Chain driven giraffe ultimate wheel?

Has anyone ever heard of someone learning to ride a giraffe ultimate wheel? I am
thinking of learning this by cutting off my seatpost at the weld of my crank on
my six foot unicycle. I am hoping this will be a new trick. If anyone has heard
of this please let me know so I do not waste my time learning something that has
already been done. No need getting all those bruises for nothing hehehehe. Also
I am still looking for a 8 to 10 foot giraffe. If anyone knows where I can get
one please let me know at flyjwt@yahoo.com. DM unicycles is the only one I can
find and they have orders backed up. Talk to you later.

  • John Wayne

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Re: Chain driven giraffe ultimate wheel?

<wolfgang.stroessner@sap.com>
> wrote:
>
>In that case, you could ride your giraffe ultimate with your hands while
>performing a handstand. That would definitely be a new trick.

That would be cool! Has anyone ever tried this with an ordinary ultimate???
Better wear a helmet…


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RE: Chain driven giraffe ultimate wheel?

> >In that case, you could ride your giraffe ultimate with your hands while
> >performing a handstand. That would definitely be a new trick.
>
> That would be cool! Has anyone ever tried this with an ordinary ultimate???
> Better wear a helmet…

It’s been done by more than one performer. I once pictured Swedish performer
Raino on the cover of the IUF section in On One Wheel, around 1991-92. He rode
an ultimate wheel with his hands, on a slackrope. I consider this to be possibly
the most difficult unicycling feat ever performed.

One of the most famous unicyclists to ride inverted is Mel Hall, who is
featured in a movie called Sensations of 1945 freemounting and riding a
(customized) 9 footer inverted. More currently, Sem Abrahams also rides an
inverted standard unicycle.

The ultimate giraffe is a theoretical unicycle that we used to argue about. Jack
Halpern was on the optimist side, insisting that if a rider practice enough, it
should be possible. I was more pragmatic, saying that the rider needs something
to leverage to keep the unicycle under him. We’ve been waiting 18 years for
someone to actually try it…

Stay on top (and be careful!), John Foss, the Uni-Cyclone
http://www.unicycling.com

“Dirt: it’s not just for breakfast anymore.” - MUni Weekend 2000 T-shirt (idea
by Jacquie)

RE: Chain driven giraffe ultimate wheel?

> Another VERY difficult skill which I have been advocating as possible for many
> years is riding while STANDING ON THE SEAT (sideways, I guess).

Now you know if you do this, Jack will just ask you to push the envelope
(further) and do it uphill… :slight_smile:

jf

RE: Chain driven giraffe ultimate wheel?

> When I took a trip around the world back in 1980 preparing the ground for
> founding the IUF, I was in Sweden, where I was exchanging skills with a local
> unicyclist – his name slipped my mind now, but John Foss knows it.

It was Joakim Malm, from the Stockholm area. He used to work at a skate park, in
the “pro” shop. This skate park also sold unicycles, and this was during the era
when the Miyatas with plastic bumpers on the seats just came out. He learned to
ride, and applied his skills from surfing and skateboarding to the unicycle.

When he heard from a friend that this guy Jack Halpern would be in town to
promote an international unicycling organization, he went down to see. Among the
tricks he showed off was coasting, which he had not thought much about, and was
just getting the hang of. He did it with one foot on the fork and the other
hanging out to the side, wherever needed.

Of course Jack was blown away, because he had never seen or heard of it. I still
have not heard of any accounts of unicycle coasting from before this, though we
have to remember 100 years of history since vaudeville, and there may have been
performers who did it.

> Suddely, he says “Hey can you do this”? and starts coasting! This was just
> after a trip to NY where Bill Jenack and his son John Jenack were VEHEMENTLY
> arguing that coasting is “against the laws of physics” and they started
> lecturing me how poor my knowledge of physics is and presented absolute
> “proof” whay this is impossible.

That argument continued, even after I went to Sweden in 1983 and timed Joakim’s
friend Peter Holmgren, coasting around in circles in his gym. He kept it up for
16.3 seconds, without a touch to the tire. John Jenack still wasn’t convinced,
and insisted there was some foot contact with the tire, though it might have
been unintentional. Now we know otherwise.

