any decent alternative to Miayat seat?

So, given that the newer stock of Miyata seats don’t hold up as well as the
older stock - is there any seat that is a good alternative to the Miyata?
Or is there any place that still sells the ‘older batch’ of Miyata seats
that were manufactured in Japan?

thanks,
Erin

That’s a recurring question that we’ve all been wrestling with. In my mind, there is nothing as good as the old Miyata converted to air. The options that exist are:

1 - some other saddle with a reeder handle (the Viscount saddles aren’t too bad, I think. I haven’t tried many other seats).

2 - The new Miyata saddle with Yoopers’ ingenious solution for protecting against the cracking handle. Check out Yoopers’ post about their solution. It looks great, but only time will tell how effective it is.

3 - The new Miyata saddle with a different handle. The Wilder/Muniac CNC replacement lift handle looks very impressive. But, you have to buy a whole new handle for your saddle.

4 - The new velo seat designed by Kris Holm - not available until september. This could be the solutions to all our problems and the answers to all our prayers. I’ll tell you in october.

Well said.

Re: any decent alternative to Miayat seat?

> 4 - The new velo seat designed by Kris Holm - not available until
> september. This could be the solutions to all our problems and the
> answers to all our prayers. I’ll tell you in october.
>
>
> –
> nbrazzi
>

So probably a dumb question, but why do we have to wait until September as I
think the seat was already out and about down at the UNICON?

and, also … for sure yet another dumb question: is the handle to Kris’s
seat design underneath the seat body and therefore not as obvious as the
Miyata seat handle…?

thanks
the newbie, Erin

Re: any decent alternative to Miayat seat?

Erin wrote:
>
> So, given that the newer stock of Miyata seats don’t hold up as well as the
> older stock - is there any seat that is a good alternative to the Miyata?

Jason’s Ultimate Saddle:

Air saddle, UPD counter, fuzzy dice, mp3-player (firewire interface),
air horn, hydraulic brake, co2 filler, air freshener, head lamp, solar
panels, solar charged batteries, air pressure gauge, altimeter,
tachometer, police scanner, MUni handle, EMP generator and leather tool
bag…

'nough said… :smiley:

See it for yourself
http://www.unicyclist.com/gallery/album88

Cheers,

Jason

Re: any decent alternative to Miayat seat?

Erin wrote:
>
> > 4 - The new velo seat designed by Kris Holm - not available until
> > september. This could be the solutions to all our problems and the
> > answers to all our prayers. I’ll tell you in october.
> >
> >
> > –
> > nbrazzi
> >
>
> So probably a dumb question, but why do we have to wait until September as I
> think the seat was already out and about down at the UNICON?

I think it was a prototype?

Cheers,

Jason

Re: Re: any decent alternative to Miayat seat?

Yeah, and it broke at UNICON, so that might delay the release of it.

Yeah, they had two prototypes at UNICON. One you could hold and squeeze and stroke and another stuck on a 20" uni that you could put your butt on. I put my butt on that one, but since I wasn’t used to a 20" uni, I couldn’t really judge. It felt pretty good from what I could gather.

Hey, Gilby, what happened to it? I hadn’t heard it broke.

Re: any decent alternative to Miayat seat?

I bought an old style Miyata seat from Darren Bedford. He had a few about a month ago. Try e-mailing him.
bedford_unicycles@yahoo.ca

You could wiggle the front of the seat up and down a little, so I think the plastic base broke.

John Drummond was giving it a good test run in the Seafair Torchlight Parade and somewhere along the route, it broke on him. I agree, I’m sure it will slow the release date down a bit but I think John’s test will turn out to be a blessing in disguise. Now we’ll have an even more stable and secure saddle once the problem is fixed.

Bruce

Actually, it was broken before the parade. I gave it a test ride and noticed it and pointed it out to John. Lots of people tried it out before that, so who knows what was being done that caused it to break.

