Best seat?

Well, I’m springing for a Coker…and wonder what the Cokerhead community has to
offer in the way of recommending a seat that would go well with distance riding.
Is the Viscount that comes with it any good? Never sat on one…

Thanks all!

Pat Caldwell imaxguy@home.net

Re: Best seat?

oh, by all means, no, I can’t stand the Viscount.

Ok, I’m no expert, but I’ve had the chance to look at a few different seat
types. The Viscount has a relatively hard padding in it, and as far as I can
tell, there is no good way to remove the covering to replace it. Viscount tends
to resemble the style used by many of the lower end manufacturors, though, there
may well be differences. Viscount uses the the standard 4-bolt connection to the
seat post, used by Schwinn and most others.

>From a comfort standpoint, Semcycle makes a great one. It’s actually just a
steel (I believe) seat base, with an easily removable cover, and padding in
between. The beauty of that design is you can very easily replace the padding
with an innertube (I believe 12" works best). The only problem I’ve had with
mine comes from doing tricks which requite holding onto the seat (like jumping).
I actually bolted a Miyata handle to the front, and bumper on the back for
grip… but I am guessing that’s not going to be a big problem with a Coker.
Also, same mount style as Schwinn

If you can find an old style Schwinn (the new ones use Viscount) they have a
Semcycle style seat. The big problem I’ve had there is the seat seat itself is
rather sharp, and with enough jumping, and such, begins to tear through the
seat cover.

Savage is another type where you can replace the padding with an innertube. This
involves getting out some pliers to bend the metal prongs that hold the seat
cover in place, which is not as nice a situation as with the Semcycle. I’ve
ridden on an old Savage seat without the innertube, and found it quite
uncomfortable. I’ve never tried one with the innertube. Be aware, Savage uses a
mount similar to a bicycle seat – it is heald on to a simple cylindrical post
by friction – no bolts go through the post.

Many people swear by Miyata. I’ve tried one, and it wasn’t bad. It’s got an
inner padding that can be replaced with an innertube as well. Like the Savage,
it takes a small amount of effort, but can still be done with relative ease. The
only complaint I’ve had with Miyata is teh plastic base of the seat. I know
Semcycle, Savage and Viscount use steel, or aluminum (or some metal, anyway),
making the seat quite durable. The Miyata, however, is all plastic. In the long
term, this may be fine, and perhaps even more comfortable – I am am just very
used to the Semcycle style. One thing I will mention about Miyata seat post is
not compatible with the Schwinn. This means, if you get one for your Coker,
you’ll also need to buy a Miyata seat post. Miyata still uses a 4-bolt pattern.
However, the bolts are farther apart than on a Schwinn. Because the seat post is
steel or aluminum (at any rate, not plastic) this adds to the strength of the
seat itself more than a Schwinn mount pattern would. (I should point out, the
only Miyata seat I used was doctored up to fit on my Schwinn unicycle. I am
guessing I would criticize the plastic construction far less had I been riding
with an actual Miyata seat post.)

Ok, so, I’d personally say the Semcycle, with an innertube for air-padding would
be your best bet with the Coker. I would probably put Miyata next, followed by
Savage (definately with an innertube) then finally Viscount. If it comes with
Viscount, and you can’t get another seat substituted, I’d say try riding with
the Viscount, and see if you like it. I’ve been known to ride 5 or more miles on
my 24" Schwinn. If you’re not sitting on the cycle for that long, Viscount may
do you just fine.

Well, that’s my 2 cents worth. jeff lutkus

>From: “pat caldwell” <imaxguy@home.net> Reply-To: “pat caldwell”
><imaxguy@home.net> To: unicycling@winternet.com Subject: Best seat? Date: Mon,
>11 Sep 2000 21:00:20 GMT
>
>Well, I’m springing for a Coker…and wonder what the Cokerhead community has
>to offer in the way of recommending a seat that would go well with distance
>riding. Is the Viscount that comes with it any good? Never sat on one…
>
>Thanks all!
>
>Pat Caldwell imaxguy@home.net
>
>
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Re: Best seat?

