Best Place to Live for Skiing, Riding, Working, and Relaxing

We are about a year away from starting our move, after nearly twenty years in Southeast I am ready to leave the humidity behind!

So, here are our criteria:

Employment: We are both nurse practitioners, so we need a sufficient base population to support our jobs. A greater MSRA of 100,000 - 150,000 is minimum, a bigger town or small city within a MSRA would work fine.

Three Season Recreation: I ride year round now, so this is not something I want to give up, though I also want to be near skiiing, so I expect to have some compromise. Ideally I’d be within reasonable driving distance to ride during the winter with easy access to riding the other three seasons.

Winter Recreation: I want good access to backcountry skiing, lift access is fine if it happens to be around, but I prefer to hike for my turns. A longer season is great, but that requires big mountains and a Northern latitude, so I’d like to balance that with my wife’s “weather related needs”.

The Weather, V.1: Mrs Nurse Ben is a southern belle, so cold and dark is not going to work out for my lovely bride, so there needs to be sun if it’s gonna be cold or it needs to be warm if it’s gonna be wet. Where we live now, it rains > 60" a year, but the temps are moderate, so even though we stay pretty wet, the winters are mild; not so for the summers where it gets hot and humid enough to bake my brain!

The Weather V.2: I want less rain, so maybe half as much rain or less yet, though I don’t really want to live in a desert; I like trees. I do not like humidity, it makes it hard to breathe and allergies are awful, so rain >10 and <30 inches a year is good for me.

The Community: We are quite liberal, outdoor/tree hugger/social activist oriented, so we’d prefer a more liberal location, though an outpost of liberalism in a conservative state is workable. An active outdoor community with bikers, runners, and skiiers who like to work for their fun. Coffee shops, quaint stores, good food, healthfood grocers, etc…

Here’s where we’re looking, feel free to comment, pros cons from “real experience”, no heresay, we’re especially interested in weather related issues like year round riding, how cold or hot does it feel, etc… and extra credit if you can compare it to other places you know.

For comparison sake I have lived in the Bay Area (too many people), Truckee (not bad, gets kinda snow bound), Reno (it has seen better days), Eugene (really rainy and poor bike trail access), Blacksurg (nice small town, too far East), and Knoxville (get me outta this place!).

Short List:
Ashland, OR
Bend, OR
Durango, CO
Corvallis, OR
Flagstaff, AZ
Eureka, CA

Long List:
Eugene
Boulder
Ft Collins
San Luis Obispo

Long Long List:
Portland
Salt Lake

Colorado for sure :wink:

After moving here from Alabama it took me a few years to realize how many options you have for outdoor activities. You pretty much have EVERYTHING!

This thread belongs in Just Conversation.

You need to add Boulder CO to your short list. 360 sunny days a year, generally mild winters, loaded with tree huggers, close enough to Denver for your population mass, every outdoor recreation you can dream of and driveable to Utah and NM for a little variety.

We go there as often as possible and as soon as I win the Lotto we are packing up and moving.

Oregon or Colorado always get my vote.
The hubs is from Wyoming, near the Big Horns. Good lord, it is beautiful out there! That state has more money than they know what to do with, no state taxes, and pay rates are really high out there. Great schools with fabulous facilities. I tried to convince him to move back out there when we were house hunting about 4 years back but he said his joints couldn’t take the cold weather and short days up there anymore. He has old man knees from playing basketball for years.

I wouldn’t ever move to AZ or CA, but that is just me. Neither of those 2 states interest me in any way, shape, or form.

I lived in Arcata, CA for about five years. It is 15 miles from Eureka. I loved it. It would definitely be a good match politically. The drawback is that it is foggy, cloudy and rainy. The first morning I woke up after moving away I realized I had forgotten what it was like to wake up to sun shining. Of course if you can stand a little snow … Missoula, MT is pretty darn nice.

Ben,
I’ll confine my remarks to the places I know.

Ashland and Bend are politically, economically, culturally, recreationally and gastronomically very similar. Of course Bend is bigger, but it is on the edge of a desert. If you want to grow vegetables in a garden you’ll need a green house. It is much colder and dryer than Ashland. The skiing is better and much more extensive there, though. Both have many miles of trails for riding and running. Ashland has become an ultramarathoner’s haven.
Ashland is farther south than Bend and at a lower elevation. Therefore it has longer and warmer winter days. Bend’s trails are much more likely to be covered in snow in the winter. Both places get plenty of sun in the winter.
Ashland has 20,000 liberals surrounded by 100,000 conservatives, although they don’t tend to be over-the-top raging whackos. Bend is bigger and you have to travel farther to rub elbows with people who drink the Fox “News” purple koolaid.

Bend is about 3 & 1/2 hours from Portland. Ashland is about 4 & 1/4 hours from Portland and 6 hours from the Bay Area. The best lift skiing in Ashland is, well, in Bend.

For me and my family, Ashland is a better fit. Results may vary, though.

Corvallis is flat, although near the coast range, and is a LONG way from any skiing. As you know from Eugene, if you have seasonal affective disorder you’ll want to slit your wrists by January.

Eureka: Say goodbye to skiing. Groom the moss growing between your toes. Make friends with your local pot farmer. Welcome the life of isolation. It’s not called the Lost Coast for nothing.

