Hi all,
If anyone’s interested in a new mod unicycle with a splined hub and cranks
then you might possibly want to see what I’ve just seen @
http://www.unicycle.uk.com/shop/onzatrials.htm?id=164
My chin’s still on the floor 
Re: Bonza Onza
“Neil Dunlop” <n.dunlop@kildrummy.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Hi all,
>
> If anyone’s interested in a new mod unicycle with a splined hub and cranks
> then you might possibly want to see what I’ve just seen @
>
> http://www.unicycle.uk.com/shop/onzatrials.htm?id=164
>
> My chin’s still on the floor
Ooooh they’re actually in production now then! There were a couple being
tested at BUC and they looked right nice like and seemed to hold up well to
the scary things being done on them.
Looks like the first affordable splined-hub uni out there, I wonder if
they’ll sell the hub & crank assembly separately for muni people, this whole
unicycle is cheaper than a profile hub & cranks, so it could be a not too
expensive upgrade.
I’m wishing I had a bit more room in the unicycle cupboard now!
Joe
ONZA!!!
it looks very nice,now all we need is that new Norco to show itself so i can compare them.i will be buying one of them.
i think the Norco is going to have a larger diameter seat post too,which would be nice.
there does’nt appear to be a pinch bolt on the Onza cranks,i wonder if they will develop a squeak of their own like Profiles.
Is this little gem available in the US?
Re: Bonza Onza
Think it’s a bad sign they brag about the Viscount seat?
We need closeup pictures of the hub. How is it put together? Is it like the Profile where the axle is pressed into the hub body and secured with a keyway? What type of spline pattern do they use? What is the diameter of the axle?
More detailed pictures please.
Re: Bonza Onza
>Think it’s a bad sign they brag about the Viscount seat?
that viscount is better than most, take a look at the modified handle.
-Dylan
I would buy it just for the color.
Flat black just looks mean.
RE: Bonza Onza
> Think it’s a bad sign they brag about the Viscount seat?
Not really. Viscounts are cheaper, and this keeps the base price down. If
the seller has a Viscount seat on there and says the cycle uses all the best
components available, then their credibility is out the window.
This way, the initial price is lower, and then if people want to upgrade
(either at purchase or later on), they are always free to do so.
Looks like the Bonza Onza will beat the new Norco to market…? Lots of cool
stuff happening in the unicycle “market” lately. A few years ago there
barely even was one!
John Foss, the Uni-Cyclone
jfoss@unicycling.com
www.unicycling.com <http://www.unicycling.com>
“This unicycle is made all from lightweight materials. But it uses a lot of
them.” – Cliff Cordy, describing the very heavy new prototype unicycle he
brought on the Downieville Downhill
Re: Bonza Onza
You are not reading it right… “viscount style” saddle. It is not a
viscount which is why I took a picture of it to show the front of it with
the large grip area.
As for the Viscount being the cheap option, it is actually the most
expensive saddle available in Taiwan by a long way (this is not including
the new Kris Holme one which is actually more expensive but a lot better).
It is also considerably better than any other Taiwanese saddle available, it
does not flex and if you can hold the bumpers on it is incredibly durable.
Roger
The UK’s Unicycle Source
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Subject: Re: Bonza Onza
> Think it’s a bad sign they brag about the Viscount seat?
>
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Re: Bonza Onza
>> Think it’s a bad sign they brag about the Viscount seat?
>Not really. Viscounts are cheaper, and this keeps the base price down. If
>the seller has a Viscount seat on there and says the cycle uses all the best
>components available, then their credibility is out the window.
Having a Viscount seat and saying the unicycle has all the best
components doesn’t mean the seller has no credibility. It means the
seller doesn’t know that a Viscount seat is not the best seat
available. It affects their credibility, but doesn’t destroy it.
The Viscount seat may not be the best, but it is a reasonable good seat
that is better than most.
Sincerely,
Ken Fuchs <kfuchs@winternet.com>
Re: Bonza Onza
The hub is constructed in a similar way to a profile hub. They take a
proven bottom bracket from their top end BMX range and press fit it into
their front hub with a 5mm keyway running the whole length. I forgot to
count the number of splines but from what I remember it is slightly less
than the Profile and the shaft is about 20mm - again I need to check. As
for strength, I asked Mike who is the MD at Onza about failure rate on the
crank set, in the 4 years they have had this design they have had zero
failures! It is really nicely put together. They use a single spacer on
each side of the bearing because on the prototype some people succeeded in
cracking the thinner ones! It also makes for assembly easier. When they
are supplied as an individual item they will be supplied with 96mm between
the inside of the bearings which is what appears to becoming the standard.
Roger
The UK’s Unicycle Source
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Subject: Re: Bonza Onza
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> We need closeup pictures of the hub. How is it put together? Is it
> like the Profile where the axle is pressed into the hub body and secured
> with a keyway? What type of spline pattern do they use? What is the
> diameter of the axle?
>
> More detailed pictures please.
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Re: Bonza Onza
I would have said that the only commonly availably better saddle is the
Miyata saddle. Miyata is not fitted because it is not available in Taiwan
where these unicycles originally come from, it would also not necessarily be
appropriate without modification on a trails unicycle. I have Miyata’s
available and prefer the a Viscount on my Monty.
But please look at this saddle I say again it is NOT a Viscount. It is
relatively new and is an improvement.
