Look at this: a anti-war protest in Amsterdam ended in fights with riot police in front of the American Ambassy (‘how peacefull mind’).
Okay, no big deal, fighting riot police in Amsterdam is an weekly event anyway,
but when they start needing backup from military police,…
it means the Dutch army is fighting against it’s own civilians…!
have they shown the footage of the american POWs in the states yet? or is the propoganda/cencorship prevailing?
its not propoganda or cencorship,their waiting to notify the familys.
a little later this evening i did see a version of it but it was purposly blurred and muted.they never showed the face down bodies on the floor,but the news of this was vivedly described on radio news.
yet this very admirably humane reason for delaying the broadcast of the one image that could swing public opinion on the war did not stop SKY news or the BBC from broadcasting it MUCH earlier?
here some pictures that -according Adam Curry- has’nt been in US media yet. If you’re intrested in media censorship at Mtv-europe: http://www.internalmemos.com/memos/memodetails.php?memo_id=1424
Another war post
They were showing those folks on the news here in Japan yesterday. The guy at the bottom left was asked where he was from, and he said “Texas”, and the guy at the bottom right said he was from New Jersey. He said he was with a maintenance unit. If that’s true, they could be technically considered “non-combatants” I guess… maybe that’s why they were captured.
And yes, the person in the upper right photo is a woman.
Belgiums VTM is showing even more real American blood and the yank’s complain about it’s against article 13 and 14 of the convention of Geneva (hmm, suddenly they care about UN dessisions?). Did they care about the same rules when they last week did do the same thing?
The US and the UK media sencoring will make these reports will not been shown on any channel there (yet). Internet will! Funny when you know arpanet initially was developped for.
I dont understand that video, Its like its in another language.
It’s in 3 languages…
But I think it was plain english where those two told they were from… texas.
Yes, Scott, that’s the interesting thing about people in other countries…
In many cases, they can speak English, but often, they choose not to.
That usually gives them an advantage over the majority of us Americans who can’t speak anything but English.
Imagine how superior they feel when they hear us laugh at their language!
Something to think about next time someone taunts you for unicycling.
I have been silent on the whole war issue, until now.
The families are here in the states, most likely not watching those networks. When it is British soldiers, I hope BBC anbd SKY will make sure British families are notified first.
I recently finished up 9 years or Active duty service in the Army. Had I still been in the Army, I would be over there. My old unit(s) deployed a few weeks ago. I wouldn’t want my Mom, Dad and the rest of my family to find out something like that from CNN or NBC. I think it was right to not show it immediatly.
A little time has passed now, the families know what has become of their loved ones and the soldiers names and faces are now on TV and in the newspapers; about 36-48 hours after it happened. Though I feel relief that none of the many people I know to be in and around Iraq are among the POW, MIA or KIA, I am saddened that this is happening to anyone. Both sides.
Didn’t the US go in there to enforce UN Resolution 1440? The odd thing about that, of course is that they’re doing it without UN support. This makes me wonder if the UN Security Council is capable of making any hard and fast decisions.
But I believe the US intends to comply with the terms of the Geneva Convention when it comes to prisoners of war. I fully expect Iraq not to. This is predictable behavior, as they beat and tortured their prisoners in the 1991 war. I don’t think warning them not to will have a large effect on whether or not they will this time.
I can’t speak for the UK, but I know the American media has a tough time with itself in times like these. They love to “scoop” each other by showing stuff first, but at the same time they want to be patriotic as well. The US government can ask that the pictures and videos not be shown, and they must have some legal right to enforce this. Beyond that however, the media companies in the US are privately owned, and they can say and show what they want. Censorship, if you want to call it that, is controlled by the media company owners, with strong influence by the sponsors and advertisers and, outside of times of war, not under the control of the US government. If the Geneva Convention says you can’t show certain things, it’s up to those media companies to follow those laws if the US government says they will be followed.
