"Crash physics" and protection [Re: My Coker ride two week ago]

>Actually I don’t think that I “hit” my arm. I think the bruise was caused
>by the force of the impact on my wrists/hands. I really don’t think that
>there is any protective gear that would have helped “protect” my arm from
>this (relatively minor) injury.

First off, we assume that all unicyclists are smart enough [there are
plenty of counter examples, but no one will convince them until they or a
good rider they know injure their head while riding] to wear a helmet
whenever riding.


In a fall there are two main components of force on the human body,
straight down due to gravity, and parallel to the riding surface (usually
close to horizontal).

The gravity component:

It is true that there isn’t much that can be done about gravity, unless
one wears a balloon suit which simulates the protection of an auto air
bag. Let’s say the balloons offer 15 cm of cushion (before popping)
vs. less than a mm of soft flesh over the hands, knees, etc. In both
cases, the vertical velocity component is the same. The
de-acceleration while wearing the balloons is much smaller since the
balloons can be compressed 15cm before they pop. The de-acceleration
without balloons is very large since the rider’s flesh compresses less
than a mm over bony areas without doing significant damage. The
magnitude of the de-acceleration into the ground is what causes
damage. If the acceleration is large enough, the death of the rider
may result, as in a case without protection. If the acceleration is
small enough, no significant damage occurs, as may occur with the
balloon protected body, assuming the balloons reduce the velocity to
zero with or without popping.

A more practical protective gear might be 1 cm of dense foam sewed into
clothing for complete body protection (used in addition to helmets, wrist
protectors, knee pads, elbow pads, etc.). The 1cm of dense foam should
compress at least 5 mm on impact, probably at least 10 times as much as
unprotected flesh near a joint without significant damage.

The danger of a vertical fall increases rapidly as the height of the
unicycle seat increases.

The (linear) momentum component:

Rolling into a ball just prior to impact will convert the linear momentum
into rolling momentum until the rider stops moving due to air friction and
rolling friction with the riding surface. Some damage may occur because no
rider can become a perfectly round ball or wheel and simply roll to a
stop. However, proper protective gear could minimize any such “bumpy
rolling” damage.

Sometimes a fall occurs so suddenly that the most the rider may be able to
do is place his arms between himself and the impact point. Remember that
we are only considering the impact component parallel to the riding
surface in this section. In this type of fall, no rolling occurs and the
much stronger sliding friction applies. The friction of bare hands and
knees against concrete or tar is so high that sections of skin tear off
because skin doesn’t really slide on these surfaces without the
lubrication of torn skin fragments (and probably not even then). Since the
rider doesn’t really slide agianst the rider surface, his body
de-accelerates (parallel to the rider surface) very quickly and the high
de-acceleration can cause a great deal of damge, and even death, depending
on how fast the rider was moving parallel to the ground at the time of
impact. (No obstacle is needed to cause horrific damage.)

On the other hand, hands protected by wrist protectors and knees protected
by hard covered knee pads have a very small sliding friction against
concrete and tar. A small amount of the outer surface of the wrist
protector and knee pads is ground off and provides lubrication between the
protectors and the riding surface. All the potential energy (parallel to
the riding surface) of the rider wearing hard protection is converted into
grinding a small amount of the protector off and into sliding friction
between the rider’s protectors and the riding surface. The de-acceleration
parallel to the riding surface is very small since the rider simply slides
over it with very little friction. No damage due to linear momentum
parallel to the riding surface occurs (unless an obstacle is hit).


Note: Sliding friction is usually lower than “gripping” friction due to
the lubricating effect of small particles torn from either or
both surfaces.

Sincerely,

Ken Fuchs <kfuchs@winternet.com

In article <mailman.1005185771.26380.rsu@unicycling.org>, Ken Fuchs
<kfuchs@winternet.com> wrote: ) )First off, we assume that all unicyclists
are smart enough [there are )plenty of counter examples, but no one will
convince them until they or )a good rider they know injure their head
while riding] to wear a )helmet whenever riding.

Just like all joggers are “smart enough” to always wear a helmet when
jogging. -Tom

Unicycling=Jogging=no safety concern, therefore unicycling=no safety concern?

