Advice on off-road unicycle

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Hi all,

I’m a friend of Lewis and Chris, and I’m learning to ride on an
off-the-shelf Miyata 24-inch Deluxe. However, I’m already planning to get a
second unicycle that I will ride both off-road and on-road (maybe 2:1). I
weight about 160 lbs. and I’ll probably learn to hop at some point, but I
don’t plan to put it through large drops (though this could change). I’d
like to keep the price as low as is feasible while still getting a unicycle
that will last. Here’s what I’ve come up with so far…

Yuni 24-inch frame
Odyssey GI seat post clamp
Miyata air saddle
Suzue 36-hole high-flange hub
Marwi 14g spokes & nipples
170-mm cotterless alloy crank arms
Sun Doublewide 24-inch rim
Nokian Gazzaloddi 24 x 3.0 Downhill tire (are there any advantages to a
2.6?)
Snafu Platform Pin Pedals (better than Odyssey Twisted Pro or Southgate
BMX?)

I thought about going with the Profile hub and cranks, but I wasn’t sure if
it was worth the cost since I don’t plan on doing a lot of heavy trails and
drops (though as I mentioned, this could change). Would I be able to
replace the Suzue hub with a Profile hub if needed? And how desirable is a
carbon fiber seat frame?

Any advice or suggestions on the above list will be appreciated.

That’s a very good choice for a beginner MUni. It will not be very good for street riding, though. I doubt that will be a problem since you already have a good street unicycle.

The only thing that I would suggest changing is to get an Alex DX32 rim rather than the Doublewide. Its cheaper, lighter and just as strong. The first the to go on that unicycle will be the cranks. If you feel like spending more right off that bat, you could get them upgraded to Kookas.

Carbon fiber seat frames are very nice, but I would wait till you have a problem with the stock seat base before upgrading. Also, if you wait a little longer you can get a Velo seat, which should fix the problem for much cheaper.

A Profile hub will fit in a Yuni frame just fine. I would stick with a Suzue for now.

Hope that helps.

Ben

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I always feel funny about answering questions that smarter people could answer better than I could. But, I’m bored at work, so here goes.

Some frames (like my Pashley) simply won’t fit a 3.0" So, the benefit of the 2.6", to me, is that I can use it. Turning might be better on a thinner tire, but you get used to the wider tire. Plus, when MUni’ing, you want grip rather than turning radius, usually.

I had this same internal debate when choosing my trials uni. The big dilemma is, you probably won’t break equipment for a while, but eventually you probably will. But, I don’t think you can be sure when or how much you will break your equipment until you know how good and how abusive you are likely to get. Essentially, you don’t know if your going to break stuff until you start breaking stuff. I decided to go with the Suzue/Monty hub/crank for my trials because I still haven’t broken the Lasco cranks on my MUni. As soon as I do that, then I’ll star buying hardcore stuff.

Same thing goes for the seat as for the hub and cranks. But, catch this, the carbon fiber base goes for like $50 and its a great item, no doubt. But, George Barnes designed a metal re-inforcement plate for the standard seat base that will be going for around $10 at Unicycle.com sometime soon. They say it rivals the CF base, so its something to look out for. I’m definitely getting one when it is available.

Also, the new Velo seat does look tasty…if we ever get it.

That’s all from me. Now I’ll make way for the smarter people to give you some advice.

Nick,

Sounds pretty intelligent to me. Please feel free to give me Muni advice anytime.

Bruce

I really enjoyed the 2.6 while I had it. It is lighter by (I think) a pound over the 3.0. Also, I had it with 170mm cranks and because the diameter is a bit less than the 3.0, I believe it gave me a tad more torque when climbing. But improved technique can compensate for this.

I have been riding a 3.0 for the last two months and I really like it even more. It’s more weight,but it helps on the curb height hops. I feel more flex in the tire both going up and landing.

On a side note regarding the Barns stiffener, it weighs an (as estimated ) about .5 lbs. That could be significant if your trying to keep the weight down. The CF plate is much lighter, but more expensive. Also, right now, unicycle.com is out of the CF bases.
They will arrive in about 3 weeks. I know, cuz I tried to buy one two days ago.

No one really knows that much about the Velo seat. It’s supposed to be coming out very very soon.

Why not weight until the Velo seat comes out and then see if anyone can get some reviews on it. Once that happens, that might make your decision easier with regards to the seat/ and or entire Muni.

Good luck

E-mail me.

Hey Uni Cycle,

I’m glad that you have found Lewis and Chris and are starting to ride. I can’t add to the excellent advice from above but I do want to invite you to participate with the Memphis Unicycle Club. Lewis, Chris and I often get together for weekends of uni and MUni in either Memphis or Jackson. Please feel free to put yourself on the MUC e-mailing list for weekly updates updates. I still think that y’all down river folks should form the Delta Unicycle Club so we could have the DUC. (Lewis was the one that suggested that we call our club the Memphis Unicyle Club so we could use his motto: “Come out and play in the MUC.” We did and we do.