Joakim Malm, Peter Holmgren, and Hakan Furuskar (sp?) developed several other
unicycling tricks, many taking advantage of the plastic seat bumpers. Though not
all were originals, these were some of the things they learned on their own:

  • coasting
  • gliding
  • seat drag
  • bounce seat on floor
  • 540 unispin

There was another guy from a different part of Sweden (Koping), who emulated
these guys and wanted to learn all their tricks. But he was a few years younger
and they didn’t pay him much attention. His name was Peter Rosendahl, who did
learn all their tricks, and go on to become a professional performer. He was the
first world champion of Freestyle (UNICON
I), and now holds a vast number of Guinness world records.

> So as far as I know, the earliest coasters are form 1980.

Yes, I believe Joakim developed coasting not long before Jack’s visit to Sweden
in late 1980.

> Here is a little shock concerning coasting. The Hino uni club (remember, they
> took second place in group at UX) classify their skills in to three or four
> categories of difficulty. Coasting is listed under “beginners” :-)!

That’s pretty sick. I wonder how they define coasting? And what’s the rest of
their list? Could you share that with us?

Also, what was the name of the group those little basketball queens were from?
They looked like they had about the most fun of anybody at the convention. Add
to their “beginner skills” list Sumo Spinning!

Stay on top, John Foss, the Uni-Cyclone http://www.unicycling.com

“Dirt: it’s not just for breakfast anymore.” - MUni Weekend 2000 T-shirt (idea
by Jacquie)

Re: Chain driven giraffe ultimate wheel?

flyjwt@my-deja.com wrote:
>
> Has anyone ever heard of someone learning to ride a giraffe ultimate wheel?

Jack Halpern talked about that some time ago. I don’t think he realy did it, but
I’m not sure about that.

> I am thinking of learning this by cutting off my seatpost at the weld of my
> crank on my six foot unicycle. I am hoping this will be a new trick.

It probably would be.

> If anyone has heard of this please let me know so I do not waste my time
> learning something that has already been done. No need getting all those
> bruises for nothing hehehehe.

In that case, you could ride your giraffe ultimate with your hands while
performing a handstand. That would definitely be a new trick.

> Also I am still looking for a 8 to 10 foot giraffe.

You need it with a seat post or as an ultimate?

Wolfgang

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Re: Chain driven giraffe ultimate wheel?

At 08:25 AM 9/12/00 +0000, flyjwt@my-deja.com wrote:
>Has anyone ever heard of someone learning to ride a giraffe ultimate wheel? I
>am thinking of learning this by cutting off my seatpost at the weld of my crank
>on my six foot unicycle. I am hoping this will be a new trick. If anyone has
>heard of this please let me know so I do not waste my time learning something
>that has already been done.

Yeah, it’s been done. Check out page 7 in the book “Go, Dog. Go!”
:slight_smile:

-Rick

SV: Chain driven giraffe ultimate wheel?

<<wolfgang.stroessner@sap.com> <> wrote: <> <>In that case, you could ride your
giraffe ultimate with your hands while <>performing a handstand. That would
definitely be a new trick.

<That would be cool! Has anyone ever tried this with an ordinary ultimate???
Better wear a helmet…

-It has been done!! Some years ago a Swedish guy (I have forgotten his name)
performed in a circus with this trick. But not only did he ride an ultimate
wheel on his hands, he did it on a tight rope!! He stoped doing that trick,
because the audience did not understand how hard it was…

Somebody must have understod how hard it was, at least he ended up at a Swedish
stamp… I will put it on my server today, it is rather cool. Take a look at
www.unicycle.dk/ultimate

Lars Lottrup “Team Sumo” Denmark

Re: SV: Chain driven giraffe ultimate wheel?

>Somebody must have understod how hard it was, at least he ended up at a Swedish
>stamp… I will put it on my server today, it is rather cool. Take a look at
>www.unicycle.dk/ultimate

That is so cool! How long ago was it when that stamp came out? Is it still
available?

Re: Chain driven giraffe ultimate wheel?

