Calling all uni techies

Hi All,

The street riding, jumping and dropping in UNiVERsE has inspired me to the point
where I’m out on my 20" uni virtually every spare moment of daylight I get.
However, said 20" is a Taiwanese import and is starting to complain from hopping
and small drops. This leads me on to my quest for a new uni…

I’m after a 20" street uni that won’t break, but knowing very little about the
technicalities as to what assorted components can take, I have a shed load of
questions as to which components should comprise my dream machine. If anyone
knows the exact spec of either Dan or Ryan’s 20" street unicycles used in
UNiVERsE that’d do just fine. I ain’t anywhere near their level but it’d be nice
to know that I’ll break before my uni does :wink: Unicycle Source US has the
Semcycle Deluxe http://www.unicyclesource.com/Semcycle90853.html which is kind
of what I’m after but I fear the Suzie hub ain’t up for the job.

All thoughts and recommendations on the following are warmly received:

The Hub I want a hub that can take drops - 6’ tops. The Suzie’s cheap but is it
strong enough or do I need to go for a splined hub and cranks like the Profile
Poznanter?

Rim I want a nice fat tyre such as the Monty Trials 20 x 2.5-inch knobby. So I
need a strong rim that’ll take a tyre of this girth.

Spokes MUni grade?

Frame Needs to be strong and light. Hmmm… needs to take whichever hub gets the
vote and fit the fat tyre.

Again - all thoughts and recommendations on the above are warmly received
:slight_smile:

Cheerly, Neil

RE: Calling all uni techies

Hi Neil,

The eventual intent is to have a trials uni setup that can be sold with either
the Poznanter or standard (Suzue) hub. This way one could buy the less expensive
standard setup and then upgrade to the Poz hub as needed (or just get the best
one right away!). Also, no matter what, a stronger hub will be heavier than the
Suzue, and unneccesary for some people.

Currently using a Poz hub isn’t possible because of minimum stock Profile crank
lengths (only Profile brand cranks will fit the 48 spline Poz axle). This will
hopefully change in future as Profile has indicated they may be willing to make
shorter cranks for us.

Cheers,

Kris.

— Neil Dunlop <n.dunlop@kildrummy.co.uk> wrote:
> Hi Kris,
>
> Good point about cheap crank problems if I go for the Suzue. John Drummond
> says Dan and Adam (I keep calling him Ryan???) were using Suzue hubs in their
> Schwinns and Adam’s only gave out after the 11 foot drop in UNiVERsE.
> Realistically this sounds the way to go - $$$. This quest of mine is turning
> out to be a master balancing act between cost, desire and patience :wink:
>
> Neil
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: “Kris Holm” <danger_uni@yahoo.com> To:
> “Neil dunlop” <neild@roachmill.demon.co.uk> Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2000
> 10:35 PM Subject: Re: Calling all uni techies
>
>
> >> One thought:
> >>
> >> The Suzue hub may last longer with a Monty wheel
> setup
> >> than a 26" setup, due to lower leverage with the
> much
> >> shorter cranks. Of course, then you run into
> cheap
> >> crank problems which are almost as frustrating!
> >>
> >> -Kris.
> >>
> >> — Neil dunlop <neild@roachmill.demon.co.uk>
> wrote:
> >> > Hey Roger,
> >> >
> >> > “Roger Davies” <Roger.Davies@Octacon.Co.Uk>
> wrote in
> >> > message news:002101c02256$5a0235c0$2c00a0c0@p333
> >> > >
> >> > > Hub: from what I understand the Susue is the
> >> > strongest standard hub
> >> > > available with the exception of the post
> hardened
> >> > NK hubs done by Geoff.
> >> > > Whether this is strong enough I guess we need
> to
> >> > ask Dan.
> >> > >
> >> >
> >> > Chris Reeder’s recent post says, "Yes. The
> Suzue
> >> > hub is the best standard hub I’ve ever used. It lasted me one day short
> of
> >> > six weeks. I used it with 175mm Black Widows, I weigh 150 lbs, and
> my
> >> > biggest drops are a little higher than the unicycle is tall.". He also
> sings
> >> > the praises of the Poznanter hub. I really want to get this wheel
> right
> >> > first time so this looks like the way to go hub wise.
> >> >
> >> > > Rim: if you go for the Monty you will need
> their
> >> > rim. It is smaller
> >> > > diameter. The od of the tyre is the same as
> on
> >> > most 20" unis so you should
> >> > > be able to fit it in your standard frame.
> >> >
> >> > This might well have to do (for the time being anyroad) if the hub hunt
> >> > results in the Poznanter - $$$
> >> >
> >> > Cheerly, Neil
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
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RE: Calling all uni techies

