Camelbaks....

After going on that awsome MUni ride to Lloyd’s house in Truckee, I realized that I want to get a Camelbak. I checked out Camelbak’s website, and I think the model that I want is the CamelBak M.U.L.E. I’ve been trying to find a good deal, and I think this looks like a pretty good one:

http://www.summithut.com/catalog/remap/product.asp/pfid/9244/

Anyone have any advice on Camelbaks and/or the link above?

Thanks,

Jess Riegel

The 90-degree valve is great, you can easily keep the nipple in your mouth or you can hang it over your shoulder, out of the way yet convenient. And when you’re transporting it, you don’t have to worry about leakage.

My only suggestion is an insulated hose if you like your water chilled, otherwise it warms up in the hose between drinks. Or freezes in the winter.

I’ve had the mule for over a year and I think it’s great.

-Eric

camelbak

for twenty bucks you can get a generic little pack and for thirty you can get a larger generic backpack. I got my small pack for $20 at Target. It has a lifetime warranty and has a pocket for tools. Based on the camelbak on your link, you might want the $30 one because it has large pockets too.

Camelbak Rim Runner

Consider the Camelbak Rim Runner. It’s bigger than the the M.U.L.E. I can fit my helmet, 661-Dulley shoes, gloves and wrist guards in the main pocket, (and still room for my soon-to-be-purchased leg protection). There is a smaller pocket with a few comartments that I keep all my tools to fix/tighten when I’m on the trail, as well as a camera, keys and several granola bars. It uses a 3 liter water bag. Side pockets I use for skeeter repellant and sunblock. Can be used as beer holders in a a pinch. It’s handy so I can keep all my riding gear in one place.

When I’m actually riding that big bag will hold a change of clothes or jacket if the weather craps out.

Also plenty of room for an extra 3 liter bag of water. (A ~MUST~ for Moab rides!)

If you are on a short ride and don’t need all that storage space, it cinches down fairly small.

I think it’s better to have the extra space and maybe not need it every time than to not have enough room for that sandwich, or extra jacket on the long rides/hikes/ski day.

Check out the Rim Runner before you decide.

my 2 cents. Hope you found it helpful.

Re: Camelbaks…

I have a Camelbak H.A.W.G., it carries 70ozs and has lots of storage space.
I have had other models of Camelbak. Hydration is very important on long
rides, and especially in warm weather.
The Camel back is rugged and of sturdy constraction, and wears very well. I
have had this one for 4 years, and all I have replaced is the bladder, only
cuz it got discolored, not because it leaked.

Any hydration system is better than none at all!

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> After going on that awsome MUni ride to Lloyd’s house in Truckee, I
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> website, and I think the model that I want is the CamelBak M.U.L.E.
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My favorite backpack style hydration pack is the Ultimate Direction XSpurt

SuperGo has last years model on sale. Sale link Price is $39.98. Last years model had a different bite valve than this years model. The old style bite valve works just fine for me.

The big advantage to the Ultimate Direction packs is that they’re more stable than the Camelbak and other packs. The Ultimate Direction packs sit lower on your back rather than higher up by your shoulders. With the pack down lower it doesn’t bounce around as much when you jump around. I’m perfectly happy jumping up a flight of stairs with my Ultimate Direction pack on. The pack stays put on my back. If I had a Camelbak I’d be taking the pack off and throwing it on the ground when I start jumping around.

The yoke on the shoulder straps is adjustable by use of Velcro. You adjust the yoke so the pack sits at the right spot on your back.

It’s a fairly roomy pack. At Moab I put two bladders in the pack.

It’s the best pack on the market, IMHO, even though the Camelbak’s are way more popular.

One question: do you really want 3 liters? How long of trips are you planning to make with your hydration system? It’s not necessarily a bad thing, but if you’re just heading to the skate park, 2 liters should be fine.
I got myself a 3-liter un-bottle to slip into a backpack for longer rides, but for 10 mile rides or less, I’ve got a small 2-liter hydration system that works just fine.
Just food (or water) for thought.

While I haven’t yet given it the Happy Jumping Up Flight of Stairs test, I’d agree with John on how this pack rides. I like that element of it much better than my Camelbak CloudWalker, which was my main riding pack until I bought the sxpurt.

One caveat: the pack is great, but I think the bladder/valve combo kind of bites. The seal on the bladder happens by rolling up the end of the bag, versus the nice screw-cap on the Camels. The Camel bite valves are also superior, require a heck of a lot less maintenance (no moving parts), and are much quicker to replace when the rubber eventually wears out. I’m using the xspurt as my main pack now, although with the Camelbak bladder and valve.

The roll top closure on the bladder works very well and is quite handy for making it easier to fill and clean. The roll top closure has never leaked on me even when I sat on it.

The old style bite valve isn’t ideal. The new bite valve is more like the Camelbak style bite valve.

Ultimate Direction does sell the new style bite valve by itself.
<http://www.ultimatedirection.com/accessories_pr.html>
It’s $6.00. You should be able to order it from REI or any other retailer that carries Ultimate Direction stuff (check the UD web site for dealers). It would probably be a special order item.

I made myself a homemade camelback using some string, tape, an old pair of construction suspenders, and a gatorade bottle. it doesn’t have the little hose, and you have to take it off to get a drink; but it works for me and the price was negligable. carjug

On the Slickrock ride I only had the one 3-liter (100oz) bag and was rationing, still ran out a mile or so from the end. That’s why I now have the 2nd bag.