Greetings

In message “Chain driven giraffe ultimate wheel?”, flyjwt@my-deja.com wrote…
>Has anyone ever heard of someone learning to ride a giraffe ultimate wheel? I
>am thinking of learning this by cutting off my seatpost at the weld of my
>crank on my six foot unicycle. I am hoping this will be a new trick. If anyone
>has heard of this please let me know so I do not

I did exactly what you described with a 5-ffot giraffe. I have always maintained
that it is possible to ride it. Personally, I didn’t practice too much, but from
the little I did I can tell you: it is REEEEAAAAL hard.

If you do it, I am sure you will be the first even in the world. Please send
us pictures!

>waste my time learning something that has already been done. No need getting
>all those bruises for nothing hehehehe. Also I am still looking for a 8 to 10
>foot giraffe. If anyone knows where I can get one please let me know at
>flyjwt@yahoo.com. DM unicycles is the only one I can find and they have orders
>backed up. Talk to you later.
>
>- John Wayne
>
>
>Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.
>
>

Regards, Jack Halpern CJK Dictionary Publishing Society, http://www.kanji.org
Voice: +81-48-481-3103 Fax: +81-48-479-1323

Re: Chain driven giraffe ultimate wheel?

I think unicycle.com has some 8 and 10 foot used giraffe unicycles for sale.

-Dan ----- Original Message ----- From: <flyjwt@my-deja.com> To:
<unicycling@winternet.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2000 1:25 AM Subject:
Chain driven giraffe ultimate wheel?

> Has anyone ever heard of someone learning to ride a giraffe ultimate wheel? I
> am thinking of learning this by cutting off my seatpost at the weld of my
> crank on my six foot unicycle. I am hoping this will be a new trick. If anyone
> has heard of this please let me know so I do not waste my time learning
> something that has already been done. No need getting all those bruises for
> nothing hehehehe. Also I am still looking for a 8 to 10 foot giraffe. If
> anyone knows where I can get one please let me know at flyjwt@yahoo.com. DM
> unicycles is the only one I can find and they have orders backed up. Talk to
> you later.
>
> - John Wayne
>
>
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.

Re: Chain driven giraffe ultimate wheel?

be careful, lol

<flyjwt@my-deja.com> wrote in message news:8pkp90$pfd$1@nnrp1.deja.com
> Has anyone ever heard of someone learning to ride a giraffe ultimate wheel? I
> am thinking of learning this by cutting off my seatpost at the weld of my
> crank on my six foot unicycle. I am hoping this will be a new trick. If anyone
> has heard of this please let me know so I do not waste my time learning
> something that has already been done. No need getting all those bruises for
> nothing hehehehe. Also I am still looking for a 8 to 10 foot giraffe. If
> anyone knows where I can get one please let me know at flyjwt@yahoo.com. DM
> unicycles is the only one I can find and they have orders backed up. Talk to
> you later.
>
> - John Wayne
>
>
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.

Re: Chain driven giraffe ultimate wheel?

Greetings

In message “RE: Chain driven giraffe ultimate wheel?”, John Foss wrote…
>
>The ultimate giraffe is a theoretical unicycle that we used to argue about.
>Jack Halpern was on the optimist side, insisting that if a rider practice
>enough, it should be possible. I was more pragmatic, saying that the rider
>needs something to leverage to keep the unicycle under him. We’ve been waiting
>18 years for someone to actually try it…

It’s really no big deal to build one. Any courageous souls around? Another VERY
difficult skill which I have been advocating as possible for many years is
riding while STANDING ON THE SEAT (sideways, I guess). I have heard tghe cries
of impossible for this, as I have heard them for coasting back in 1980/81. Any
brave souls?

>
>Stay on top (and be careful!), John Foss, the Uni-Cyclone
>http://www.unicycling.com
>
>“Dirt: it’s not just for breakfast anymore.” - MUni Weekend 2000 T-shirt (idea
>by Jacquie)
>
>

Stay on top, Jack Halpern, IUF Vice President Website: http://www.kanji.org

Re: Chain driven giraffe ultimate wheel?