Hi,

Roger Davie’s carbonfibre seat is the best seat base I’ve seen, although you
need to build up your own seat from it. If you also get the new seat rails
attachment from unicycle.com you will be able to fit it to any seatpost diameter
you wish, so it should fit into a Coker no problem.

Cheers,

Kris.

— Jeff Lutkus <lutkus@hotmail.com> wrote:
> oh, by all means, no, I can’t stand the Viscount.
>
> Ok, I’m no expert, but I’ve had the chance to look at a few different seat
> types. The Viscount has a relatively hard padding in it, and as far as I can
> tell, there is no good way to remove the covering to replace it. Viscount
> tends to resemble the style used by many of the lower end manufacturors,
> though, there may well be differences. Viscount uses the the standard 4-bolt
> connection to the seat post, used by Schwinn and most others.
>
> From a comfort standpoint, Semcycle makes a great one. It’s actually just a
> steel (I believe) seat base, with an easily removable cover, and padding in
> between. The beauty of that design is you can very easily replace the padding
> with an innertube (I believe 12" works best). The only problem I’ve had with
> mine comes from doing tricks which requite holding onto the seat (like
> jumping). I actually bolted a Miyata handle to the front, and bumper on the
> back for grip… but I am guessing that’s not going to be a big problem with a
> Coker. Also, same mount style as Schwinn
>
> If you can find an old style Schwinn (the new ones use Viscount) they have a
> Semcycle style seat. The big problem I’ve had there is the seat seat itself is
> rather sharp, and with enough jumping, and such, begins to tear through the
> seat cover.
>
> Savage is another type where you can replace the padding with an innertube.
> This involves getting out some pliers to bend the metal prongs that hold the
> seat cover in place, which is not as nice a situation as with the Semcycle.
> I’ve ridden on an old Savage seat without the innertube, and found it quite
> uncomfortable. I’ve never tried one with the innertube. Be aware, Savage uses
> a mount similar to a bicycle seat – it is heald on to a simple cylindrical
> post by friction – no bolts go through the post.
>
> Many people swear by Miyata. I’ve tried one, and it wasn’t bad. It’s got an
> inner padding that can be replaced with an innertube as well. Like the Savage,
> it takes a small amount of effort, but can still be done with relative ease.
> The only complaint I’ve had with Miyata is teh plastic base of the seat. I
> know Semcycle, Savage and Viscount use steel, or aluminum (or some metal,
> anyway), making the seat quite durable. The Miyata, however, is all plastic.
> In the long term, this may be fine, and perhaps even more comfortable – I am
> am just very used to the Semcycle style. One thing I will mention about Miyata
> seat post is not compatible with the Schwinn. This means, if you get one for
> your Coker, you’ll also need to buy a Miyata seat post. Miyata still uses a
> 4-bolt pattern. However, the bolts are farther apart than on a Schwinn.
> Because the seat post is steel or aluminum (at any rate, not plastic) this
> adds to the strength of the seat itself more than a Schwinn mount pattern
> would. (I should point out, the only Miyata seat I used was doctored up to fit
> on my Schwinn unicycle. I am guessing I would criticize the plastic
> construction far less had I been riding with an actual Miyata seat post.)
>
> Ok, so, I’d personally say the Semcycle, with an innertube for air-padding
> would be your best bet with the Coker. I would probably put Miyata next,
> followed by Savage (definately with an innertube) then finally Viscount. If it
> comes with Viscount, and you can’t get another seat substituted, I’d say try
> riding with the Viscount, and see if you like
> it. I’ve been known to ride 5 or more miles on my 24" Schwinn. If you’re not
> sitting on the cycle for that long, Viscount may do you just fine.
>
> Well, that’s my 2 cents worth. jeff lutkus
>
>
> >From: “pat caldwell” <imaxguy@home.net> Reply-To: “pat caldwell”
> ><imaxguy@home.net> To: unicycling@winternet.com Subject: Best seat? Date:
> >Mon, 11 Sep 2000 21:00:20 GMT
> >
> >Well, I’m springing for a Coker…and wonder what
> the Cokerhead community
> >has to offer in the way of recommending a seat that
> would go well with
> >distance riding. Is the Viscount that comes with
> it any good? Never sat
> >on one…
> >
> >Thanks all!
> >
> >Pat Caldwell imaxguy@home.net
> >
> >
> >
>
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Re: Best seat?