Here in Colorado, I’m never riding below 5,500 feet, usually around 7,000-10,000 actually, and it’s dry and usually hot. I’ve emptied all 6 liters on more than one ride. (Waldo Canyon & Apex Trail) If I’m on a short ride, or I’m just doinking around, I just fill the one bag 1/2-3/4.

So yeah, I think The bigger 3-liter is the way to go.

Thanks for all the advice!

Now I can’t decide between the xspurt and the camelbak…ugh…
Didn’t someone say that REI has xpurts or something?
I think I’m going to visist my local REI and check it out…

Thanks again everyone!!!

-Jess

REI does carry Ultimate Direction gear. But I don’t know if every store stocks a lot of UD gear. Give your local store a call to see what they have before making a special trip to the store.

I got my XSpurt at rei-outlet.com But they don’t have them listed in the outlet shop now. I don’t think you’re going to be able to beat the price at supergo.com.

I am a fan of lumbar type hydration packs for muni because they tend to bounce less and I feel less encumbered with no shoulder straps. I recently found one I think is great, the Hydra Pak Hip-Sip 70. It was the only one I could find with enough capacity after my discontinued Camelbak Bandido was stolen. Now that I have used it for 100 muni miles I am extremely satisfied and it is much better than the Bandido. This pack is very stable and comfortable. It does not flop around when hopping so I no longer take my pack off when stopping to do some trials riding while on a muni ride. It holds 70 oz, plus room for a 24 oz “reserve” gatorade bottle, tools, phone, pump, etc. It has the large roll-type closure and I have had no leakage, and the bladder survived a full backlflop landing a couple of weeks ago.
The only negative I had was that the bladder it came with was defective and leaked immediately upon filling. I emailed them a picture of the failure and they sent me a new bladder and hose assembly no problem. I also had them send me the new shut-off style bite valve because it did not come with one as I thought it would. The bite valves are high flow and work great, but do tend to leak when the pack is laying around. The shut off valve takes care of that and is extremely easy to operate. Attached is a photo of the back structure which the web sites don’t show. Also, the waist strap makes a great place to mount a wireless computer, it puts it just within the transmitting range of my Cateye Cordless 2 (N model).

The HipSip70 is hard to find and I have seen prices as high as $90, but snowski.com is where I got mine and they just lowered the price to $45.
HydraPak.com

Scott

Nice! I also have a Camelbak Bandido. I use the Bandido for shorter rides since it only holds 70 oz. Good lumbar (bum bag) style packs are great for muni. They are more stable than a backpack style pack.

The hard part is finding a lumbar style pack that holds 70 oz of water along with enough storage for gear. All I see in the stores are the little ones that hold 40 oz to 50 oz and no room for gear. I’ve seen the 50 oz Hydrapak Hip Sip 50 at REI but never the 70 oz model. I didn’t even know they made a 70 oz model. Now I have something to replace the Camelbak Bandido when it finally dies. Sweet!

Yes, I was really upset when my Bandido went away and couldn’t be replaced, but after several days of web searching I found the this and it really is better in every way. The only thing I miss is the side pockets the Bandido had which were easy to access while riding. Great for the cell
phone and snacks.
A couple of points about capacity:
I don’t mind carrying a supplemental bottle in the pack because it is nice to know that when you suck the pack dry in the middle of nowhere, you have a reserve. Otherwise I sometimes don’t notice that I have used all my water and I am a long way from home. I also kind of like having Gatorade once in a while along the ride.
Also, I have discovered the importance of “pre-hydrating”, at least for me. I now drink a quart of Gatorade within 30 minutes of the start of a ride, and I find I drink much less water until later in the ride. So, carrying 70 oz seems to work when I would have needed 100 oz before.

Scott

I have learned a lot on this thread.

I ride with an old camelbac, 1.5 liter. I have been planning on replacing it with a newer model. The H.A.W.G. and the Mule are two I have been considering.

Then you guys start talking about the back-pack style not staying in place well enough while riding. Mine always does great. In fact, I rarely even notice it is on my back, until I feel the need for fluid, then I’m glad it is there. Almost all my lunchtime rides are very mild river walk style trails, sidewalks or roads.

Today I did a lunch ride and decided to do some hopping and field riding. Wow, was I amazed. My camelbac was bouncing around everywhere.

I will look into the waist models and low back models. Thanks to all for the great thread and all the links. --chirokid–

At least for everyone, whether they realize it or not.

My camelbak is only the 70oz model, but with pre-hydration, it’s plenty whether I’m running, dirt biking, unicycling, or unibiking. If only I could wear it for windsurfing. You know the saying ‘by the time you’re thirsty, you’ve waited too long’. Pre-hydration is very popular among long distance runners. Along with carb and fat loading the day before, it is also recommended to drink a lot of excess fluids the day before, as well as the morning of the run. A little practice will teach you how much you can drink, as well as how soon before a long run or ride, without having to stop 15 minutes into the race to look for a tree. Apparently, once you start working hard and perspiring heavily, the kidneys and bladder stop their annoying production (as long as you don’t stop to rest). From this point, continuing to drink at regular intervals (before thirst), will help to give you that second wind many times during a race or long ride. Or (as you said) , at least for me.

I had a request to show how if the Roach pads can be strapped to the Ultimate Direction XSpurt pack.

The Roach arms fit in the external cargo area very well. I usually stuff the Roach arms in there when the ride starts off with a logging road climb.

The Roach legs don’t fit as well. You can fit them in sideways, but then they stick out like a pair of wings. If you get an additional strap you could strap them on vertically, but you’d have to fiddle around with jerry rigging your own modified strapping system.

Here’s a picture showing how the Roach arms and Roach legs can be strapped on the pack.