Let’s assume this is true. Therefore: No saftey concern for head=nothing in head to be concerned about=no nead for a helmet. :wink:

Or perhaps we could persue the skill level argument. Need for safety equipment is inversly related to skill level; there for, a rank of level 1 scores a 10 out of 10 on the need for safey equipment scale. Now, let’s practically apply this: Kris Holm doffs helmet, hand and limb protection, therefore Kris=level 1 skill level. Some one tell that boy he should not be iddling yet- he has not yet reached the famed “Jogger Level”. :smiley:

Christopher LeFay
(who’s level of skill is not reflected by his Kevlar and Balistic Nylon)

In article <9se6cd$e37$1@laurel.tc.umn.edu>, rhysling
<forum.member@unicyclist.com> wrote: ) ) )Unicycling=Jogging=no safety
concern, therefore unicycling=no )safety concern? ) )Let’s assume this is
true. Therefore: No saftey concern for head=nothing )in head to be
concerned about=no nead for a helmet. :wink: ) )Or perhaps we could persue the
skill level argument. Need for safety )equipment is inversly related to
skill level; there for, a rank of level )1 scores a 10 out of 10 on the
need for safey equipment scale. Now, )let’s practically apply this: Kris
Holm doffs helmet, hand and limb )protection, therefore Kris=level 1 skill
level. Some one tell that boy )he should not be iddling yet- he has not
yet reached the famed “Jogger )Level”. :smiley:

I think the suggestion that unicycling is inherently a dangerous activity
is inaccurate, and the suggestion that all unicyclists should always wear
helmets is asinine. Sure, there are a lot of unicyclists who do
potentially dangerous things–I’ve heard Kris Holm say that 80% of his
dismounts are unintentional. Trials, MUni, and Cokering probably are
helmet-worthy. But riding a 24" unicycle along a sidewalk or the side of a
road–how is that any more dangerous than jogging? The kinetic energy
involved is very similar, as is the likelihood of mishap.

For that matter, you’re a lot more likely to get a head injury driving
your car to work in the morning. -Tom

I’ve broken my plastic wrist guard last week on a stupid fall while riding
on the pavement, going to my trials practice. I never ever assume I won’t
wipe out even if the probability is low.

Oli-

-----Original Message----- From: Tom Holub [mailto:doosh@best.com] Sent:
Thursday, November 08, 2001 11:24 AM To: rsu@unicycling.org Subject: Re:
“Crash physics” and protection [Re: My Coker ride two week ago]

In article <9se6cd$e37$1@laurel.tc.umn.edu>, rhysling
<forum.member@unicyclist.com> wrote: ) ) )Unicycling=Jogging=no safety
concern, therefore unicycling=no )safety concern? ) )Let’s assume this is
true. Therefore: No saftey concern for head=nothing )in head to be
concerned about=no nead for a helmet. :wink: ) )Or perhaps we could persue the
skill level argument. Need for safety )equipment is inversly related to
skill level; there for, a rank of level )1 scores a 10 out of 10 on the
need for safey equipment scale. Now, )let’s practically apply this: Kris
Holm doffs helmet, hand and limb )protection, therefore Kris=level 1 skill
level. Some one tell that boy )he should not be iddling yet- he has not
yet reached the famed “Jogger )Level”. :smiley:

I think the suggestion that unicycling is inherently a dangerous activity
is inaccurate, and the suggestion that all unicyclists should always wear
helmets is asinine. Sure, there are a lot of unicyclists who do
potentially dangerous things–I’ve heard Kris Holm say that 80% of his
dismounts are unintentional. Trials, MUni, and Cokering probably are
helmet-worthy. But riding a 24" unicycle along a sidewalk or the side of a
road–how is that any more dangerous than jogging? The kinetic energy
involved is very similar, as is the likelihood of mishap.

For that matter, you’re a lot more likely to get a head injury driving
your car to work in the morning. -Tom



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I’ve broken my plastic wrist guard last week on a stupid fall while riding
on the pavement, going to my trials practice. I never ever assume I won’t
wipe out even if the probability is low.