The Miyata air seat is the way to go on a Coker. Rick Bissell has posted
directions on converting a Miyata seat to an air seat at
http://www.ncweb.com/users/rickbissell/uni/airseat.htm

The Miyata seatpost is 22.2mm which is the same diameter as the Coker seatpost
so the change to a Miyata seat is easy.

An upgrade from a Miyata seat would be the carbon fiber seat base and Roach seat
cover available at UnicycleSource.com. The carbon fiber base is stiffer than the
plastic Miyata base and the Roach cover has more room for additional padding. I
haven’t tried the carbon fiber base on a Coker yet, but it’s on my list of
things to get.

While you’re upgrading the seat you should also get a better seatpost clamp. The
stock clamp on the Coker is very wimpy and won’t hold the seat in place very
well. Look for a BMX style double pinch-bolt clamp for a 7/8" post.

john_childs

>From: “pat caldwell”

>Well, I’m springing for a Coker…and wonder what the Cokerhead community has
>to offer in the way of recommending a seat that would go well with distance
>riding. Is the Viscount that comes with it any good? Never sat on one…
>
>Thanks all!
>
>Pat Caldwell imaxguy@home.net


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Re: Best seat?

If you’re going to go with a Viscount air seat here are three old messages
describing how to convert the Viscount to an air seat.

When making an air seat be careful not to overinflate the tube. It only takes a
little bit of air. Too much air and you will rip the seat cover. Use a hand pump
to inflate the tube and don’t use full strokes.

[message one]

From: “Leo White” <l.white@cableinet.co.uk> Subject: Re: what air seat…

You can make your Viscount into an airseat - here’s how …

  1. Undo the back screws and remove the crash guard.
  2. Carefully (with patience) peel back the cover which is glued over the foam
    back towards the “nose” of the saddle.
  3. Cut out a section of the foam with very sharp scissors, I cut out a largish
    diamond (nearly half the foam) around the weight bearing area of the saddle
    and leaving the front and outer edges more or less intact. This will leave
    some shape to the saddle.
  4. Drill a hole thru’ the base.
  5. Arrange a deflated inner tube inside the space where the foam once was (valve
    thru’ hole in base). I used a narrow 700c which I had to hand - others
    recommend smaller kids-bike tubes.
  6. Stretch the cover back and glue the outside using fabric adhesive, impact
    adhesive or something similar and screw back the crash guard.
  7. Pump up the tube and experiment with the pressure.

Miyata saddles are easier to adapt (removable foam) and lighter (but more flexy)

  • again leave some of the foam to shape the nose of the saddle.

Happy air-riding

Leo White

Brad Gwynn wrote in message <377251EB.F3B@shore.net>…
>what is the best air seat setup? tyre tube combo? miyata,semcycle ect.? and
>would it be a large inprovement over my viscount? and what about some of the
>new high tec. petrochemecal compounds? like sorbathane ect. some of these may
>work fairly well. any sugestions are very much appreciated esp.by my behind.

[message two]

Subject: Re: Viscount air conversions? Date: 05/26/2000 Author: John Hooten
<jhooten@softcom.net>

Peter,

I have done an air conversion on a Viscount seat. I will describe it as
best I can.

  1. Remove plastic bumpers

  2. Slowly peal back leatherette cover from metal base and foam pad. The cover
    is glued down with some sort of contact cement. The foam is probably
    injected into a mold with the cover lining the mold. You want to be careful
    here that the foam doesn’t rip off in big chunks that stick to the cover. I
    used an exacto knife to almost shave it off. I removed about 75% of the
    edges of the saddle, but left the section on the back of the saddle attached
    so that it would be earsier to line the cover up when I glued it back on.

