Thanks Cathy. I really do respect your opinion. But as you already say, we are in disagreement.
It is just sad that a part of today’s world finds rules more important than everyting else. Rules are important, we could not live without them. But they are not the only thing that counts.
As long as nobody
steals
uses violence
explicitly offends others
does harm to others in any way (including environmental pollution)
I will not be offended by their actions in any way.
If you (just as an example, I know you did not do that and you won’t do it) call me Asshole, I will not care. Because it is not my problem, it is yours. I am not affected in any way if someone thinks he needs to call me asshole. If he feels better by doing that, fine. I know I am not an asshole.
And to come back to the original example: All women should know that there is no difference in the value of men an women. When someone says “don’t be a woman about it” it would just make me smile because I know it is a silly and stupid expression. But it is not my role to play the teacher and stop the person saying such things. It is not worth debating it.
What about the expression “boys don’t cry”, when a man feels really sad and cries? You could also say this is a sexist expression. But again, I don’t care, because I know it is not true and there is no reason for any debate.
We put way too much energy into such things. Instead, we should use this engergy to help each other.
This is my individual opinion and I will not add any more posts to this topic, because it is just not worth the time.
Save the apologies for the trees!.. Really, I don’t think that was an argument. Just people sharing views respectively, well ok it was. Those aren’t really bad though, I think this thread has more to do with the more abrasive arguments that go on here about silly things. The one I am involved in might be a good example. The comment was not also just directed toward you. Arguments will happen, it is natural. It is how we go about them which is the problem in my eyes. Will someone catc this text who knows!
Actually I’m rather difficult to offend and even in these cirucmstances would be more interested in reasons rather than being offended.
You are obviously not a woman. All women definately do know that there is no difference in the value of men and women. Unfortunately not all men do. For example, in the UK women consistently get paid less than men do for doing the same job.
I’m sorry that you feel that it’s a waste of your time to contribute to our discussion because I was rather enjoying it. I love to hear other people’s opinons about things. So I for one will continue to contribute to debate and argument in JC and will talk about unicycling on the other part of the forum.
I agree with you, Cathy, on everything but this, just because I’ve definitely met my fair share of women and girls who don’t know that they are equal to men, which makes, in my opinion, comments like “Don’t be a woman about it” even worse. It just reinforces roles and stereotypes that are thriving alive and well in the thinking and culture of too many men and women.
To hugo: I think that most people would agree that saying something like “Don’t be a Jew about it” would be pretty uncalled for under any circumstances. So why the defense of the phrase when it’s used against women?
For what it’s worth, I think that the original poster of this thread completely overreacted to someone bringing attention to the fact that he used a tasteless phrase that some could easily find offensive. No one started being aggro about it until the OP quite rudely flipped out and admitted that yes, he considers women to be inferior street riders at least. In other words, he is about as sexist as his use of the phrase implied.
i think the thread has strayed…i am just upset that people come on here for only one reason, TO ARGUE. Thats it, if they had something helpfull to say then allright but they dont…
I agree with your point completely. You’re right about some women and girls not understanding that they are as valuable as men or boys. I suppose I only wanted to make the point that more women realise this than men do. (Because women constantly get the message that they’re not as valuable from society).
Spoonthum, I wouldn’t bother being upset about the arguing. I’m not upset that you are sexist (as the post above pointed out). I rather like debate, although I don’t like sexism.
(From one woman who knows her value, even if she isn’t good at street)
Read a few threads HERE, in an un-moderated skier forum. Language can be NSFW. people are pretty nasty to newbies,(JONGS) but it is hilarious to read and actually has great info if you sift through some of the more vitrolic posts. It also has some of the best ever trip-reports you’re likely to find on any forum.
I assume that you would not have made a statement that was blatently racist, so why is it OK to make a statement that is sexist?
You may refer to being weak as being “a woman” in your group of adolescent friends. They all laugh and nobody is offended. However, this is a forum that spans genders, races, generations and sexualities. Are you surprised that you make a statement that really is offensive to a large group of people that are likely to read it and somebody calls you on your shit?
My statement was gentle. Your rebuttle was even more offensive than your originally statement. It shows how deeply sexism is ingrained in your head that you are surprised that someone would find it offensive.
Guess what, act like an asshole, and people are going to argue with you.
ok, one of the most hypocritical posts i have seen in a long time
allrighty guess what i am sexist…there are no women unicyclers that can compart to shaun j. Show me one and ill retract my statement. It was a statement that didnt deserve a rebuttle and YOU my friend are who i am talking about. All you come on here for is to argue.
Where do you draw the line? You can call me names too, and it will roll off my back, but so what? Does that mean we should allow someone to say anything they want about other races, genders, sexes and sexualities and simply let it pass?
People may have the right to be ignorant, but I reserve the right to call them on it, and I will.
Also please note, that my original post didn’t call you names (unlike your rebuttle). It simple pointed out that what you said was inappropriate, and IT IS.
If I like to argue, you certainly give me a perfect reason to do so.
why was my post inappropriate? what was Untrue about it? Granted i shouldent have called you a dumbass and i am sorry but still. your not making a point.
Don’t use “women” in a derogatory term, just like using “gay” to be something stupid.
It’s not nice, and you should get out of the habit of using these phrases.
It doesn’t bother me, but some people out there (mainly gays and women?) don’t like it.
You implied that women are so timid as to be afraid to learn to idle. That certainly isn’t offensive to your group of teenage male friends, but the readership here is much more broad. It includes actual women.
That may not be what you meant to say, but it is the implication of the literal language you used.
I also understand that sexism is ingrained in language, but it certainly shouldn’t be. People who are not a member of the oppressed class don’t usually recognize the embedded language that is part of the oppression.
Shaun might be great at street, but I can’t think of a man who is better than Kaori at japanese-stye freestyle. I’m pretty sure she wasn’t afraid to learn to idle.
