Cure for twisted shoulder on slanted surfaces

I’ve finally discovered what makes me ride with a shoulder twisted far back while on slanted surfaces (very uncomfortable after the first mile, and frustrating because it was terrible form). There were many helpful ideas and suggestions on previous threads, and it appears that this issue has different causes for different people and riding styles. Below is what worked for me and I wanted to share in case anyone else is going through this. Apologies in advance if I’m repeating a suggestion already made in another thread.

Basically, I cured the problem by eliminating any pressure on the pedals during up-stroke. (I’m used to pulling up on my MTB pedals, but the uni has no clips and I tend to pedal with the middle of my foot on the uni, making it difficult to do “pedal circles” like on the bike). But by consciously LIFTING my legs, and “staying light” on the pedals during up-stroke, the twisted shoulder problem is completely gone. Of course I still use up-stroke pressure for controlling speed on downhills, but my shoulder never twisted going down, just on flats and uphills.

I think putting unnecessary pressure on pedals during up-stroke puts counter-forces on the uni dynamics, resulting in the shoulder twist.

It appears that another benefit of this technique is the uni is so much better balanced that using a slight FORWARD push “over the top” of the pedal stroke allows me to do very small adjustments in steering that help be stay in the sweet spot on slanted roads and trails.

I’m a beginner so I’m probably (I hope) discovering some basic well-known stuff here, but if anyone else is going through this really annoying problem, I hope this is helpful.

Many thanks for this suggestion.

I’m pretty new to this; managed my first 1.5 mile non-stop ride a couple of days ago. I have a similar problem that I find I lead with my left shoulder when I’m getting a bit tired and lose concentration. I’ve tried to analyse why it happens and came to the conclusion that I’m not applying even pedal pressure each side and the body twist compensates.

Still it’s getting better!
Gary

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Gary, thats interresting … what do you do then - concentrate on the same pressure on both sides ? I feel the same leading of one shoulder when I am riding (don´t now what side but I have tryed to sit “anyway in an other way” (don´t now how to write it in englisch) but maybee it is the pressure - I will have a look on this. It is a little confusing at the moment because also the sattle fixation. Every now and then it is getting a little out of the middle.

I’d say untwist it.
Edit: Nevermind, I thought you twisted it.

So maybe one more try - clearly , I have to untwist the sattle. But when I am getting tired - I feel like I have to correct more and more this one-shoulder-in-front-“problem” (it doesn´t hurt in my case) but I begin to twist myself more and more. So maybe it comes from that what Gary sad. Not the same pressure on both sides, but I don´t think so, because I am not getting tired in the legs. (Maybe more in concentration) But I will give it a try.

Does all guys ride with the sattle “exact” in the middle without twist - or DO somepeople twist it because of comfort a little to the left or right …
Stupid question ???

Twisting question - for my new KH on order - do I have to open the clamp for untwisting, or the same way of the normal untwisting (wheel between the legs and twist with the sattle?)

I didn’t recommend twisting the saddle. I was having a try at humor, but failed miserably for missunderstanding the problem:D

When I start getting the shoulder leading feeling it often feels like the saddle is twisted, but it isn’t.

I’ve been trying to concentrate on lightening the pressure on the pedals and this seems to help. It can sometime happen if I’m trying to compensate for a sloping or cambered path.

Not sure I have the answers but it’s good to discuss these things and hear how others feel about them and maybe how they’ve solved the problem. The better I get the less it’s an issue and keeping more weight in the saddle helps.
Gary

That sounds like a good question! I actually wondered if twisting the saddle the other way would balance it out but I decided it might develop into a bad habit and I should try and solve the problem.

Mr. Modesty. It was 1.5 laps of the rowing lake, which is a good 2 miles.

Things that make the uni feel twisted:

Inadequately inflated tyre.

Bad tyre profile.

Camber.

Saddle not quite straight.

Not sitting straight on the saddle.

Too much tension in the legs.

Too much tension in the shoulders.

Concentrating too much.

One testicle being much heavier than the other.

It must have been modesty that prevented me using the last reason or maybe it’s just about dressing to one side :wink:

I’ll plead guilty to most of the other failings though :frowning:

Great list. I’ve tried all these (even weighed each nut, compensated for difference by taping a quarter to the left one) and by far, having too much tension in the legs was the main culprit for me. Staying light during pedal up-stroke, staying relaxed, and keeping weight in saddle have eliminated my shoulder-twist problem. Now I can focus on idling…

Speed Up and you straighten Out. IMHO

I find the twisting problem especially when I’m getting tired combined with a camber on the trail and a head-wind.
One thing that is helping for me, interestingly, is to speed up. When I get fatigued I tend to slow down, which I’m learning actually can take more energy and adds to my leaning.

Dave – nice Lotus! I had mine at the track a couple weeks ago. Funny I logged in here and saw your post and image, did a double-take because I thought I was on Lotustalk!

Minimutant- I PM’d you.

Crazy, I was thinking I was the only one with this problem! lol
I tend to lead with my left shoulder as well when I lose my concentration or for a while after a right turn until I get my proper balance back (I find right turns more difficult than left’s). The fix, for me, is reminding myself to sit on the saddle and to straighten up. Usually if my shoulder’s leading, then I’m leaning forward in the saddle. But if I straighten my back and look ahead using good posture, then me shoulder goes back into place.

Not so modest. You did 1.5 lengths of the lake, but didn’t correct me when I accidentally wrote “laps”.:stuck_out_tongue:

Didn’t even notice, just read the 2 miles bit!

The Lotus thread!

Having seen Dave Elliott and Munimutant’s comments I’m beginning to feel left out as I only have a fake Lotus, a Westfield - guess that means I’m the poor relation :wink:

But more on topic, it’s great that so many folks have similar problems. The basics for us learners sometimes seem lost with all this talk of Uni spins and crank flips - one day!

Here Here ---- I’m just thrilled to be able to go straight with limited UPD’s and improving distances. This Coker makes me feel young again. We’re going on a two week lake cabin vacation and I’m taking it along. No OCD here. :sunglasses:

A lake cabin? So that’s a sort of oblong boat?