Oli-

-----Original Message----- From: Tom Holub [mailto:doosh@best.com] Sent:
Thursday, November 08, 2001 11:24 AM To: rsu@unicycling.org Subject: Re:
“Crash physics” and protection [Re: My Coker ride two week ago]

In article <9se6cd$e37$1@laurel.tc.umn.edu>, rhysling
<forum.member@unicyclist.com> wrote: ) ) )Unicycling=Jogging=no safety
concern, therefore unicycling=no )safety concern? ) )Let’s assume this is
true. Therefore: No saftey concern for head=nothing )in head to be
concerned about=no nead for a helmet. :wink: ) )Or perhaps we could persue the
skill level argument. Need for safety )equipment is inversly related to
skill level; there for, a rank of level )1 scores a 10 out of 10 on the
need for safey equipment scale. Now, )let’s practically apply this: Kris
Holm doffs helmet, hand and limb )protection, therefore Kris=level 1 skill
level. Some one tell that boy )he should not be iddling yet- he has not
yet reached the famed “Jogger )Level”. :smiley:

I think the suggestion that unicycling is inherently a dangerous activity
is inaccurate, and the suggestion that all unicyclists should always wear
helmets is asinine. Sure, there are a lot of unicyclists who do
potentially dangerous things–I’ve heard Kris Holm say that 80% of his
dismounts are unintentional. Trials, MUni, and Cokering probably are
helmet-worthy. But riding a 24" unicycle along a sidewalk or the side of a
road–how is that any more dangerous than jogging? The kinetic energy
involved is very similar, as is the likelihood of mishap.

For that matter, you’re a lot more likely to get a head injury driving
your car to work in the morning. -Tom



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www.unicycling.org/mailman/listinfo/rsu

Brains that are too dumb to decide that a helmet should be worn, don’t
deserve one.

Klaas Bil

On Thu, 8 Nov 2001 14:55:09 +0000 (UTC), rhysling
<forum.member@unicyclist.com> wrote:

>
>
>Unicycling=Jogging=no safety concern, therefore unicycling=no
>safety concern?
>
>Let’s assume this is true. Therefore: No saftey concern for head=nothing
>in head to be concerned about=no nead for a helmet.
>
>Or perhaps we could persue the skill level argument. Need for safety
>equipment is inversly related to skill level; there for, a rank of level
>1 scores a 10 out of 10 on the need for safey equipment scale. Now, let’s
>practically apply this: Kris Holm doffs helmet, hand and limb protection,
>therefore Kris=level 1 skill level. Some one tell that boy he should not
>be iddling yet- he has not yet reached the famed “Jogger Level”. :smiley:
>
>Christopher LeFay (who’s level of skill is not reflected by his Kevlar
>and Balistic Nylon)
>
>
>Tom Holub wrote:
> > Just like all joggers are “smart enough” to always wear a helmet when
> > jogging. -Tom
>
>
>–
>rhysling Posted via the Unicyclist Community -
>http://unicyclist.com/forums


“To trigger/fool/saturate/overload Echelon, the following has been picked
automagically from a database:” “tank, North Korea, assault rifle”

> Unicycling=Jogging=no safety concern, therefore unicycling=no safety
> concern?

I don’t unicycle at jogging speed. And my feet aren’t on the ground while
I’m doing it. Also, didn’t we just read a bunch of crash stories in the
last few days? Ouch.

> Let’s assume this is true. Therefore: No safety concern for head=nothing
> in head to be concerned about=no nead for a helmet.

I see that theory being put to practice all the time :slight_smile:

> Or perhaps we could persue the skill level argument. Need for safety
> equipment is inversly related to skill level;

No. I will contend that frequency of use of safety equipment (impacts) is
inversely related to skill level, assuming riders are doing the same
activity. But as one’s skill level goes up, one tends to try harder and
harder things.

Kris Holm, for example. Can you imagine him doing what he does without
pads? Not any more. He’s a great role model.

John Foss, the Uni-Cyclone jfoss@unicycling.com www.unicycling.com

“Our time is a most precious commodity, but it’s how we spend it that
makes us rich.” - John Foss

> Unicycling=Jogging=no safety concern, therefore unicycling=no safety
> concern?