  3. Cut away foam to make room for the inner tube. I decided to use a 1.25" x 8"
    wheel-chair (small fromt wheel) tube. This could be pushed together in 2
    sections with folds only on the ends and fit in the saddle evenly with a
    slight gap between the two sides. George Peck recommends this slight gap
    down the center and I strongly concur. To create the slot in the foam I used
    a Dremel power hand tool (like a power drill) with a small cutting disk bit.
    When the edges were cut leaving foam in place all around so that the
    innertube would be surrounded by foam and the basic saddle shape would be
    maintained, I pealed the section from the middle. It looked like a hot dog,
    of sausage.

  4. Drill hole for tube stem. (I put it in the center in the back)

  5. Make sure there metal saddle plate where foam has been removed is covered
    with tape so nothiing will puncture the tube.

  6. Insert tube into saddle.

  7. Stretch cover back on and glue in place with contact cenent.

  8. Return saddle to unicycle.

  9. Inflate tube (not too much).

  10. Ride

This procedue was more complicated than converting a Miyata seat, but not too
difficult. I find this saddle to be very comfortanle. I have it on my Coker. I
also drilled holes in the saddles metal plate and bolted on a Miyata handle to
replace the plastic bumper. An excellent impeovement.

I understand Unicycle Source may be carrying Miyata seat parts. So you may
soon be able to get just a Miyata seat handle without having to buy the
entire saddle.

Good Luck,

John Hooten

“Kittle, Peter” wrote:

>Hi all–
>
>I was just wondering if anyone had done an airseat conversion on a Viscount
>seat. My 9 year old son, Drew, has one on his uni, and has complained recently
>about groin pain. Since there are no easy ways to remove the cover, I was
>especially hoping someone might have advice about ways to reattach the cover
>after stripping it and putting in an inner tube. Thanks for any suggestions.
>
>Peter
>-----------------------------------------------------------
>Peter Kittle Department of English CSU, Chico Chico CA 95929-0830 ph:
>530/898-5305 fax: 530/898-4450 email: pkittle@csuchico.edu www:
>http://www.csuchico.edu/~pkittle
>---------------------------------------------------------

[message three]

Subject: Re: Viscount air conversions? Date: 05/26/2000 Author: John Childs
<john_childs@hotmail.com>

Yes it is possible to improve the padding in a Viscount seat. I stuffed a gel
pad in the Viscount seat that came with my Coker (I’m now using a Miyata air
seat on the Coker). I went with a gel pad in the Viscount because a gel pad will
never go flat. Reparing a flat tube in a Viscount would not be fun because you
would have to peel the whole thing apart again.

What you will need: Screwdriver Sharp cuting tools like a utility knife, and
other knives A big fat gel pad for an exercise bike or a tube if you are going
to do an air seat Thick tacky glue similar to rubber cement (I think I used a
thick silicon based glue)

How to do it:
18. Remove the bumpers from the seat
19. Carefully remove the cover from the seat Start at the back and work
your way forward Important: Leave the cover still attached to the nose
of the seat
20. Cut out the center area of the foam Leave the front, rear, and edges of the
foam so you can still keep the general shape of the viscount seat and so
you will have a place to glue the cover back to
21. If you are doing an air seat drill a hole for the tube valve
22. Stuff the center of the seat with your favorite material
23. Glue the cover back on
24. Attach the bumpers

The Viscount with a gel pad is fairly comfortable (better than the original
padding for long rides). But a Miyata air seat is better yet.

john_childs

“Kittle, Peter” wrote:

>Hi all–
>
>I was just wondering if anyone had done an airseat conversion on a Viscount
>seat. My 9 year old son, Drew, has one on his uni, and has complained recently
>about groin pain. Since there are no easy ways to remove the cover, I was
>especially hoping someone might have advice about ways to reattach the cover
>after stripping it and putting in an inner tube. Thanks for any suggestions.
>
>Peter
>-----------------------------------------------------------
>Peter Kittle Department of English CSU, Chico Chico CA 95929-0830 ph:
>530/898-5305 fax: 530/898-4450 email: pkittle@csuchico.edu www:
>http://www.csuchico.edu/~pkittle
>---------------------------------------------------------


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Re: Best seat?

