Building Inspectors: A necessary evil? Or anti-freedom?

[BillyTheMountain]

Why can’t I build my house any which way I want? It’s my land. It’s my house. It’s not like I’m selling pharmaceuticals…

@Gilby

Public scrutiny? When government fails, the program expands. When a private corporation fails, a competitor takes over. You actually have choice in who to have inspect, instead of the government monopolizing it. That’s public scrutiny… the market drives out the bad.

@Gilby

Now, if my local city required specific building inspectors and rules, that’d be acceptable, but if the State or federal government required it, it’d be a forceful hand instead of the invisible hand. There is less benefit to the individual to have any say in the matter. A smaller scale means the individual can easily choose a location close by but in a different city that better meets their needs.

Yes, individuals. As long as the people have the individual power, liberty exists. Unfourtunately, that’s not the case today.

@AscenXion

Then that someone gets a building inspector and makes sure that the building isn’t going to fall down. It shouldn’t be on the builder’s shoulders to do it, buto n the buyers. And if you’re commisioning something to be built for you, then you get an inspector to make sure they’re doing the jobs correctly. So, yeah, they have a place, but their place isn’t to hinder someone building something on their property for themselves.

As to the word “factual” when I meant “fictional” you indeed caught me with my pants down…did you like what you saw?

@wobbling bear

in that case my reaction was: “want to build something here -though it is prone to be flowed by the near-by river-? ok but you sign a paper where you state you are not going to sue the state and/or will request any state help in case of damage”
never saw somebody signing this one

@wobbling bear

that was true in my case and because I had an intelligent manager with whom we set up those documents (which were approved by the local politicians -who were also clever and honest by the way-)
I think it is not true all the time and everywhere: people differ.
but again we played a sure hand: nobody signed it! that was a really clever trick to stop the usual grumble about “those govenment bastards always on my back!” … 90% of the time the guys went out of my office with a smile in their face (and elected back their representatives!)
edit: don’t be misled other rules were mandatory! but usually no problem about those.

@Gilby

You lost me on this. I have no idea what kind of specific situation you are refering to here.

Services still allows the consumer (buyer) to have choices, just like goods do. The consumer, based on knowlege they attain, choose an entity to perform the service, they form a contract to meet the desired specifications, and the contractor performs the task and is liable if they do not adhere to the contract. The consumer can evaluate the performance, possibly by using a professional inspector. All by the use of voluntary actions. No force needed.

[BluntRM]

VCU Dorm construction fire

In March 2004, fire destroyed the top four floors of a five-story mixed-use building under construction in Richmond, Va. Driven by windy conditions, the fire spread to approximately 20 other buildings before city fire fighters and those from surrounding counties brought things under control. Total damage estimates are about $20 million.
…
According to a report that appeared in the local newspaper, the city building official confirmed that the building was being constructed in violation of the code and that the architect had been informed prior to the permit being issued that the top four stories had to be of Type 3A (IIIA) construction. Type 3A construction requires that the exterior walls be of noncombustible construction, while permitting combustible construction for the interior walls and roof.
…
A high-ranking official of VCU was quoted as saying <a few days before the fire> “This type of stick construction is pretty standard now for commercial apartments up to four stories. Absolutely it is safe.”

-FIERY LESSONS (sponsored by concrete advocates)

[Gilby]

@BillyTheMountain

It’s my land.

No it’s not. Barely anyone today has an allodial title for the land they think they own. The only reason they can dictate what you can do on it is because they own the land and you do not. You simply own privileges to the land.

[BillyTheMountain]

@BluntRM

the city building official confirmed that the building was being constructed in violation of the code (sponsored by concrete advocates)

Leave it to the Marxist to support MORE govt imposition on my freedom, AND to be in bed with the corrupt concrete advocates…

[BillyTheMountain]

@Gilby

No it’s not. Barely anyone today has an allodial title for the land they think they own. The only reason they can dictate what you can do on it is because they own the land and you do not. You simply own privileges to the land.

If they don’t own the land, how is ti they own the air rights above their building. In Manhattan, it’s becoming common to sell the air rights to someone who will build something extending over your building…

Also, Pete Seeger sang: This land is your land, this land is my land…

Is HE the one with the allodial title?

[JJuggle]

I’m alright with my allodial title as long as there’s no prima nocte.

[BluntRM]

@JJuggle

I’m alright with my allodial title as long as there’s no prima nocte.

Yeah, me too, unless somebody is going to buy me dinner first.

[j-n]

I don’t know how this works in US, but my view is that building your
house influences your vicinity in several ways: first is the case BiuntRM has cited; the second is… just some spatial designing… how would some places look
if a bunch of crazy nuts living there had built houses only according to their equally crazy whims?

-Jedrzej

[JJuggle]

@BluntRM

Yeah, me too, unless somebody is going to buy me dinner first.

Depends on the dinner I suppose. A movie wouldn’t hurt too.

[BillyTheMountain]

@j-n

if a bunch of crazy nuts living there
-Jedrzej

Now you want the govt to keep crazy nuts out of yoru neighborhood, NIMBY?

I really think that’s going too far.

BTM

[bugman]

@BillyTheMountain

Why can’t I build my house any which way I want? It’s my land. It’s my house. It’s not like I’m selling pharmaceuticals…

I’m thinking about becoming an undocumented pharmacist. Just doing the jobs americans don’t want to do.

If you take an oral test is it really a test?

[j-n]

@BillyTheMountain

Now you want the govt to keep crazy nuts out of yoru neighborhood, NIMBY?

I really think that’s going too far.

Don’t misconstrue my meaning, Billy. You’re good at it, aren’t you?
You know well enough that keeping out crazy nuts wasn’t what I said or meant.
What I meant, though, was that development strategies and planning for this or that
area have their goals: to make living or other areas functional and nice, not chaotic and ugly.

[bugman]

@BillyTheMountain

Now you want the govt to keep crazy nuts out of yoru neighborhood, NIMBY?

I really think that’s going too far.

BTM

Are there any sane nuts?