Atheist the moral minority, really? How can it be?!

[wobbling_bear]

@Mikefule

The only thing that might give atheists a slight “edge” in the moral stakes is that it takes a special effort of thought and careful consideration to reach the atheist point of view.

and a special emotional effort: when your loved one dies you do not have belief in an afterlife. you do not have the help provided by religion.
you are on your own to withstand grief.
As an atheist my self I never try to proselitize: I do not want other people to bear that kind of burden.

[qhxakg]

@feel the light

I can’t abuse children, or kill people for money, because I would feel like crap, and believe I had done a shameful thing, that never could be put right.

But all sins are forgivable in religion. There is no special distinction between child rape, and having been born a sinner of a child. The unsaved virtuous will burn, while the serial murder rapist rot head, who asks forgiveness shall go to heaven.

It’s hard to believe that, and yet we must explain why child molesters were sheltered by Bishops (if they were repentant priests ), and sent through a series of churches, raping children in every one, with the full knowledge of the Pope that this was policy. Jesus forgave their sin each time, making it OK to send them secretly to the next church. A tradition many centuries old.

Born of war, these religions were. A way to make it intellectually exceptable to destroy the innocents in other lands.

In my country (USA), the Christians are at the vanguard of those who elected George the war monger. They are the first to cry "nuke the Iranians " !

I’m not an atheist. I don’t know there is no god. Just that all the people that really believe the christian, jewish, hindu, muslim, mormon, “the all mighty wrote our book”, crap, are stupid IMHO. Just plain can’t think away from the guiding crowd, plain stupid.

I’m not worried about offending anyone, the objects of my mental scorn won’t read this far into a thread that might hurt their head trying to understand.

It is a fact that the lower you go on the scale of mental power, low education, low income, smoking, wife beating, time spent in prison, and low IQ, the greater the percentage that believe in a holy book.

Non belief peaks with noble prize prize winners, followed by academy of science members, and the percent of “holy bookers” increases as education level declines. The "bible belt " states have lower income, higher teen pregnancy, fewer graduates, and vote for Bush because he doesn’t confuse them with big words. Karl Rove (key Bush adviser) figures out how to get the monkey elected. Rove is an atheist. Religious hacks get all the unimportant jobs, like FEMA head.

The only state that breaks the trend is Utah. Perhaps everything in the book of mormon is divine truth. Utah (a mormon majority state), bucks the trend by doing rather well by objective standards.

My theory is that the smart men married a dozen of the best woman each, and the dumb guys got lost and died walking across the desert to Utah. Or perhaps drinking really does wreck families and destroy brain cells.

Despite the odd state, or creative christian, the general trend is clear. Even the religious agree with me on this one. Ask any holy book christian why a muslim believes in the Koran, they will tell you (on the side), it’s because those people are stupid. And of course, the hindu and muslim has an identical opinion that their favorite sacred book makes perfect sense, and that christians are blighted retards. So the vast majority of holy bookers actually agree with me.

All holy book people have the same philosophy. That only one book can be trusted, and you need someone to explain it to you every week. It is a very stupid idea, that at it’s core states that there is nothing to be gained by reading two books and comparing them yourself. That is why the stupid almost always believe that they were raised with the right book. It is to hard for them to think about it, so they don’t. Or can’t.

To bad I say. This old world has plenty of troubles that we won’t solve arguing theologies answers about how to move on to the next one.

very well put unfortunately my state had a majority votes for bush even though that is a whomping total of 5.
Blame the supreme court.

[BillyTheMountain]

Just as Christians each create their own GOD to beleive in, and every Christian believes in something and practices something different, so it is with every Atheist.

[uni57]

@BillyTheMountain

Just as Christians each create their own GOD to beleive in, and every Christian believes in something and practices something different, so it is with every Atheist.

Beautifully said, Billy. Just short of poetic. Round and round we go, LOL…

[mscalisi]

Just how much pot would she have to smoke?

@James_Potter

That reminds me of the verse in the bible where it says if a woman is not a virgin on her wedding night, she has to be stoned to death.