> You can get just the hub on its own so it’ll be a case of hunting down some
> shorter splined cranks.

> > The Poz Hub uses splined cranks that only go down to 160mm
> - and you don’t really want any longer than 140mm cranks on a 20".

When it comes to 20" wheels, there may indeed be a problem with finding any
splined cranks short enough. The easiest solution at this point may have to be
getting them cut down and welded shorter.

Good luck, John Foss, the Uni-Cyclone http://www.unicycling.com

“Dirt: it’s not just for breakfast anymore.” - MUni Weekend 2000 T-shirt (idea
by Jacquie)

Re: [Re: Calling all uni techies]

I “test drove” the first set of cranks Terry made. They are the only cranks I’ve
never bent and lasted 5 months before I stripped the thread on one of them. I
put a heck of a lot of stress on them so I was very impressed that they stood up
to my punishment.

Terry basicly took some really solid MTB cranks, cut them down to a
shorter length and re-tapped them. I recommend getting a set, I wish I had
another pair :frowning:

Peter

Terry Osell at Osell’s (home of Paul Wyganowski Frames) in Minneapolis has done
some crank shortening. I think they’ll charge $20-25 for the work. I just talked
to Paul and he said they don’t have this down to an exact science yet.

If you talk to them they can give you the technical in’s and out’s.

Osell’s Custom Bicycles St Anthony Shopping Center 2908 Pentagon Drive NE St
Anthony MN 55418-3209 phone 612.788.5200

I now have Paul’s first Trials Frame prototype in my possession. I hope to begin
more rigorous testing early next week when my schedule opens up.

keep on trying, dustin klem unicycling productions www.dustin.kelm.com

(remove the BICYCLE from the above address to send me your brain waves)

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Re: Calling all uni techies

In a message dated 25/09/00 5:20:09 AM CST, reed8990@uidaho.edu writes:

> New trials frame, eh? Does that mean it’s lighter than the United frames?

Hey Chris, I’m pretty sure sure Paul is using 4031 tubing. Weight would vary
slightly from frame to frame because the seat tube height is based on your
inseam. I’m really not sure how the weight would compare to United. The frame
designs we are working on utilize a flat fork crown so the uni can be used for
more freestyle applications. If you want a unicrown fork design, Paul can make
those as well.

hope this helps, Dustin

Unicycling Productions

Re: Calling all uni techies

Hi Neil,

Hub: from what I understand the Susue is the strongest standard hub available
with the exception of the post hardened NK hubs done by Geoff. Whether this is
strong enough I guess we need to ask Dan.

Rim: if you go for the Monty you will need their rim. It is smaller diameter.
The od of the tyre is the same as on most 20" unis so you should be able to fit
it in your standard frame.

Spokes: big! yes I agree here as big as we can get you.

Cheers

Roger


 The UK's Unicycle Source <a href="http://www.unicycle.uk.com/">http://www.unicycle.uk.com/</a>

----- Original Message ----- From: “Neil Dunlop” <n.dunlop@kildrummy.co.uk> To:
“Unicycle Newsgroup” <unicycling@winternet.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 19,
2000 2:58 PM Subject: Calling all uni techies

