gallery.unicyclist.com/album127

(keep in mind that encoding it so it was suitable for the internet took some of the sharpness away.)

Thats just my observation.

Bevan, you’re an animal! :stuck_out_tongue:

For reviews and camera info and specs check out
Steve’s DigCams
dpreview

The big megapixel numbers are useful for when you want to crop the photos. There are times where it’s better to take a picture with the wide angle lens (not zoomed in) and then crop away everything that you don’t want. The big megapixel numbers give you that option. 3 megapixels is plenty for printing your photos at 4x6 or 5x7 or larger. You’ll just not have as much leeway for cropping away as much.

For memory, the more the better. I have a 256 MB card and a 4 megapixel camera. 256 MB was not enough when I went to Moab this year. I filled the card with photos and I didn’t take any video. 512 MB would have been handy. If I was doing any video shots then 1 GB would have been better. Memory is cheap now compared to when I bought my camera. I really should buy an additional memory card now.

Shots along the trail often have tricky lighting, meaning there is not always enough light for a good shot. Getting a camera with a faster lens (lower F stop number) will allow you to get better shots in low light situations. With zoom lenses the lower F stops are at the wide angle end of the zoom range. In those cases you’ll often do better to take a shot zoomed out (wide angle) and then cropping away the excess rather than zooming in and getting a blurry picture because of the higher F stop.

Good features for a trail camera are:

  1. Fast lens. Look for low F-stop numbers.
  2. Continuous shot mode with at least 2.5 fps. 3 fps would be better. A burst mode with more would be even better.
  3. Small size so you’re willing to take it with you.

The continuous shot sequences make for some nice photos of action scenes like a jump or a tricky part of the trail. But it takes a high fps to pull it off and many cameras don’t have a high enough fps to do it. One thing I don’t like about my camera is that it is really slow in continuous shot mode. My next camera will be faster, much faster.

The Canon cameras are nice. Like the PowerShot A70, A75 or the Digital Elph series. I’ve never looked at the HP cameras.

Lots of good advice so far. A few other things to keep in mind:

Video:
Video is a “side” feature of a digital camera. It depending on how important the video aspect is to you, but the primary purpose of the camera is stills. Videos are of lower resolution, and some cameras will compress them much more than others.

If you read the detailed review sites, like the ones John Childs listed, you can see the size and frame rate of the camera’s video mode. 320 x 240 is the common size these days, and 15 fps is probably the common frame rate. My old Casio (also John’s camera) did this, up to 30 seconds, no sound. Samples:
http://gallery.unicyclist.com/fossvideo

Today more and more cameras do sound, but make sure it’s included. Some cameras also do 640 x 480, but I don’t know if that has reached your price range. Beware of other limitations, such as the inability to either focus or zoom during the video. My new camera doesn’t zoom. My old one had massive trouble focusing in low light during videos.

Megapixels:
These are, to an extent, less important than the camera’s optics. A good lens goes a long way. 3 megapixels is enough for 11 x 14 prints, even with a slight amount of cropping. If you don’t need bigger, you’re just wasting storage space. Except for cropping, as John mentioned.

My new camera is 6 megapixels. The file size is around 2mb per picture. That adds up fast!

Storage:
No only as much as you can get, but consider what type the camera uses. Sony memory sticks cost a little more, but they’re not as bad as they were a couple of years ago. Secure Digital/Multimedia Cards also cost more than CompactFlast. CF is currently the cheapest. You can get a 1GB Hitachi microdrive to fit a type II CF slot for about $99. Not all CF cameras fit type II though. Best to look for “microdrive” in the description.

You don’t necessarily want a hard drive in your camera though. Mine and Nathan Hoover’s have held up to everything we’ve done with them, including high altitudes and Bhutan for Nathan, but the moving parts are a risk, and they use more battery power than a regular card.

One big card is better than two small cards. If you keep it in the camera it’s not going to get either damaged or lost. Plus, switching cards can cause problems depending on how your camera names the files. My new one starts over a 001 on the new card, making sorting the pictures afterward a hassle.