I don’t unicycle at jogging speed. And my feet aren’t on the ground while
I’m doing it. Also, didn’t we just read a bunch of crash stories in the
last few days? Ouch.

> Let’s assume this is true. Therefore: No safety concern for head=nothing
> in head to be concerned about=no nead for a helmet.

I see that theory being put to practice all the time :slight_smile:

> Or perhaps we could persue the skill level argument. Need for safety
> equipment is inversly related to skill level;

No. I will contend that frequency of use of safety equipment (impacts) is
inversely related to skill level, assuming riders are doing the same
activity. But as one’s skill level goes up, one tends to try harder and
harder things.

Kris Holm, for example. Can you imagine him doing what he does without
pads? Not any more. He’s a great role model.

John Foss, the Uni-Cyclone jfoss@unicycling.com www.unicycling.com

“Our time is a most precious commodity, but it’s how we spend it that
makes us rich.” - John Foss

> Unicycling=Jogging=no safety concern, therefore unicycling=no safety
> concern?

I don’t unicycle at jogging speed. And my feet aren’t on the ground while
I’m doing it. Also, didn’t we just read a bunch of crash stories in the
last few days? Ouch.

> Let’s assume this is true. Therefore: No safety concern for head=nothing
> in head to be concerned about=no nead for a helmet.

I see that theory being put to practice all the time :slight_smile:

> Or perhaps we could persue the skill level argument. Need for safety
> equipment is inversly related to skill level;

No. I will contend that frequency of use of safety equipment (impacts) is
inversely related to skill level, assuming riders are doing the same
activity. But as one’s skill level goes up, one tends to try harder and
harder things.

Kris Holm, for example. Can you imagine him doing what he does without
pads? Not any more. He’s a great role model.

John Foss, the Uni-Cyclone jfoss@unicycling.com www.unicycling.com

“Our time is a most precious commodity, but it’s how we spend it that
makes us rich.” - John Foss

> I think the suggestion that unicycling is inherently a dangerous
> activity is inaccurate, and the suggestion that all unicyclists should
> always wear helmets is asinine.

Though I would not say wearing a helmet is asinine, I will agree that
unicycling carries no big level of danger. It’s probably more dangerous
than walking, but I will contend that it’s safer than the dreaded bathtub.

> Trials, MUni, and Cokering probably are helmet-worthy. But riding a 24"
> unicycle along a sidewalk or the side of a road–how is that any more
> dangerous than jogging?

Only a little, not enough to demand a helmet. When riding with cars, I
would continue to recommend the helmet. It’s not going to hurt you, and it
presents a better image for unicycling. But yes, riding down the sidewalk,
or even practicing tricks, the need for a helmet is far less than riding
on rocks or at high speed.

For me, when I ride the MUni the helmet is always on. But when I do
tricks, which is usually indoors, I don’t wear one. And the main reason I
wear one on the track at conventions is a) to keep the sun off my
baldness, and b) to set a good example for the kiddies.

Stay on top, John Foss, the Uni-Cyclone jfoss@unicycling.com
www.unicycling.com

“Our time is a most precious commodity, but it’s how we spend it that
makes us rich.” - John Foss

> I think the suggestion that unicycling is inherently a dangerous
> activity is inaccurate, and the suggestion that all unicyclists should
> always wear helmets is asinine.

Though I would not say wearing a helmet is asinine, I will agree that
unicycling carries no big level of danger. It’s probably more dangerous
than walking, but I will contend that it’s safer than the dreaded bathtub.

> Trials, MUni, and Cokering probably are helmet-worthy. But riding a 24"
> unicycle along a sidewalk or the side of a road–how is that any more
> dangerous than jogging?

Only a little, not enough to demand a helmet. When riding with cars, I
would continue to recommend the helmet. It’s not going to hurt you, and it
presents a better image for unicycling. But yes, riding down the sidewalk,
or even practicing tricks, the need for a helmet is far less than riding
on rocks or at high speed.

For me, when I ride the MUni the helmet is always on. But when I do
tricks, which is usually indoors, I don’t wear one. And the main reason I
wear one on the track at conventions is a) to keep the sun off my
baldness, and b) to set a good example for the kiddies.