[mscalisi]

It’s true. I believe in Billy.

@BillyTheMountain

Just as Christians each create their own GOD to beleive in, and every Christian believes in something and practices something different, so it is with every Atheist.

[James_Potter]

@mscalisi

Just how much pot would she have to smoke?

I don’t know, I’ve never heard of anyone being so high, they die…but it’s in the Bible, so apparently God thinks it’s possible.

[BillyTheMountain]

@mscalisi

I believe in Billy.

And how could we not believe in you.

[TrialsUni]

@BillyTheMountain

Just as Christians each create their own GOD to beleive in, and every Christian believes in something and practices something different, so it is with every Atheist.

create, as in make up, fabricate, make something that’s not already there? in any of those cases i disagree.

one can come to atheistic conclusions in very primitive ways. hell, every child is born an atheist, until their parents convert them to some faith or other.

all my atheism is, is that i’ve examined the religion i was raised in and examined other religions and their histories and drew the conclusion that i should not accept any of these belief systems as my own and into my core. they can’t answer my questions up to a certain point, so why should i put as much weight on them as they would have me put on myself in order to live by them. to me, in all probability these religions are nothing more than the fabrication of men who have a tradition of oral story-telling and a love for drama (socialization if you will), and who dream, and who imagine, and formed a primitive way of explaining the nature of the universe, and their fears of the dark and what lurks there under the cover of night (fears of the unknown). all in all, to me the probably of a anthropomorphic deity that governs over and created us human beings is slim to none. if there is, then we have to explain what created that creator, and so forth. either way, i don’t care.

and because of this i do not worship anything. not science, not darwin, or what have you. i do not give these things sacrificies or other offerings, nor perform rituals like dances in celebration of these things in specified buildings or areas designated for the celebratory rituals of these things with certain designated garb adorned, foods eaten in order that i may gain life forever, or whatever.

time to unicycle.

[cathwood]

@TrialsUni

create, as in make up, fabricate, make something that’s not already there? in any of those cases i disagree.

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I would be more inclined to say ‘socially construct’ rather than ‘create’ but that’s just me.

[TrialsUni]

@cathwood

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I would be more inclined to say ‘socially construct’ rather than ‘create’ but that’s just me.

yeah, i could too. that’s far more graspable. i could approach the idea from not just a philosophical, but a linguistics perspective as well.

[johnfoss]

@feel the light

All holy book people have the same philosophy. That only one book can be trusted, and you need someone to explain it to you every week.

I would almost sig that one, but I’d feel it out of place on the unicycling side. Too many people to offend. But great posts by you and Mikefule!

@TrialsUni

to me, in all probability these religions are nothing more than the fabrication of men who have a tradition of oral story-telling and a love for drama (socialization if you will), and who dream, and who imagine, and formed a primitive way of explaining the nature of the universe, and their fears of the dark and what lurks there under the cover of night (fears of the unknown).

I think that sums it up pretty well. Primitive. And if your “truths” are from a very long time ago, they tend to go out of date for various reasons, which causes tensions and threatens to undermine their authenticity.

@TrialsUni

and because of this i do not worship anything. not science, not darwin, or what have you.

Or the Shift key. But well said also. Anyone who believes in “Science” as others do in various religions is giving it as little (or as much) thought as the religious ones. One possible difference; science neither cares, nor requires you to believe in it.

[BillyTheMountain]

@TrialsUni

create, as in make up, fabricate, make something that’s not already there? in any of those cases i disagree.

one can come to atheistic conclusions in very primitive ways. hell, every child is born an atheist, until their parents convert them to some faith or other.

all my atheism is, is that i’ve examined the religion i was raised in and examined other religions and their histories and drew the conclusion that i should not accept any of these belief systems as my own and into my core.

your theory of evolution was created, in your words “as in make up, fabricate, make something that’s not already there?”

science cannot answer many questions either, and cannot even ask many questions. they are prohibited by scientific authority.