Welcome to the herd,
Tommy

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just buy the profile hub ,it’s well worth the money
“Uni Cycle” <uni@cycle.com> wrote in message
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> Hi all,
>
> I’m a friend of Lewis and Chris, and I’m learning to ride on an
> off-the-shelf Miyata 24-inch Deluxe. However, I’m already planning to get
a
> second unicycle that I will ride both off-road and on-road (maybe 2:1). I
> weight about 160 lbs. and I’ll probably learn to hop at some point, but I
> don’t plan to put it through large drops (though this could change). I’d
> like to keep the price as low as is feasible while still getting a
unicycle
> that will last. Here’s what I’ve come up with so far…
>
> Yuni 24-inch frame
> Odyssey GI seat post clamp
> Miyata air saddle
> Suzue 36-hole high-flange hub
> Marwi 14g spokes & nipples
> 170-mm cotterless alloy crank arms
> Sun Doublewide 24-inch rim
> Nokian Gazzaloddi 24 x 3.0 Downhill tire (are there any advantages to a
> 2.6?)
> Snafu Platform Pin Pedals (better than Odyssey Twisted Pro or Southgate
> BMX?)
>
> I thought about going with the Profile hub and cranks, but I wasn’t sure
if
> it was worth the cost since I don’t plan on doing a lot of heavy trails
and
> drops (though as I mentioned, this could change). Would I be able to
> replace the Suzue hub with a Profile hub if needed? And how desirable is
a
> carbon fiber seat frame?
>
> Any advice or suggestions on the above list will be appreciated.
>
>

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Come out and play with the DUC!

Quote from Unicycle.com:

If you’re planning to use the Nokian Gazzaloddi 24 x 3.0 tire, order the Yuni 26-inch frame.

Hey, the Kookas are down to $109 at unicycle.com. Still, I’ve bent like six pair of cranks this year, so I’m going Profile for x-mas. Just gotta see if the bike shop can get them for me cheaper. Joe

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Tommy,

I wish Ed lived in Mississippi. His family is from here, but he is employed by Yale, so he is a bit far off. So, he won’t be unicycling with us anytime soon sadly. I am glad I saw him at DragonCon this year … I hope I inspired him to make a purchase and learn soon!

For that matter, I wish Chris lived in Mississippi. :slight_smile: I mean he does but I never see him anymore. He has been off hang-gliding for 2 weeks, and when he IS in town, he usually unicycles at lunch, and not after work.

Oh well. Maybe I’ll meet another local unicyclist. I would create one, but I’m fresh out of Insta-Clone.

Lewis

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Animation <Animation.avxhy@timelimit.unicyclist.com> writes:

> Oh well. Maybe I’ll meet another local unicyclist. I would create one,
> but I’m fresh out of Insta-Clone.

That reminds me of a story of two Polish rabbis, well versed in
Cabbala, who created a golem in the shape of a calf, and then
proceeded to butcher it and cook it for supper. Perhaps you could hang
the golem-Animations upside down in your attic for the night, next to
their unicycles? Then take them down the next day and ride downtown in
a neat formation looking for some action.

Janne

The thinking machine runs out of thought, # shem@erasethis.iki.fi
and sucks the brains out of everybody with #
stainless steel needles glittering in #
pinball pinks and gas flares and sky rockets.#

Although I didn’t break the Lascos on my 26" Pashley, I found them very squirrely under load (both hopping and hill-climbing) and am much happier with the Kookas. They are a real bargain at $109 IMHO.

I’m not a 24" Muni rider, but isn’t 170mm pretty long for a 24"?

Personally, if you end up breaking the Suzue-Kooka combo, you are doing some serious riding and that would be a good time to go for the Profile combination. Until then, I think it is overkill given your description.

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Thanks to everyone for their advice and suggestions!

Does anyone else have recommendations on crank length for an off-road
unicycle with a 24 x 3 tire, probably for light trails with moderate hills?
The Kookas seem to be available only in 170 mm at Unicycle.com

Also, someone mentioned that the Gazzaloddi 24 x 3 tire may no longer be
available soon, is that correct?

Finally, are the new Velo seat and KH Norco unicycle still expected this
fall?

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> Although I didn’t break the Lascos on my 26" Pashley, I found them very
> squirrely under load (both hopping and hill-climbing) and am much
> happier with the Kookas. They are a real bargain at $109 IMHO.
>
> I’m not a 24" Muni rider, but isn’t 170mm pretty long for a 24"?
>
> Personally, if you end up breaking the Suzue-Kooka combo, you are doing
> some serious riding and that would be a good time to go for the Profile
> combination. Until then, I think it is overkill given your description.
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On Fri, 13 Sep 2002 02:13:01 -0500, U-Turn
<U-Turn.awqfn@timelimit.unicyclist.com> wrote:

>I’m not a 24" Muni rider, but isn’t 170mm pretty long for a 24"?

Yes it is, with emphasis on “pretty”. I have 170’s on my UDC Max
Traction 24 x 3 and love’em. You should realise that such a wide tyre
may be nominally 24" but is actually close to 26" diameter.

Klaas Bil

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nobody knows the day or the hour.

Yo, Uni Cycyle
What’s with the no-archive? You’re not posting with a valid email. You’re not using your real name anywhere. Who or what are you trying to hide from?

I like to use Google and the archives that they got from deja news when searching old posts from RSU. Setting the no-archive keeps your messages from being archived by Google and makes searches there less useful.

I have 170’s on my 26" DM, but wish I’d have got the 150’s. Now it’s costly to change them (only DM’s fit the hub). I find myself spinning way too fast, but don’t have that many hills. So I don’t know if 150’s would work. I’d guess it really has more to do with where you ride and how fast you want to go. (Shorter=faster Longer=more power.)

I’ve got 170mm Kookas on my 24" Bedford and I don’t think they are too long for Muni. For trials the only problem I have is that with an air seat (Roach) my seat is lowered all the way down and I’d still like some more clearance. I’d actually like to cut down my seat tube by about 3/4 of an inch. I suppose I could use a smaller air seat but the ride is so comfy.:smiley:
A long seat tube and a short inseam make for some difficulty.

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John,

I indirectly unleashed rhysling (and Animation) onto this newsgroup. So I
have a good reason for wanting to remain anonymous :slight_smile:

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