Oh, yeah, Ashland comes equipped with at least one person who is really into unicycling and back country telemarking. :slight_smile:

Geoff

My vote goes for Fortcollins are around the outskirts of Denver preferably the west side of denver. One of the cooler places I have ridden around is Golden. Tons of trails and a real laid back feeling up there but still close to the big city.

Telling yeah colorado is where its at for you :wink:

No, you won’t like Colorado at all Ben, nothing here for you.

Envious?

Not that I am irritated by this talk. Coffee shops, quaint stores, healthfood, three season recreational facilities, liberal community – how nice it sounds… Perhaps slightly envious? Beggars can’t be choosers. But I can stand the place where I live now, though it hardly fits these criteria. How about living in places like this? I agree with Maestro, this thread belongs in Just Сonversation.

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Here’s another vote for somewhere in Colorado. Durango is really nice, as is Ft. Collins. Personally, I don’t think I would live in Boulder. I like hanging out in Boulder, but I always feel like Boulder is crowded and I wouldn’t want to live around that. There are lots of nice areas to live west of Denver that would be worth looking into though (Golden, Arvada, Louisville).

Also, I have lived in Salt Lake and I really liked it there. The “sugarhouse” area sounds like about what you are looking for. Salt Lake will probably put you closer to skiing than in the Denver metro area, and so long as you don’t move to the mountains then Colorado will probably have more nice year round weather than SLC.

Bend

It took me awhile to decide why Bend is so popular. I decided its because its ‘FLAT’ yet preceived as in the ‘mountains’.

@Fatbird: life is too short to drink bad wine, time to move.

Boulder is nice, I’ve been there a bunch, it’s too urban, to popular, to expensive, to Boulder.

Colorado Springs is nice, got some inlaws that live there, but whoa they got some kinda freaky conservative stuff down there, my wie wouldn’t even consider it.

Fort Collins is a possibility, kinda far for some stuff, a little more on teh dark and cold side at times, nice college, good size, not too close to Denver. I’ll move it to the short list :smiley:

My daughter lives in Salt Lake, been there a bunch lately, nice city, but it’s way bigger than we want, and I have zero interest in commuting, so it stays on the long list with Portland.

The wife said no to Albuquerque, lots of reason I can’t mention without causing a fuss, suffice to say that I like it.

Flagstaff, mmmm, if only it was a tab bigger, i’m just not sure we can get jobs there, same with Salida, and for sure we’re not going to commute to the big city.

Anyone been to Carson City lately? How did it fare in the downturn compared to Reno?

For those who have been out to North Carolina, what we want is Asheville with less rain and bigger mountains.

Back to Oregon…

Joe/Geoff, can you ride year round in Ashland and Bend? I do ride a fat tire in the snow, so if I have to ride snow for a week or two that’s no problem, but if I have to ride snow for a month or two, that’s a problem.

If the snow coverage is that extensive in either place, how far do you have to go to ride snow free ground?

Bend

Riding year around is more about who you are than what the weather is like. I ride year around but others think I must be crazy. I go looking for snow.

I’m in Bellingham, WA - a long way from Bend. You never short or long listed Bellingham. Here you can water ski and snow ski on the same day thirty miles miles apart. It almost never rains here but drizzles all but one day every few years or so.

Bend would be a great spot. I think you would like it. I’ve never wintered in Bend but that might happen yet. Make a trip in January or watch the weather this winter.

Awhh colorado springs man!!! Thats not but 40miles from my house, it would be dope to have someone to ride trails with that is close :stuck_out_tongue:

slc!

Ben,

I still think you should UPD in Utah! SLC, in particular.

(And if you start riding a 24" on trails, you just might be able to keep up with me on my 29er!)

UPD in Utah

I lived in the front range (CO) and now Portland, OR

I think Oregon is probably a better choice. Bend is not a bad place, I would also consider hood river, close to Mt. hood, close to awesome trails and close to Portland and the airport.

If I was choosing between Ashland and Bend, I would choose Bend, yes, it’s more of a high desert, but not too far from Portland, close to Mt Bachelor, and tons of trails to ride.

Why did you leave out Sacramento? The city of trees, we are second (or third) only to Paris for the amount of trees. Humidity runs quite low, but not desert-low. Spring and Fall are fabulous. Summer is hot, but cools down every night. And in winter, we keep the snow in our pockets, up at Lake Tahoe, one hour away. :slight_smile:

And there are people to ride with around here!

I was just talking to someone that lives there, but didn’t get decent information for your questions. Carson is pretty small, but of course closer to the skiing (and glidering) than Sacramento. Reno may have changed since you were last there; it has grown (before the downturn) and its character may be different. But it’s definitely taken a hit in the last few years.

I’ve heard great things about Bend, from Carol Bricker who used to live there. Someday I hope to get up there for a MUni Weekend.

Finland capital area is sure your best choice :wink: a lot of national parks with hundreds of miles of trails to ride, nice summer, not too hot but neither cold, beatiful autumn and spring, longish (5-6months) winter with a lot of snow, no huge mountains but several ski resorts relatively close, mostly very liberal people and most speak english decently and there is work for sure for you since we already started to import nurse practitioners from spain because there are not enough qualified finns to fill all the jobs! Also about a dozen of unicyclists live within 15 kilometres. And not to mention free healthcare and education, although taxes are quite high and living in the very centre of Helsinki is pretty expensive.

Perhaps this is a bit far away but matches your criteria :smiley:

I’d advise against moving to Utah.