> Hi All,
>
> The street riding, jumping and dropping in UNiVERsE has inspired me to the
> point where I’m out on my 20" uni virtually every spare moment of daylight
I
> get. However, said 20" is a Taiwanese import and is starting to complain from
> hopping and small drops. This leads me on to my quest for a new
uni…
>
> I’m after a 20" street uni that won’t break, but knowing very little about the
> technicalities as to what assorted components can take, I have a shed load of
> questions as to which components should comprise my dream machine. If anyone
> knows the exact spec of either Dan or Ryan’s 20" street
unicycles
> used in UNiVERsE that’d do just fine. I ain’t anywhere near their level
but
> it’d be nice to know that I’ll break before my uni does :wink: Unicycle
Source
> US has the Semcycle Deluxe
http://www.unicyclesource.com/Semcycle90853.html
> which is kind of what I’m after but I fear the Suzie hub ain’t up for the job.
>
> All thoughts and recommendations on the following are warmly received:
>
> The Hub I want a hub that can take drops - 6’ tops. The Suzie’s cheap but is
> it strong enough or do I need to go for a splined hub and cranks like the
> Profile Poznanter?
>
> Rim I want a nice fat tyre such as the Monty Trials 20 x 2.5-inch knobby. So I
> need a strong rim that’ll take a tyre of this girth.
>
> Spokes MUni grade?
>
> Frame Needs to be strong and light. Hmmm… needs to take whichever hub gets
> the vote and fit the fat tyre.
>
> Again - all thoughts and recommendations on the above are warmly received
> :slight_smile:
>
> Cheerly, Neil
>

Re: Calling all uni techies

Hey Roger,

“Roger Davies” <Roger.Davies@Octacon.Co.Uk> wrote in message
news:002101c02256$5a0235c0$2c00a0c0@p333
>
> Hub: from what I understand the Susue is the strongest standard hub available
> with the exception of the post hardened NK hubs done by Geoff. Whether this is
> strong enough I guess we need to ask Dan.
>

Chris Reeder’s recent post says, “Yes. The Suzue hub is the best standard hub
I’ve ever used. It lasted me one day short of six weeks. I used it with 175mm
Black Widows, I weigh 150 lbs, and my biggest drops are a little higher than
the unicycle is tall.”. He also sings the praises of the Poznanter hub. I
really want to get this wheel right first time so this looks like the way to
go hub wise.

> Rim: if you go for the Monty you will need their rim. It is smaller diameter.
> The od of the tyre is the same as on most 20" unis so you
should
> be able to fit it in your standard frame.

This might well have to do (for the time being anyroad) if the hub hunt results
in the Poznanter - $$$

Cheerly, Neil

Re: Calling all uni techies

The Poz Hub uses splined cranks that only go down to 160mm - and you don’t
really want any longer than 140mm cranks on a 20".

Leo White

P.S. I’m hoping to build a Smonty too when Roger gets some Rims in!

Re: Calling all uni techies

Hi Leo,

You can get just the hub on its own so it’ll be a case of hunting down some
shorter splined cranks.

Neil

“Leo White” <leo.white@cableinet.co.uk> wrote in message
news:hJRx5.2716$g12.166308@news1.cableinet.net
> The Poz Hub uses splined cranks that only go down to 160mm - and you don’t
> really want any longer than 140mm cranks on a 20".
>
> Leo White
>
> P.S. I’m hoping to build a Smonty too when Roger gets some Rims in!
>

Re: Calling all uni techies

Neil, What you want … what you really, really want is a 20" DM ATU with:
Monty Rim + Tyre Alu Seatpost from Roger Miyata saddle with Roger’s carbon base
(not cheap!) 135 or 140 mm splined cranks (shortened by DM - like his shortened
150’s) Frame either a shortened DMATU

  • or a standard Ringmaster 20" with special 6203-3/4-2RS (OD 40-mm)
    Imperial/Metric bearings

(and in my dreams it would be all black!)

BUT it wouldn’t be cheap (which rules me out for a while)

AND you’d have to persuade Dave that it was an interesting and worthwile
project, as it would entail a fair amount of retooling/rejigging, & buying stuff
in from suppliers that he has no account with etc.

Leo White, Cheltenham

Re: Calling all uni techies

We can dream :wink:

It’s shaping up at the moment to look like a Schwinn frame, Suzue hub and Monty
rim and tyre. As and when the Poz hub gets some shorter cranks I’ll dish the
dosh me thinks.