Stay on top, John Foss, the Uni-Cyclone jfoss@unicycling.com
www.unicycling.com

“Our time is a most precious commodity, but it’s how we spend it that
makes us rich.” - John Foss

> I think the suggestion that unicycling is inherently a dangerous
> activity is inaccurate, and the suggestion that all unicyclists should
> always wear helmets is asinine.

Though I would not say wearing a helmet is asinine, I will agree that
unicycling carries no big level of danger. It’s probably more dangerous
than walking, but I will contend that it’s safer than the dreaded bathtub.

> Trials, MUni, and Cokering probably are helmet-worthy. But riding a 24"
> unicycle along a sidewalk or the side of a road–how is that any more
> dangerous than jogging?

Only a little, not enough to demand a helmet. When riding with cars, I
would continue to recommend the helmet. It’s not going to hurt you, and it
presents a better image for unicycling. But yes, riding down the sidewalk,
or even practicing tricks, the need for a helmet is far less than riding
on rocks or at high speed.

For me, when I ride the MUni the helmet is always on. But when I do
tricks, which is usually indoors, I don’t wear one. And the main reason I
wear one on the track at conventions is a) to keep the sun off my
baldness, and b) to set a good example for the kiddies.

Stay on top, John Foss, the Uni-Cyclone jfoss@unicycling.com
www.unicycling.com

“Our time is a most precious commodity, but it’s how we spend it that
makes us rich.” - John Foss

John Foss wrote:

<snip>
> Kris Holm, for example. Can you imagine him doing what he does without
> pads? Not any more. He’s a great role model.

Which reminds me… I seem to have seen plenty of pictures of Bymaster
coasting without helmet or anything. It was pretty wild!

I haven’t heard from him for awhile…

Is he dead? Or just buried in engineer work?

Christopher

“Be Bold and mighty forces will come to your aid.” -Basil King (Anyone who
can give me more info on THIS Basil King please email
me.)

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Brett is alive and well although he’s busy at his new job. I talked to him
a few days ago and it wasn’t hard to convince him to go riding with us
this weekend. And yes, he has sometimes done High Speed Gliding without
protection…but that’s ok for a wildman like him.

—Nathan

“Christopher Grove” <c_r_grove@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:3BEAF567.66A80EC4@yahoo.com
> Which reminds me… I seem to have seen plenty of pictures of Bymaster
> coasting without helmet or anything. It was pretty wild!
>
> I haven’t heard from him for awhile…
>
> Is he dead? Or just buried in engineer work?
>
> Christopher

Most of you who have been in the newsgroup awhile know my stand on
Helmets. I still believe if you are under 18, trying new skills, have no
heath insurance or trying to set an example, protection should be worn.

Barb K.

>Ken Fuchs <kfuchs@winternet.com> wrote:

>)First off, we assume that all unicyclists are smart enough [there are
>)plenty of counter examples, but no one will convince them until they or
>)a good rider they know injure their head while riding] to wear a )helmet
>whenever riding.

Sorry, I intended this first paragraph of my article to be a qualifier
that I wasn’t considering head injuries, because any (careful) unicyclist
would wear a helmet whenever they ride. My article considered other types
of protective equipment and I wanted to make the point that the wearing of
a helmet is highly recommended.

doosh@best.com (Tom Holub) wrote:

>Just like all joggers are “smart enough” to always wear a helmet
>when jogging.

Jogging and unicycling are very different sports, so what may be
reasonable in one sport may not be reasonable in the other.

Any unicycling close to the limits of a rider’s ability may result in a
fall, thus such a rider should wear a helmet and other protective
equipment. A fall can also occur in all other (safer) types of unicycling
for numerous reasons (bump, dip or pothole in the road, insufficient
concentration, a distraction, foot slipping off pedal, etc. or any
combination of these), so a helmet and possibly other protective equipment
is still recommended for less risky unicycling as well.

The risk of falling while jogging is probably several orders of magnitude
less than the risk of falling while unicycling. Falling while jogging is
rare, so there is no compelling reason for a jogger to wear a helmet.
However, joggers with physcial or medical conditions that affect balance
adversely, probably should wear a helmet despite how strange that might
look to others.