@johnfoss

Anyone who believes in “Science” as others do in various religions is giving it as little (or as much) thought as the religious ones. One possible difference; science neither cares, nor requires you to believe in it.

John,

HAH! Neither science nor religion CARE. “Things” like my unicycle are incapable of caring.

Those faithful to the Church of Science, however, do care, and get upset when you threaten their fragile beliefs.

and like us, all we forget the interspiritualists, who rely on MANY books, who are naturalized citizens of more than one sacred communities.

Bless you,

Billy

[Divebomber]

I’ve read that over 80% of people claim to believe in God in the US. A lot of people claim to be Christians and really arent. What’s shameful is that sometimes it makes those of us who are Christians look bad…

[BillyTheMountain]

@Divebomber

I’ve read that over 80% of people claim to believe in God in the US. A lot of people claim to be Christians and really arent. What’s shameful is that sometimes it makes those of us who are Christians look bad…

It’s sad that the most vocal “Christians” are actually idol worshippers.

They have manufactured a Jesus who hates gays and lesbians, so different from the real Jesus who preached love of everyone. They support war, so different from the real Jesus who insisted on peace, even when it was ineffective.

We should pray for these idol worshippers who call themselves “Christians,” that they may one day walk the path of Jesus, love homosexuals, and consistently say not to war.

[maestro8]

@BillyTheMountain

We should pray for these idol worshippers who call themselves “Christians,” that they may one day walk the path of Jesus, love homosexuals, and consistently say not to war.

I’m praying that these same worshippers become reincarnated as homosexual atheist hippies. The world needs more of 'em.

[UniGeezer]

As an athiest, I pray to god we can all get along!

[uni57]

@johnfoss

I would almost sig that one, but I’d feel it out of place on the unicycling side.

Huh? Where? Oh, yeah! RSU. I practically forgot that place existed. People are still talking about unicycling? Wow, I thought we all got tired of that. Or maybe that was just me. Crankflips and seat drags and gaps, oh my!

[Divebomber]

@BillyTheMountain

It’s sad that the most vocal “Christians” are actually idol worshippers.

They have manufactured a Jesus who hates gays and lesbians, so different from the real Jesus who preached love of everyone. They support war, so different from the real Jesus who insisted on peace, even when it was ineffective.

We should pray for these idol worshippers who call themselves “Christians,” that they may one day walk the path of Jesus, love homosexuals, and consistently say not to war.

I somewhat agree, but I don’t believe Jesus would say “no” to war. I believe that as Christians we are called to protect the innocent and defend the helpless, which does sometimes involve war.

I also don’t believe that Jesus wanted to promote “peace” and have it be “ineffective”. The Gospel is based around Jesus, His death on the Cross, and His resurrection and a need for a savior from Sin death and Hell. Point-blank. I believe that, that is the main goal. And it will create division among people.

While I don’t agree with the “God hates fags” agenda, I do believe that we need to understand that while God may love the homosexual, there does need to be a understanding that God does hate sin and does not have anything to do with it.

God is love, but I think that when posting on here or anywhere, there needs to be a dose of God’s radical truth in there in order for it to be “witnessing”.

I by no means want to promote a strelle God, far from it, but there is a real need for a savior from yourself, sin and everything else. Yes, something that Jesus Christ can only offer, but wheather it sounds “batty” or not, will produce peace, purpose and security that really isn’t offered anywhere else. Not in anything I’ve seen anyway…

[peleschramm]

@BillyTheMountain

It’s sad that the most vocal “Christians” are actually idol worshippers.

They have manufactured a Jesus who hates gays and lesbians, so different from the real Jesus who preached love of everyone. They support war, so different from the real Jesus who insisted on peace, even when it was ineffective.

We should pray for these idol worshippers who call themselves “Christians,” that they may one day walk the path of Jesus, love homosexuals, and consistently say not to war.

It does say in the bible that homosexuality is wrong (not that i agree)… It seems that you yourself have the wrong idea of the real jesus, like basically all those who can truthfully call themselves christians. If jesus indeed didn’t believe in the words of the bible(which isnt true)… thats a whole different story.