Neil

“Leo White” <leo.white@cableinet.co.uk> wrote in message
news:Zs7y5.7556$g12.415047@news1.cableinet.net
> Neil, What you want … what you really, really want is a 20" DM ATU with:
> Monty Rim + Tyre Alu Seatpost from Roger Miyata saddle with Roger’s carbon
> base (not cheap!) 135 or 140 mm splined cranks (shortened by DM - like his
> shortened 150’s) Frame either a shortened DMATU
> - or a standard Ringmaster 20" with special 6203-3/4-2RS (OD 40-mm)
> Imperial/Metric bearings
>
> (and in my dreams it would be all black!)
>
> BUT it wouldn’t be cheap (which rules me out for a while)
>
> AND you’d have to persuade Dave that it was an interesting and worthwile
> project, as it would entail a fair amount of retooling/rejigging, & buying
> stuff in from suppliers that he has no account with etc.
>
> Leo White, Cheltenham
>

Re: Calling all uni techies

> If anyone knows the exact spec of either Dan or Ryan’s 20" street unicycles
> used in UNiVERsE that’d do just fine.

As far as I remember the spec for the Dan’s SMONTY was:

Schwinn frame (probably a 24") Monty RIM/tyre on Suzue Hub Strange circliped
bearings to attach them to the frame Standard Miyata saddle & stem Alu 140 mm
cranks shortened by Tom Miller - light but vulnerable to bending (Dan said that
135’s might be better) Lightweight plastic pedals with grip filed down to help
grinding on benches

CRANKS Cranks of that length are a pig to get hold of.

  1. Wait until someone starts up a cottage industry shortening/drilling and
    tapping cranks like Arthur Doerksen and probably Tom Miller in the US.
    (Hint Roger?).
  2. You can get 145mm Miche road bike chainsets and cut the spider off (from
    Deeside Cycles)
  3. Unicycle source USA lists 139mm steel Semcycle cranks
  4. Unicycle source UK lists Pashley 20" Munis as being sold with 135mm cranks
    (might be a typo).

N.B. Which ever you use you’d probably have to treat them as consumables if you
jump off too many obstacles.

> It’s shaping up at the moment to look like a Schwinn frame, Suzue hub and
> Monty rim and tyre. As and when the Poz hub gets some shorter cranks I’ll dish
> the dosh me thinks.
>
> Neil

The Poz hub and shortened cranks will be way expensive over here - most of the
way to a DM ATU!

Leo

P.S. I’m still waiting for my Monty rim’n’tyre - the lightweight BMX rim I’ve
been using with a MAXXIS 2.2 tyre is looking the worse for wear and I’ve
only been practicing jumping upwards and laterally - not downwards!

Re: Calling all uni techies

Hmmm… trawling through DejaNews archives it appears Schwinn frames weigh a
ton which kind of rules them out. Sem don’t sound right. Which leads me on to a
20" Pashley MUni. My 26" Pashley has lasted so far. It:

Seems pretty tough. Takes a 2.6 Gaz tyre - so hopefully the 20" version will
take a 2.5 Monty The frame takes a Suzue hub The wheel should last until the
Monty comes together.

Anyone comments?

Cheers, Neil

“Neil dunlop” <neild@roachmill.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:969523822.16493.0.nnrp-14.c2de7fe2@news.demon.co.uk
> We can dream :wink:
>
> It’s shaping up at the moment to look like a Schwinn frame, Suzue hub and
> Monty rim and tyre. As and when the Poz hub gets some shorter cranks I’ll dish
> the dosh me thinks.
>
> Neil
>
> “Leo White” <leo.white@cableinet.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:Zs7y5.7556$g12.415047@news1.cableinet.net
> > Neil, What you want … what you really, really want is a 20" DM ATU with:
> > Monty Rim + Tyre Alu Seatpost from Roger Miyata saddle with Roger’s carbon
> > base (not cheap!) 135 or 140 mm splined cranks (shortened by DM - like his
> > shortened
150’s)
> > Frame either a shortened DMATU
> > - or a standard Ringmaster 20" with special 6203-3/4-2RS (OD 40-mm)
> > Imperial/Metric bearings
> >
> > (and in my dreams it would be all black!)
> >
> > BUT it wouldn’t be cheap (which rules me out for a while)
> >
> > AND you’d have to persuade Dave that it was an interesting and worthwile
> > project, as it would entail a fair amount of retooling/rejigging, &
buying
> > stuff in from suppliers that he has no account with etc.
> >
> > Leo White, Cheltenham
> >
> >
>

Re: Calling all uni techies

The choice is made - DM, Suzue and Monty win the day.