Roger
The UK’s Unicycle Source
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From: “Ken Fuchs” <kfuchs@winternet.com>
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Sent: Friday, June 28, 2002 7:29 AM
Subject: Re: Bonza Onza
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> >> Think it’s a bad sign they brag about the Viscount seat?
>
> >Not really. Viscounts are cheaper, and this keeps the base price down. If
> >the seller has a Viscount seat on there and says the cycle uses all the[/color]
best
> >components available, then their credibility is out the window.
>
> Having a Viscount seat and saying the unicycle has all the best
> components doesn’t mean the seller has no credibility. It means the
> seller doesn’t know that a Viscount seat is not the best seat
> available. It affects their credibility, but doesn’t destroy it.
>
> The Viscount seat may not be the best, but it is a reasonable good seat
> that is better than most.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Ken Fuchs <kfuchs@winternet.com>
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Re: Re: Bonza Onza
Don’t say that! Later today I’m off to the post office to pick up my new Miyata seat to replace the old Viscount…
Phil, just me
Sure the saddle could be a lot better for trials but what do you want for the price? At 200 UKP it’s less than two thirds what I paid for just my Profile hub and cranks alone - never mind the KH frame, air seat, Thomson post etc. That extra third covers the cost of building a carbon air seat with all the trimmings. That’s gotta make sense. Plus, given that the new Miyata saddles front bumpers seem to be ripping there is no commercial alternative… until the Velo seat grace the market place that is 
The seat post looks like a standard sized post. This means that if you want a good amount of tilt in your seat position you’re looking at either fitting a heavy BMX rail type post or using a carbon seat base and drilling it accordingly. Not a huge issue really me thinks for a mod uni.
I think the most important thing to be looking at (as with any trials / mountain unicycle) is the hub and cranks. By all accounts it looks and sounds like an absolute bargain. Normally alarm bells ring in my head when something looks too good to be true but the Onza reputation and the fact that Will has been testing the prototypes stamps on any quality fears. In the photo @ http://www.unicycle.uk.com/images/shop/onzahub.jpg the cranks look further apart than is normal though. I’m not sure if this would be a good or bad thing: more stability but also more side rake. Before I get carried away here, perhaps you could give us the measurement for the distance between the outer edges of the cranks, Roger?
Time will tell but the signs look extremely promising!
Re: Bonza Onza
> You are not reading it right… “viscount style” saddle. It is not a
> viscount which is why I took a picture of it to show the front of it with
> the large grip area.
> http://www.unicycle.uk.com/images/shop/onzaseat.jpg
Well, that’s one interpretation. As an alternative, let me suggest that you
aren’t writing it right - what the heck does “viscount style” mean?! Are we
really supposed to be able to tell from that picture that it isn’t a
Viscount?!
>
> As for the Viscount being the cheap option, it is actually the most
> expensive saddle available in Taiwan by a long way (this is not including
> the new Kris Holm one which is actually more expensive but a lot better).
What relevance does what is available in TAIWAN have? For that matter, you
can’t get Miyata in Taiwan?! Japan’s a stone’s throw away…
> It is also considerably better than any other Taiwanese saddle available,
it
> does not flex and if you can hold the bumpers on it is incredibly durable.
That’s a big if - 6 replacement screws (significantly thicker than the
laughable originals), one tube of superglue, and two glue gun sticks so far.
I may have to resort to duct tape.
RE: Bonza Onza
> Don’t say that! Later today I’m off to the post office to
> pick up my new
> Miyata seat to replace the old Viscount…
Don’t worry, I’m sure you’ll like your new Miyata. Each has it strengths.
I’m curious to see the new “Viscount-like” seats…
JF
Scott Kurland wrote:
May I suggest 4 small nut/bolts, simple, sorted.
Scott Kurland wrote:
As far as I’m concerned “viscount style” means like a viscount as apposed to “Miyata style” which would mean like a Miyata. In china you can get “Miyata style” saddles and they are lighter than the originals (probably rip offs though).
The Viscount saddle, as I see it, has 2 problems:
- Bumpers, bad fixings and unkind to fingers.
- Foam, too firm, uncomfortable for long periods.
The first can be fixed with the suggestion above and a decent handle; the second would require an air conversion or something.
The Onza “viscount style” saddle looks to have fixed the first problem and only a butt test can see how the foam is.
And what of the Miyata, is this perfect? No of course not. Personally I find it too wide and I can’t use the handle as that’s too small. Oh and the base is flexible too. A lot of people adapt their Miyata’s to carbon base air jobs, which hardly resemble the original, and at some expense.
So neither of the two major saddles are ideal but hey what is and I for one welcome any new saddle. The Velo that Kris Holm is working with looks very interesting and this one from Onza does too and I think more choice is great.
And why so much emphasis on the saddle, that uni looks great and what a price. Will anyone have an Onza at the unimeet on Saturday? If you do I’d like to see it but keep it away from my son, as I know he’ll be asking me for one.
Gary
On a trials uni you are not sitting for long periods so comfy foam isn’t as much of a concern on a trials uni as on something like a Coker. But even for trials stuff I like to have a thick air seat to take some of the shock if (when) I land a drop wrong.
Re: Bonza Onza
unicus <unicus.6z0cm@timelimit.unicyclist.com> wrote:
> Will anyone have an Onza at the unimeet on Saturday?
Will and Adam have the prototype versions (and haven’t managed
to wreck them AFAIK) so if either of them are around I’d
expect they’d be happy for you to have a look/play.
Paul
Paul Selwood
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