Sincerely,

Ken Fuchs <kfuchs@winternet.com

>Ken Fuchs <kfuchs@winternet.com> wrote:

>)First off, we assume that all unicyclists are smart enough [there are
>)plenty of counter examples, but no one will convince them until they or
>)a good rider they know injure their head while riding] to wear a )helmet
>whenever riding.

Sorry, I intended this first paragraph of my article to be a qualifier
that I wasn’t considering head injuries, because any (careful) unicyclist
would wear a helmet whenever they ride. My article considered other types
of protective equipment and I wanted to make the point that the wearing of
a helmet is highly recommended.

doosh@best.com (Tom Holub) wrote:

>Just like all joggers are “smart enough” to always wear a helmet
>when jogging.

Jogging and unicycling are very different sports, so what may be
reasonable in one sport may not be reasonable in the other.

Any unicycling close to the limits of a rider’s ability may result in a
fall, thus such a rider should wear a helmet and other protective
equipment. A fall can also occur in all other (safer) types of unicycling
for numerous reasons (bump, dip or pothole in the road, insufficient
concentration, a distraction, foot slipping off pedal, etc. or any
combination of these), so a helmet and possibly other protective equipment
is still recommended for less risky unicycling as well.

The risk of falling while jogging is probably several orders of magnitude
less than the risk of falling while unicycling. Falling while jogging is
rare, so there is no compelling reason for a jogger to wear a helmet.
However, joggers with physcial or medical conditions that affect balance
adversely, probably should wear a helmet despite how strange that might
look to others.

Sincerely,

Ken Fuchs <kfuchs@winternet.com

In article <mailman.1005279074.5233.rsu@unicycling.org>, Ken Fuchs
<kfuchs@winternet.com> wrote: ) )Any unicycling close to the limits of a
rider’s ability may result in a )fall, thus such a rider should wear a
helmet and other protective )equipment.

I agree.

) A fall can also occur in all other (safer) types of )unicycling for
numerous reasons (bump, dip or pothole in the road, )insufficient
concentration, a distraction, foot slipping off pedal, etc. )or any
combination of these), so a helmet and possibly other protective
)equipment is still recommended for less risky unicycling as well. ) )The
risk of falling while jogging is probably several orders of )magnitude
less than the risk of falling while unicycling. Falling while )jogging is
rare, so there is no compelling reason for a jogger to wear a )helmet.

Falling while unicycling in unchallenging conditions, for reasonably
experienced unicyclists, is about rare as falling while jogging. I ride
almost every day, and I can’t recall a fall during normal riding within
the past year. I fell a few times in the first couple of months after I
learned, and I still fall occasionally working on new skills. Though
none of my falls have endangered my head at all. I had several falls
while running cross-country in high school. None of those endangered my
head either.

I’m all for safety, but let’s be realistic. -Tom

In article <mailman.1005279074.5233.rsu@unicycling.org>, Ken Fuchs
<kfuchs@winternet.com> wrote: ) )Any unicycling close to the limits of a
rider’s ability may result in a )fall, thus such a rider should wear a
helmet and other protective )equipment.

I agree.

) A fall can also occur in all other (safer) types of )unicycling for
numerous reasons (bump, dip or pothole in the road, )insufficient
concentration, a distraction, foot slipping off pedal, etc. )or any
combination of these), so a helmet and possibly other protective
)equipment is still recommended for less risky unicycling as well. ) )The
risk of falling while jogging is probably several orders of )magnitude
less than the risk of falling while unicycling. Falling while )jogging is
rare, so there is no compelling reason for a jogger to wear a )helmet.

Falling while unicycling in unchallenging conditions, for reasonably
experienced unicyclists, is about rare as falling while jogging. I ride
almost every day, and I can’t recall a fall during normal riding within
the past year. I fell a few times in the first couple of months after I
learned, and I still fall occasionally working on new skills. Though
none of my falls have endangered my head at all. I had several falls
while running cross-country in high school. None of those endangered my
head either.

I’m all for safety, but let’s be realistic. -Tom