If your computer has USB 2.0, consider buying a card reader also. I have this one (http://tinyurl.com/yuaoq) and it works great. Much faster than downloading directly from the camera, and it fits all the cards out there. I’ll bring it to Japan, and I’ll be able to download anyone’s pictures! A fast download is real important if your camera takes big pictures or if you take a lot. I do both.

Speed:
One of the most important features on my new camera (http://www.steves-digicams.com/2004_reviews/exp600.html) was speed. I was tired of waiting forever for my old camera(s) to open, close, boot, and shut down. This one is way faster, which is handy in situations like trail rides where you’re stopping to whip it out. The more detailed reviews, like on Steve’s, will tell about the speed.

Where to buy:
You can find real cheap camera prices on the Web. BEWARE! There are lots of companies out there that will bait-and-switch you. The camera may turn out to not be in stock after you place your order, and they will try to upsell you, etc. Read the reviews of a store before ordering from them. Concentrate on the bad reviews. Those are not necessarily typical experiences, but they can show a trend if there are many of them.

I bought my new Casio from Amazon, and paid more than some other stores. I called those other stores to see if they had the camera in stock (it was just hitting the U.S. market). Each told me they had a quantity of one. Sorry, too fishy for me. Too convenient a number.

My previous Caso came from thenerds.net. This order was fine, except the camera arrived with almost no padding in the shipping box. Fortunately the camera’s box itself provided adequate protection for the camera.

I’m a big fan of Buy.com and Amazon. Both have treated me very well. I’ve also done plenty of purchasing through eBay, but you have to check up on sellers first. I’ve only had one “iffy” experience on eBay, with a replacement laser printer cartridge. The lesson there was to buy the name brand, not the slightly cheaper one with toner all over it.

Batteries:
My first two digitals used AA batteries. These are nice in that they’re easily replaceable if you’re on a trip and run out. They can be a hassle otherwise because you’re changing out usually four of them at a time, which can be messy.

My new Casio uses a proprietary battery. I bought two of them. This battery is amazing because it will go for a whole weekend of me shooting (lots of shots!) on a single charge. And it’s the size of 3 CompactFlash cards stacked up. Tiny! If your camera uses a proprietary battery, I highly recommend buying a second one.

I’d sell you my old camera but it’s already found a new home.

Ok, so I have an Ezonics digital Camera that I bought off of a computer shop up here as a joke. The guy was selling 3meg camera’s with video and sound that would take an SD storage card and came with the cable and software and batteries for 149.99 Canadian. i thought, well even if it falls apart or doesn’t work properly then, hell for the price who cares. I can honestly tell you that the quality of Video is just as good as Camara’s worth twice the orice, it can take up to 1 minute of video without a staroge card and up to 8 minutes depending on how big you want to go with the card and the picture quality is awesome. The best part is, for the price, if you bail and smash it, WHO CARES. Buy another one and move on. Probably be able to find them in the states for about 99.00 bucks.
Just my $.02

mine is a Canon Powershot A300. it’s a 3.2 megapixel and it can take video with sound. only $200. pretty good deal i think. i’ve gotten a lot of use out of it.

kyocera

it’s a bit more than you may want to spend ($400 from dell) but the camera i just got yesterday is perfect. 4mp, 3x optical zoom… beh, if you’re interested just go here

i got it mainly for speed… you can go from turned off to having a picture taken and saved into memory in under a second. 3.3 full res. pictures every second and contuionus video until your card runs out. AND it’s the smallest and coolest looking camera i’ve found.

only thing i would change would be the microphone, does not pick up sound as loudly as i would like, but it is definetly hearable.

Zach, that A300 Looks like a good deal for the price. And it’s pretty smart too. How would such a cheap camera know to focus on the bag of Kingsford charcoal? :smiley:

Just kidding. That’s what most any camera would have done, depending on what the shooter did. Moving subjects are tough for digicams, especially if they’re jumping toward the lens. The shooter would have to prefocus on Zach before he jumped, which he may have, and hope for the best. As it is, his face seems to be pretty clear considering the motion and all.

That 149 CDN camera someone else mentioned sounds like it doesn’t have a zoom lens.