Greetings

In message “RE: Chain driven giraffe ultimate wheel?”, John Foss wrote…
>> Another VERY difficult skill which I have been advocating as possible for
>> many years is riding while STANDING ON THE SEAT (sideways, I guess).
>
>Now you know if you do this, Jack will just ask you to push the envelope
>(further) and do it uphill… :slight_smile:

Don’t be so modest – why not do a hand stand on the seat as you spin up
a hill :-)?

>jf
>
>

Regards, Jack Halpern CJK Dictionary Publishing Society, http://www.kanji.org
Voice: +81-48-481-3103 Fax: +81-48-479-1323

Re: Chain driven giraffe ultimate wheel?

Greetings

In message “RE: Chain driven giraffe ultimate wheel?”, John Foss wrote…

Thanks for clarifying this very interesting piece of history. Wouldn’t it be
great if we had a book and/or website with the history off important skills –
something in the syle you derscribe. Who did it, where, perhaps about its name
etc. Suchknowledge will just disappear one day if we don’t record
it.

This make me wonder. Does anyine know the history of walking the wheel.

>> When I took a trip around the world back in 1980 preparing the ground for
>> founding the IUF, I was in Sweden, where I was exchanging skills with a
>> local unicyclist – his name slipped my mind now, but John Foss knows it.
>
>It was Joakim Malm, from the Stockholm area. He used to work at a skate park,
>in the “pro” shop. This skate park also sold unicycles, and this was during
>the era when the Miyatas with plastic bumpers on the seats just came out. He
>learned to ride, and applied his skills from surfing and skateboarding to the
>unicycle.
>
>When he heard from a friend that this guy Jack Halpern would be in town to
>promote an international unicycling organization, he went down to see. Among
>the tricks he showed off was coasting, which he had not thought much about,
>and was just getting the hang of. He did it with one foot on the fork and the
>other hanging out to the side, wherever needed.
>
>Of course Jack was blown away, because he had never seen or heard of it. I
>still have not heard of any accounts of unicycle coasting from before this,
>though we have to remember 100 years of history since vaudeville, and there
>may have been performers who did it.
>
>> Suddely, he says “Hey can you do this”? and starts coasting! This was just
>> after a trip to NY where Bill Jenack and his son John Jenack were VEHEMENTLY
>> arguing that coasting is “against the laws of physics” and they started
>> lecturing me how poor my knowledge of physics is and presented absolute
>> “proof” whay this is impossible.
>
>That argument continued, even after I went to Sweden in 1983 and timed
>Joakim’s friend Peter Holmgren, coasting around in circles in his gym. He kept
>it up for 16.3 seconds, without a touch to the tire. John Jenack still wasn’t
>convinced, and insisted there was some foot contact with the tire, though it
>might have been unintentional. Now we know otherwise.
>
>Joakim Malm, Peter Holmgren, and Hakan Furuskar (sp?) developed several
>other unicycling tricks, many taking advantage of the plastic seat bumpers.
>Though not all were originals, these were some of the things they learned on
>their own:
>
>- coasting
>- gliding
>- seat drag
>- bounce seat on floor
>- 540 unispin
>
>There was another guy from a different part of Sweden (Koping), who emulated
>these guys and wanted to learn all their tricks. But he was a few years
>younger and they didn’t pay him much attention. His name was Peter Rosendahl,
>who did learn all their tricks, and go on to become a professional performer.
>He was the first world champion of Freestyle (UNICON
>I), and now holds a vast number of Guinness world records.

“Vast” nuber? Can you brifly list the main ones?

>> So as far as I know, the earliest coasters are form 1980.
>
>Yes, I believe Joakim developed coasting not long before Jack’s visit to
>Sweden in late 1980.
>
>> Here is a little shock concerning coasting. The Hino uni club (remember,
>> they took second place in group at UX) classify their skills in to three or
>> four categories of difficulty. Coasting is listed under “beginners” :-)!
>
>That’s pretty sick. I wonder how they define coasting? And what’s the rest of
>their list? Could you share that with us?

Ok, I’ll try to get hold of it and get it translated.

>Also, what was the name of the group those little basketball queens were from?
>They looked like they had about the most fun of anybody at the convention. Add
>to their “beginner skills” list Sumo Spinning!

