An Open Letter To High School Students

I needn’t add any more to this letter, other than to encourage you all to read it…

An Open Letter to High-School Students:
Pay Attention to Government

by Bart Frazier, Posted July 6, 2007

To every high-school student in this country between the ages of 15 and 18, this letter is to you. If there is ever something that you should take the time to learn about, it is government.

Why? — you ask. If your idea of government is endless babbling by old congressional codgers on C-SPAN, you’re partly right. The art of government, or politics, is less entertaining than a visit to the dentist. However, hidden among all the babble of congressional rules and yeas and nays that you hear on television, the real secret that is never explained to you in school is that government is force, and government can use this force to violate your rights.

Read the full letter here

umm…american government sux. they take all our money to fund wars that we shouldn’t be in. i say we cause im part american and live a part of the year in america. canada is so much better than america on so many levels.

Great Article. Never saw the second amendment that way before.

(Canada is in America…you’re talking about the United States, which does indeed suck)

Mark Twain said, ‘loyalty to your country always, loyalty to your government when it deserves it.’ The Scooter Libby thing was, for me, the last straw ever…I used to stay out of Bush bashing discussions, but his recent actions are completely unforgivable. Our current government is filled with fascist pigs who care about money and power more than the country they’re supposed to be running, and I only hope that in 2008 we get a halfway decent government who are up to fixing everything the Bush Administration has screwed up.
We need a massive revolution.

technically its in North America. but im to tired to be a smart ass, so yah, what i meant is USA, sorry, 2:30 at night and am playing guitar hero :smiley:

Huh? Did you read the Open Letter to High School Students? In regards to the issues in the letter the Democrats and the Republicans are the same. Same status quo style of government. The Democrats won’t fix the issues addressed in the letter. The Democrats had power before and they changed nothing of import. The Democrats have no intention of changing anything about the war on drugs. The Democrats are quite eager to violate our rights, just in different ways than the Republicans. The Democrats are not the revolution you are thinking of.

In case you didn’t notice, the open letter was a call for Libertarian style reform. It was not a call for a Democrat sweep in 2008.

I have some Libertarian leanings in my political philosophy, but not so much as to even consider the massive change and style of government that a Libertarian style government would bring. I’d rather keep things as they are with just a little push towards Libertarian philosophies. Especially in terms of the war on drugs and how the left and right (Democrats and Republicans) use the force of government to force their view of what is right and moral and end up trampling our rights in the process.

I didn’t realize maestro8 was so hard core Libertarian. Or maybe he just finds the letter thought provoking and appropriate for some discussion.

http://www.ronpaul2008.com

Yup. The laws are so stacked against any other parties that you have to infiltrate one of these parties. Democrats need to revert back to the principles of it’s founder, and Republicans need to learn what conservative actually means.

hang on a minute, this assumes the average high school student can read.

Some of us need to step down, or at least occasionally look down, from our party-related high horses. James_Potter did not mention Democrats. I’m with him. I don’t care who, but I agree with the kinds of repairs this nation needs. I hope for some of it to come with a new administration, though it would take more of a real, physical revolution to make such fundamental changes in how our govt. operates, I think.

Gilby, how’d you get your picture with Ron Paul, and when was your hair so long?

Great letter, Jason. Thanks for sharing.

JC, normally I agree with most of what you post, but I’m gonna have to disagree with you here. We need that broad change. The reason the government is what it is right now is because it’s had over 200 years to slowly chip away at the Constitution.

As Gilby said, join the revolution.

I didn’t say anything about Democrats or Republicans in my post…I know that Republicans can be good and Democrats can be bad. I actually don’t consider myself Democrat, even though most people analyzing my beliefs would probably call me that…if anything, I consider myself Libertarian.
My point was that Bush is a bad president who happens to be Republican, and a good president of any political party association should be able to fix what he’s done.

I agree, but a big problem is that the majority of Americans are fairly ignorant to the workings of the government and just vote for whichever party they’ve always identified with, which is either Republican or Democrat. When they see the word Libertarian they just see it as one of those silly third party candidates with no chance of winning, and so they wouldn’t vote for him or her. Many of the people who voted for Bush are the people who say we should support the president no matter what even if we disagree with what he’s doing…and that mindset will destroy our country if we let it.

True that, too much Libertarianism could be akin to Anarchy…but the Open Letter addressed that in fact, saying that our government is supposed to protect our rights but not infringe upon them.
Personally I’d like it if political parties were entirely abolished, and we have to actually look at the different issues to decide which candidate we like best. I remember reading somewhere that George Washington warned against the danger of political parties dividing our nation against itself…and see where we are now…

Yup, he warned against partisanship and permanent foreign alliances. I don’t consider myself educated enough to decide if either of those are necessarily good or bad, but they seem like sensible enough ideas.

That might be hard. Likely you’ll get people grouping together with similar views. However, what’s likely is to make it a system that is less dependent on parties. Ranking the candidates would be a good step, and tally it using an instant runoff or similar method. Another is to make it where the representatives are chosen not by a small area as it is now, but do it on a state basis, where the top X elected are the representatives. Then I could have a different representative than my neighbor, and the representatives would more accurately represent the people, instead of just 51% of the people.

He was in Iowa on June 30, and that’s a short daytrip from here. The story is quite interesting on how the event happened. There was a Presidential Candidates Forum put on by two organizations, Iowans for Tax Relief and Iowa Christian Alliance. Ron Paul was excluded. Afterall, why would they want someone there who wants to abolish the IRS? Is that not tax relief? So, local Ron Paul supporters reserved the hall right next door to the forum, and Ron Paul decided to make it a party to celebrate life and liberty. The forum had about 600 people attending, while Ron Paul’s had over 1000. He gave a one hour speech there which gives a great overview of his positions:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4561642225013498426

Don’t forget to only allow multi-millionaires to be candidates, we wouldn’t want to change that.