The reporters in the field have unprecedented access to the battles as they happen. A scary job I would not want! They must be under agreements to reveal onlly what they’ve been allowed to reveal. This makes perfect sense for anyone who doesn’t want to get their soldiers killed. I’m still surprised by the amount of information and detail that gets espoused by “experts” on TV about what may or should happen next as the troops approach Bahgdad.
In other words; publish only what the Pentagon approves, or it’s back to Kuwait with your correspondents.
You say “strategic censorship”, I say “propandistic spin-doctoring”.
Oh, well…
It’s all just a big 24-hour action movie for Americans, anyhow. No risk to the general citizenry.
Ooh! It’s like the 4th of July!
Oooooh! Was that a house?
Which is correctly. Not to mention the part of Americans that cannot even write english because of poor education. But hey, blew up another spaceship for good reasons. After the war is won the economy is radically changed, and -since the US has the largest amount of christians- all poor poeple will bennefit.
(puke) Actually I think this is one example of not following the UN.
I’m talking about the US forcing pricing and export of steel in the UK and Holland (without UN dessionmaking).
When these countries ignore, they blackmail with cutting off all their export, starting with non-genetic manipulated dutch tomatos.
I’m talking about UN climate conferance, where ignoring behaviour of the states verses the pact of Australia + China + Japan + India + whole Africa and Europe is so amazing childish and especially egoistic. I wonder what their citizens itself thought about it. No media reports with truth details to find about it in the states.
I suddenly remember the TV recording about how the US treated supposed taliban fighters. Not very Genevalike.
Media is also depending on those organisation that give them licence to broadcast…
So they are not allowed to broadcast anything… for childporn, okay, but for soldiers who did not went there for a holiday…
Being not allowed to broadcast anything is for me a definition of the word censor.
But basicly Belgium, Dutch en Japanese TV are not genevaconv. complient. Yes I think you right. How rude…
Back to the question. Did the US worry about those article’s 13 & 14? Or do you think they waited till the Iraki families were informed?
Though I agree with much of what Gluteous is saying, that part is a little off. Based on the quote you provided, the Pentagon has established ground rules of what you can and cannot divulge. They are not, on the other hand, filtering everything produced by the reporters. So it’s censorship by a set of predefined rules, rather than on an item-by-item basis. Still, depending on how you define it, it is a form of censorship.
You seem to disagree with this. Would you rather have the reporters in the field giving away the strategic information that is, in part, keeping them alive? What do you have in mind?
so finaly we agree.
yep, we knew for long: they make their own rules, and else they use them randomly
(for example accepting the international court except for US citizens that commited war crimes).
“rules of war” is oxymornic, if not plain old moronic.
Oh, and Damn those Iraqi devils for donning civilian garb and fighting dirty. How uncivilized!
Does anyone, anyone at all, remember the little thing called the American Revolution? Didn’t those damn dirty colonists sneak around in the bushes with their squirrel guns? Who the Fuck have we become?
Violent protests.
Fighting for peace is like fucking for virginity? ? True, but a very difficult path to follow. Historically (viet nam), peaceful protests have gone largely unnoticed by the administration. Now more than ever it may be time to shake things up a bit. Especially when bushthemoron thinks of people who dissent as merely the small voice of a focus group.
Too bad this “focus group’s” old company didn’t just win a large contract to rebuild oil fields
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/0308-05.htm
Oh yeah, all of you ignorant bastards who think peace and patriotism are mutually exclusive can Kiss My ASS !!!
Can you tel me what you see here?
The correct answer is:
Dutch militairy police is fighting in civilian clothes.
We captured on militairy-frequencies: “we rather have fights in de beginning of this war”
and so go ahead, force violence…
I think this is sick to, to manipulate events like that!
(on the right is the US ambassy).
don’t ask how we got this, click it.
Then watch the videoclip(link at the very bottom) you wont see it on Mtv-europe…
Fatguygoesuphill…“Oh yeah, all of you ignorant bastards who think peace and patriotism are mutually exclusive can Kiss My ASS !!!”
Whoa, dude, you lick your grandma’s butt with that mouth? Somebody learned some big bad words today in kindergarten! 