Of course, after all, John has quite a bit of leverage as he will be in the position of purchasing thousands of them, more than anyone else, and can therefore get the manufacturer to change things.

Re: any decent alternative to Miayat seat?

On Fri, 09 Aug 2002 11:25:45 -0800, Jason Neumann
<nospam@nospam.no.no.no> wrote:

>air pressure gauge, altimeter,
Does the air pressure gauge measure tyre pressure? I guess so since I
presume the altimeter works on ambient air pressure (and they are
different things).

Klaas Bil

Re: any decent alternative to Miayat seat?

Klaas Bil wrote:
>
> On Fri, 09 Aug 2002 11:25:45 -0800, Jason Neumann
> <nospam@nospam.no.no.no> wrote:
>
> >air pressure gauge, altimeter,
> Does the air pressure gauge measure tyre pressure? I guess so since I
> presume the altimeter works on ambient air pressure (and they are
> different things).
>
> Klaas Bil

You’re right, perhaps we could make it a dual gauge- measuring both the
tire (tyre) pressure and the saddle pressure. I was thinking of using
some sort of cold gas like Freeon for the saddle to keep ones butt
nicely chilled. :smiley:

Jason

Re: any decent alternative to Miayat seat?

> I bought an old style Miyata seat from Darren Bedford. He had a few
> about a month ago. Try e-mailing him.
> bedford_unicycles@yahoo.ca

Yeah, good idea… and I did actually e-mail him about just that a few
days ago but I haven’t heard back from him yet… he might still be
catching up on business about being away in uni land for so long.
Anyways, I’ve got my fingers crossed that he may still have some old
stock which could serve to tide me over nicely until Kris’s seat is
ready for the market.

Erin

Re: Re: Re: any decent alternative to Miayat seat?

I just found out that it wasn’t the seat that broke, but it was just a loose tilt thingie on the seat post. :sunglasses:

Re: any decent alternative to Miayat seat?

— Gilby <Gilby.95pgb@timelimit.unicyclist.com> wrote:
> I just found out that it wasn’t the seat that broke, but it was just a
> loose tilt thingie on the seat post. :sunglasses:

Confirmed. When it was put on the unicycle, the bolts holding the seat to the seatpost were not
tightened sufficiently. Nothing broke- it was just loose.

The handle on the Velo is similar to the Miyata handle except for two things:

  1. It has about 2 cm more room for the fingers (is longer by about 2 cm)
  2. It attaches MUCH more strongly to the seat frame. The attachment is by 4 bolts, not 3, and the
    plastic is thicker. The design also puts less stress than the Miyatya on the bolt holes and
    around the perimeter of the part the bolts screw into on the handle, so there should be little
    problems with cracking.

One thing: Eventually there will be a Wilder rails bracket available for the Velo (probably late
fall) (like this but for the Velo <http://www.unicycle.com/shopping/shopexd.asp?id=253>).
Hopefully this will eventually come standard with the seat but for now it will be optional. In my
opinion this is really important to get, too, because it will allow adjustment of seat angle and
the use of a standard bike seatpost, which really increases comfort.

-Kris.


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Jason, I have a solution so that we won’t need batteries on the Ultimate Saddle. If we can get Profile to manufacture this, we’ll have it made for night trail riding.
http://www.sheldonbrown.com/harris/lighting/nexus.html

>Jason’s Ultimate Saddle:

Air saddle, UPD counter, fuzzy dice, mp3-player (firewire interface),
air horn, hydraulic brake, co2 filler, air freshener, head lamp, solar
panels, solar charged batteries, air pressure gauge, altimeter,
tachometer, police scanner, MUni handle, EMP generator and leather tool
bag…<

That altimeter will help you when you are testing you torker:

>3.) A 24" Torker unicycle bearing a 148-152 pound rider may be dropped from a helicopter from a height of 1846 feet. Most 24" Torkers can only do this once.<