Big thanks to all who’ve helped me out on this. Much appreciated :slight_smile:

Neil

In article <969570296.17496.0.nnrp-07.c2de7fe2@news.demon.co.uk>, “Neil dunlop”
<neild@roachmill.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> Hmmm… trawling through DejaNews archives it appears Schwinn frames
weigh
> a ton which kind of rules them out. Sem don’t sound right. Which
leads me on
> to a 20" Pashley MUni. My 26" Pashley has lasted so far. It:
>
> Seems pretty tough. Takes a 2.6 Gaz tyre - so hopefully the 20" version will
> take a 2.5
Monty
> The frame takes a Suzue hub The wheel should last until the Monty comes
> together.
>
> Anyone comments?
>
> Cheers, Neil
>
> “Neil dunlop” <neild@roachmill.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:969523822.16493.0.nnrp-14.c2de7fe2@news.demon.co.uk
> > We can dream :wink:
> >
> > It’s shaping up at the moment to look like a Schwinn frame, Suzue
hub and
> > Monty rim and tyre. As and when the Poz hub gets some shorter
cranks I’ll
> > dish the dosh me thinks.
> >
> > Neil
> >
> > “Leo White” <leo.white@cableinet.co.uk> wrote in message
> > news:Zs7y5.7556$g12.415047@news1.cableinet.net
> > > Neil, What you want … what you really, really want is a 20" DM ATU
with:
> > > Monty Rim + Tyre Alu Seatpost from Roger Miyata saddle with Roger’s
> > > carbon base (not cheap!) 135 or 140 mm splined cranks (shortened by DM -
> > > like his
shortened
> 150’s)
> > > Frame either a shortened DMATU
> > > - or a standard Ringmaster 20" with special 6203-3/4-2RS (OD
40-mm)
> > > Imperial/Metric bearings
> > >
> > > (and in my dreams it would be all black!)
> > >
> > > BUT it wouldn’t be cheap (which rules me out for a while)
> > >
> > > AND you’d have to persuade Dave that it was an interesting and
worthwile
> > > project, as it would entail a fair amount of retooling/rejigging,
&
> buying
> > > stuff in from suppliers that he has no account with etc.
> > >
> > > Leo White, Cheltenham
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

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Re: Calling all uni techies

“Leo White” <leo.white@cableinet.co.uk> writes:

>
>CRANKS Cranks of that length are a pig to get hold of.
>1) Wait until someone starts up a cottage industry shortening/drilling and
> tapping cranks like Arthur Doerksen and probably Tom Miller in the US. (Hint
> Roger?).

Terry Osell at Osell’s (home of Paul Wyganowski Frames) in Minneapolis has done
some crank shortening. I think they’ll charge $20-25 for the work. I just talked
to Paul and he said they don’t have this down to an exact science yet. If you
talk to them they can give you the technical in’s and out’s.

Osell’s Custom Bicycles St Anthony Shopping Center 2908 Pentagon Drive NE St
Anthony MN 55418-3209 phone 612.788.5200

I now have Paul’s first Trials Frame prototype in my possession. I hope to begin
more rigorous testing early next week when my schedule opens up.

keep on trying, dustin klem unicycling productions www.dustin.kelm.com

(remove the BICYCLE from the above address to send me your brain waves)

isa 40:29-31

Re: Calling all uni techies

New trials frame, eh? Does that mean it’s lighter than the United frames?

Chris

> I now have Paul’s first Trials Frame prototype in my possession. I hope to
> begin more rigorous testing early next week when my schedule opens up.
>
> keep on trying, dustin klem unicycling productions www.dustin.kelm.com
>
> (remove the BICYCLE from the above address to send me your brain waves)
>
> isa 40:29-31