“pat caldwell” <imaxguy@home.net> wrote in message
news:EJbv5.28876$Z4.985863@news1.rdc1.tn.home.com
> Well, I’m springing for a Coker…and wonder what the Cokerhead community has
> to offer in the way of recommending a seat that would go well with distance
> riding. Is the Viscount that comes with it any good? Never sat
on
> one…

I am not a Cokerhead, but I think if you negotiate with John Drummond you can
upgrade the stock seat to a Miyata or Semcycle at the time of purchase. Be sure
to ask him, if you have questions about the stock unit. I only have a 20" Miyata
Deluxe with the blue and white seat, but the seat is fabulous with a 12 1/2"x
2.125" tube in it.

A general hint: if you want to customize a uni from Unicycle Source, by all
means do it at the time of purchase if possible. That way you get credit for any
stock parts you don’t want to keep anyway, and they can build it for you.

Blessings!

Arthur

Re: Best seat?

Jeff,

I think you are being a little hard on the Viscount. It is one of the few seats
that has a decent base on it. It rarely bends or buckles (this being a problem
with the Sem/Savage/bogglefinger seat). The shape of the seat is not ideal for
everyone, but what is. The harness of the foam of the Viscount seams to vary,
this has always puzzled me. Some are very soft and some are like a plank of
wood, you seam to have samples of the latter. The Viscount is also one of the
few Taiwanese seats that is actually long enough for adults to ride on
effectively.

It is very possible to make the Viscount into an air seat and it is not that
difficult. Just a little more drastic. You need to remove all the cover and foam
(or part of as is your preference), then replace it with a tube to your liking
then refit the cover using a contact adhevesive. Frank Bonsch who is one of the
best long distance riders in the world and one of the few riders during the
Minnesota ride who had NO seat problems, using this method and swears by it.

One of the things that lets the Viscount down is the poxy screws that they fit
in their bumpers. I would recommend changing these to a larger size on purchase
to save having to do it later when they come off during a ride.

I do not think that the Viscount is the best seat out there, but it is one of
the best “off the shelf” Taiwanese seats.

Roger


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----- Original Message ----- From: “Jeff Lutkus” <lutkus@hotmail.com> To:
<imaxguy@home.net>; <unicycling@winternet.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2000
12:04 AM Subject: Re: Best seat?