That’s how the current system works. You either have to be in with the GOP or the Dems, or have millions of that green stuff that used to be our biggest export.

As for me, I’m supporting the candidate who is not a multi-millionaire, but he has raised that in his campaign…

Thank you, I try and say this often but it rarely holds true in most people.

Bump.

We got an election coming up. For some of you, this will be your first time voting.

Our future isn’t shaped just by our president. Our representatives in the House and Senate play a big part too. Even folks like supervisors, mayors, judges, et. al. will play a role.

Please inform yourself. Your future freedom is at stake. The Internet makes it easy. All you have to do is some reading…

Interesting timing. (one week after the Quebec general election, where students were a huge factor)

All students must realize that they are the future of their country and most definitely matter. Get educated about the issues and candidates (don’t just blindly follow others) and VOTE.

If you don’t vote you shouldn’t complain when the result is not what you want.

Here’s a good little article on a similar subject. Everyone else isn’t the problem. In American politics, all of the “end” power is held by a relatively tiny group of people. Only they can make the big changes. If they don’t, why is it somebody else’s fault? An interesting read:

545 vs. 300,000,000 People
-By Charlie Reese

Politicians are the only people in the world who create problems and then campaign against them. Have you ever wondered, if both the Democrats and the Republicans are against deficits, WHY do we have deficits? Have you ever wondered, if all the politicians are against inflation and high taxes, WHY do we have inflation and high taxes?

You and I don’t propose a federal budget. The President does.
You and I don’t have the Constitutional authority to vote on appropriations. The House of Representatives does.
You and I don’t write the tax code, Congress does.
You and I don’t set fiscal policy, Congress does.
You and I don’t control monetary policy, the Federal Reserve Bank does.

One hundred senators, 435 congressmen, one President, and nine Supreme Court justices equates to 545 human beings out of the 300 million are directly, legally, morally, and individually responsible for the domestic problems that plague this country.

I excluded the members of the Federal Reserve Board because that problem was created by the Congress. In 1913, Congress delegated its Constitutional duty to provide a sound currency to a federally chartered, but private, central bank.

I excluded all the special interests and lobbyists for a sound reason. They have no legal authority. They have no ability to coerce a senator, a congressman, or a President to do one cotton-picking thing. I don’t care if they offer a politician $1 million dollars in cash. The politician has the power to accept or reject it. No matter what the lobbyist promises, it is the legislator’s responsibility to determine how he votes.

Those 545 human beings spend much of their energy convincing you that what they did is not their fault. They cooperate in this common con regardless of party. What separates a politician from a normal human being is an excessive amount of gall. No normal human being would have the gall of a Speaker, who stood up and criticized the President for creating deficits. The President can only propose a budget. He cannot force the Congress to accept it.

The Constitution, which is the supreme law of the land, gives sole responsibility to the House of Representatives for originating and approving appropriations and taxes. Who is the speaker of the House? John Boehner. He is the leader of the majority party. He and fellow House members, not the President, can approve any budget they want. If the President vetoes it, they can pass it over his veto if they agree to.

It seems inconceivable to me that a nation of 300 million cannot replace 545 people who stand convicted – by present facts – of incompetence and irresponsibility. I can’t think of a single domestic problem that is not traceable directly to those 545 people. When you fully grasp the plain truth that 545 people exercise the power of the federal government, then it must follow that what exists is what they want to exist.

If the tax code is unfair, it’s because they want it unfair.
If the budget is in the red, it’s because they want it in the red.
If the Army & Marines are in Afghanistan it’s because they want them in Afghanistan …
If they do not receive social security but are on an elite retirement plan not available to the people, it’s because they want it that way.

There are no insoluble government problems. Do not let these 545 people shift the blame to bureaucrats, whom they hire and whose jobs they can abolish; to lobbyists, whose gifts and advice they can reject; to regulators,
to whom they give the power to regulate and from whom they can take this power. Above all, do not let them con you into the belief that there exists disembodied mystical forces like “the economy,” “inflation,” or “politics” that prevent them from doing what they take an oath to do.

Those 545 people, and they alone, are responsible. They, and they alone, have the power. They, and they alone, should be held accountable by the people who are their bosses. Provided the voters have the gumption to manage their own employees… We should vote all of them out of office and clean up their mess!

Charlie Reese is a former columnist of the Orlando Sentinel Newspaper. This was his last column, though I don’t know the date.

I’m all for people getting more involved with government, but that letter is ridiculous. I’m very much in favor of across the board drug legalization. I’m also against the draft.

Guns for the sake of revolution is a moot point. No amount of armed revolution by the people will succeed without the support of the US military. And a revolution by enough members of the military will succeed with or without help from armed citizens. Also, times change, and the constitution was not written with current weaponry in mind.

Getting rid of welfare because it is theft is a terrible idea. Of course, if you go down that road we should get rid of all social services (fire fighters, police, ambulances, education, highways, etc). Why have a government at all?

If you don’t want the benefit of any the social services and protections the US government offers, there are plenty of places you can easily relocate to (Somalia, for one).

If you think the government should do somethings, but not quite as much as it does now, you should be arguing honestly for that. Tell the truth: "The government should take a minimum amount of taxes from everyone to pay for police and road construction, because I like roads and protection from poor people, but don’t give out welfare, because I don’t need it right now.