I’ll find out and get back to you.

>Stay on top, John Foss, the Uni-Cyclone http://www.unicycling.com
>
>“Dirt: it’s not just for breakfast anymore.” - MUni Weekend 2000 T-shirt (idea
>by Jacquie)
>
>

Regards, Jack Halpern CJK Dictionary Publishing Society, http://www.kanji.org
Voice: +81-48-481-3103 Fax: +81-48-479-1323

SV: SV: Chain driven giraffe ultimate wheel?

<>Somebody must have understod how hard it was, at least he ended up at a
<>Swedish stamp… I will put it on my server today, it is rather cool. Take
<>a look at www.unicycle.dk/ultimate

<That is so cool! How long ago was it when that stamp came out? Is it <still
available?

I am not sure, I found in at a collectors stand 10 years ago, but as you can se
on the stamp (if you click on it) there is a year in the bottom, 1987. That must
have been when they printed it.

Lars Lottrup The Crazy Dane

Re: Chain driven giraffe ultimate wheel?

Greetings

In message “Re: Chain driven giraffe ultimate wheel?”, Rick Bissell wrote…
>At 08:25 AM 9/12/00 +0000, flyjwt@my-deja.com wrote:
>>Has anyone ever heard of someone learning to ride a giraffe ultimate wheel? I
>>am thinking of learning this by cutting off my seatpost at the weld of my
>>crank on my six foot unicycle. I am hoping this will be a new trick. If
>>anyone has heard of this please let me know so I do not waste my time
>>learning something that has already been done.
>
>
>Yeah, it’s been done. Check out page 7 in the book “Go, Dog. Go!”
>:-)

I may be out of synch here, as I have been away for a while. Surely this must be
a mistake!? What is “Go, Dog, Go!” anyway?

>-Rick
>
>
>

Stay on top, Jack Halpern, IUF Vice President Website: http://www.kanji.org

Re: Chain driven giraffe ultimate wheel?

At 11:56 PM 9/23/00 +0900, Jack Halpern wrote:

> >Yeah, it’s been done. Check out page 7 in the book “Go, Dog. Go!”
> >:-)
>
>I may be out of synch here, as I have been away for a while. Surely this must
>be a mistake!? What is “Go, Dog, Go!” anyway?

I was just making a joke, “Go, Dog, Go!” is a children’s book, for beginning
readers. It is published by the same company that does the Dr. Suess books. But
there really is a drawing of a dog riding an ultimate giraffe on page 7 !

-Rick

Re: Chain driven giraffe ultimate wheel?

Greetings

In message “Re: Chain driven giraffe ultimate wheel?”, Kris Holm wrote…
>Hi,
>
>> John Foss wrote…
>>
>> I have heard tghe cries of impossible for this, as I have heard them for
>> coasting back in 1980/81. Any brave souls?
>
>So out of interest, then, how long ago did people start learning how to coast?

When I took a trip around the world back in 1980 preparing the ground for
founding the IUF, I was in Sweden, where I was exchanging skills with a local
unicyclist – his name slipped my mind now, but John Foss knows
it.

Suddely, he says “Hey can you do this”? and starts coasting! This was just after
a trip to NY where Bill Jenack and his son John Jenack were VEHEMENTLY arguing
that coasting is “against the laws of physics” and they started lecturing me how
poor my knowledge of physics is and presented absolute “proof” whay this is
impossible.

So as far as I know, the earliest coasters are form 1980.

Here is a little shock concerning coasting. The Hino uni club (remember, they
took second place in group at UX) classify their skills in to three or four
categories of difficulty. Coasting is listed under “beginners” :-)!

>-Kris.
>
>
>
>
>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>>
>> >
>> >Stay on top (and be careful!), John Foss, the Uni-Cyclone
>> >http://www.unicycling.com
>> >
>> >“Dirt: it’s not just for breakfast anymore.” -
>> MUni Weekend 2000 T-shirt
>> >(idea by Jacquie)
>> >
>> >
>>
>> Stay on top, Jack Halpern, IUF Vice President Website: http://www.kanji.org
>
>
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