> oh, by all means, no, I can’t stand the Viscount.
>
> Ok, I’m no expert, but I’ve had the chance to look at a few different seat
> types. The Viscount has a relatively hard padding in it, and as far as I can
> tell, there is no good way to remove the covering to replace it. Viscount
> tends to resemble the style used by many of the lower end manufacturors,
> though, there may well be differences. Viscount uses the
the
> standard 4-bolt connection to the seat post, used by Schwinn and most others.
>
> >From a comfort standpoint, Semcycle makes a great one. It’s actually
just a
> steel (I believe) seat base, with an easily removable cover, and padding
in
> between. The beauty of that design is you can very easily replace the padding
> with an innertube (I believe 12" works best). The only problem
I’ve
> had with mine comes from doing tricks which requite holding onto the seat
> (like jumping). I actually bolted a Miyata handle to the front, and
bumper
> on the back for grip… but I am guessing that’s not going to be a big problem
> with a Coker. Also, same mount style as Schwinn
>
> If you can find an old style Schwinn (the new ones use Viscount) they have
a
> Semcycle style seat. The big problem I’ve had there is the seat seat
itself
> is rather sharp, and with enough jumping, and such, begins to tear through the
> seat cover.
>
> Savage is another type where you can replace the padding with an
innertube.
> This involves getting out some pliers to bend the metal prongs that hold
the
> seat cover in place, which is not as nice a situation as with the
Semcycle.
> I’ve ridden on an old Savage seat without the innertube, and found it quite
> uncomfortable. I’ve never tried one with the innertube. Be aware, Savage uses
> a mount similar to a bicycle seat – it is heald on to a
simple
> cylindrical post by friction – no bolts go through the post.
>
> Many people swear by Miyata. I’ve tried one, and it wasn’t bad. It’s got an
> inner padding that can be replaced with an innertube as well. Like the Savage,
> it takes a small amount of effort, but can still be done with relative ease.
> The only complaint I’ve had with Miyata is teh plastic
base
> of the seat. I know Semcycle, Savage and Viscount use steel, or aluminum (or
> some metal, anyway), making the seat quite durable. The Miyata, however, is
> all plastic. In the long term, this may be fine, and perhaps even more
> comfortable – I am am just very used to the Semcycle style.
One
> thing I will mention about Miyata seat post is not compatible with the
> Schwinn. This means, if you get one for your Coker, you’ll also need to
buy
> a Miyata seat post. Miyata still uses a 4-bolt pattern. However, the
bolts
> are farther apart than on a Schwinn. Because the seat post is steel or
> aluminum (at any rate, not plastic) this adds to the strength of the seat
> itself more than a Schwinn mount pattern would. (I should point out, the only
> Miyata seat I used was doctored up to fit on my Schwinn unicycle. I
am
> guessing I would criticize the plastic construction far less had I been riding
> with an actual Miyata seat post.)
>
> Ok, so, I’d personally say the Semcycle, with an innertube for air-padding
> would be your best bet with the Coker. I would probably put Miyata next,
> followed by Savage (definately with an innertube) then finally Viscount.
If
> it comes with Viscount, and you can’t get another seat substituted, I’d
say
> try riding with the Viscount, and see if you like it. I’ve been known to ride
> 5 or more miles on my 24" Schwinn. If you’re not sitting on the
cycle
> for that long, Viscount may do you just fine.
>
> Well, that’s my 2 cents worth. jeff lutkus
>
>
> >From: “pat caldwell” <imaxguy@home.net> Reply-To: “pat caldwell”
> ><imaxguy@home.net> To: unicycling@winternet.com Subject: Best seat? Date:
> >Mon, 11 Sep 2000 21:00:20 GMT
> >
> >Well, I’m springing for a Coker…and wonder what the Cokerhead community has
> >to offer in the way of recommending a seat that would go well with distance
> >riding. Is the Viscount that comes with it any good? Never sat on one…
> >
> >Thanks all!
> >
> >Pat Caldwell imaxguy@home.net
> >
> >
> >
>
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Re: Best seat?

Thanks to all who wrote/posted with seat info…Since I am picking the Coker up
from the factory in Chattanooga, I don’t have to opportunity to have it
“customized”.

I’m going to try converting the Viscount into an airseat…and it that doesn’t
work, I’ll do the Miyata. All three of my unis have 22.2 mm diameter seat posts,
so I’ll be able to swap them around. Thanks John C, for the link to converting
Miyata into an airseat. I’ll keep that URL handy just “in case”! “pat caldwell”
<imaxguy@home.net> wrote in message
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> Well, I’m springing for a Coker…and wonder what the Cokerhead community has
> to offer in the way of recommending a seat that would go well with distance
> riding. Is the Viscount that comes with it any good? Never sat
on
> one…
>
> Thanks all!
>
> Pat Caldwell imaxguy@home.net
>
>

Re: Best seat?

I’m no real distance expert or anything, but the first thing I did to my Coker
was exchange the Viscount seat for a Miyata. The second thing was a cyclometer.
The third thing was adding a 12" and slab of gel to the seat. It’s pretty good
now, but it takes more than just a comfortable seat to ride long distances. Even
for just riding around town, the handle on the Miyata seat is really nice.

                               Good luck,
                                 Nathan

“pat caldwell” <imaxguy@home.net> wrote in message
news:EJbv5.28876$Z4.985863@news1.rdc1.tn.home.com
> Well, I’m springing for a Coker…and wonder what the Cokerhead community has
> to offer in the way of recommending a seat that would go well with distance
> riding. Is the Viscount that comes with it any good? Never sat
on
> one…
>
> Thanks all!
>
> Pat Caldwell imaxguy@home.net