Accents

Mention has been made of accents recently in the forum. Aussie accents, Canadian Accents. I find them all fascination, some impossible to fathom, but fascinating.
An Oz friend claimed that all Aussie accents were the same. Are they? I wonder why? The distances involved are far greater than here in the UK. In the UK I hear people claim they can pinpoint any individual to within a few streets. And certainly within any large city even I can identify major differences in the way people speak.
Any idea how such fine grained accents came about? And why have they not apparently been diluted by the ubiquitous TV, and how well will they survive the modern trend for mobility of populations?

Nao

Interesting subject. I doubt all Australian accents really are the same, any more than all American, English, French or Indian accents are the same. There may well be similarities that mean that any Australian accent is easily identifiable as Australian.

Be that as it may, if you are interested in the subject, you need to understand the differences between accent and dialect, syntax and vocabulary. All these things combine to identify where someone comes from.

And someone’s origin isn’t just geographical. You get ethnic accents, class accents and so on.

It has been said that in England everyone is looked down on by someone else because of their accent. You get snobbery and inverse snobbery.

In the midlands and north, we tend to use a short a (grass rhymes with ass) and in the south east they tend to use a long a (grass rhymes with arse. In the south west and some other predominantly rural districts, the a is long and slightly drawled graarse.

In the north east, the vocabulary is influenced heavily by the Vikings. They have words like [I]hoy /I. In the south east, the language is more Saxon or Norman French in origin, so the vocabulary is different again. In the south west, there is Celtic influence - shown in the place names, but also in expressions.

Syntax: there are was towns and were towns. The “standard” English verb goes: I was, you were, he was, we were, you all were, they were. In some towns, they only say “was”. (I was, you was, we was…) and in in other towns they only say were, “I were, you were, he were…”

Then there are verb endings. “Standard” English has words like “broken”, “woken” etc. In Nottingham, the locals don’t say, “It’s broken” but “It’s broke.”

Interestingly, the “…en” ending is the older form. In America, they still say “gotten” although this died out centuries ago in England. A rare example of the Americans being conservative with our language. (America: the land that gave us disambiguate when clarify is so much simpler.)

So where do these accents come from? They are stronger in areas where there are few outside influences. Words develop or remain unchanged in a way that suits the local community, much like finches evolved for specific niches in Galapagos. As TV and radio have exposed us to a wider range of accents, changes are happening. In Nottingham and Derby, the traditional endearment is “duck” (Ey up mi duck = Hello my friend). The influence of the TV series Coronation Street (set in the north west) has introduced “chuck” as an alternative to “mi duck”. We now have Nottinghamians saying, “Ey up chuck.” (Shudder!)

I notice that as people grow more confident and gain education, they tend to soften their strong regional accents - and then as they approach retirement, they seem to readopt their original accent, almost self consciously, as if reasserting their identity as part of their home community. An accent can be a powerful “tribal” bonding force.

For an example of accents from around the world, there is the long lost greetings gallery available.

http://www.unicyclist.com/gallery/greetings

Note: I think “mee” is Kristine. Right?

haha yeah its mee :stuck_out_tongue: I didnt know when I named the file that it was the actual name that would show up. SILLY MEE! Computers are still above me.

I’ll see if I can change it if you don’t mind.

Bruce

Edit: That was easy.

awww thats yoppers. Greatly appreciated.

Your Aussie friend must not have seen much of Australia! The most striking example I can think of is a comparison between Slim Dusty and your average Aussie hip hop artist. Interestingly, a similar comparison can be made between generations of Australian families…now there’s that dilution for you. I think I’m somewhere in the middle. :slight_smile: I’ll have to get around to recording a greeting for that gallery album soon.

Andrew

i dont know its kinda weird around here, my town of evansville is decently sized, 220,000 give or take, we have no accents… and i have been told this by several of my candian friends… but go fifteen minutes south… and they have really thick sonthern accents… 15 minutes north same deal… but the immediate surrounding of my town have no accents…

did that make sense?

Chase

you guys do have an accent, everyone has one…it just might not be as apparent as a heavy accent.

I wish I had a cool foreign accent, foreign accents are sexy…

Damn, I just realized how boring my voice is!

You’re from Northern Idaho, aren’t you? You should have a foreign accent then. :slight_smile: My mom grew up in Burley, and we used to get a kick out of listening to old tapes she made when she first got married.

You do have a foreign accent. :slight_smile:

“euroaccent” might describe what he wants, if only it were a real word… (i just made it up, it’s like eurocurrency) anyway, to my untrained ear all brits, aussies, kiwis, and south africans sound the same.

Your ear must have undergone one hellishly effective period of untraining.

Nao

She is from Melbourne…might that explain it? She has been to the UK several times, and has scattered relatives here, so experienced a wide range of UK accents. Maybe what she should have said was that in OZ there is far less difference between the regions? Usually accent variation is more noticeable to the natives, but the UK and the USA have very many extremes of accent, obvious to all. Other countries may do but I have limited knowledge of their languages. When I go home now, I am told I have a British accent, yet my family still sound as they always did. If they didn’t know where I had been living, I wonder if they would have applied the same description? They have heard no one else speak, who has also spent time here. But certainly time in the UK has affected the way I speak even my own language.

Nao

Okay, folks. Time to ante up and prove your accent to the world. The greetings gallery is there just for that purpose. So hook up your mic and get a file uploaded so we can all hear your sweet, dulcet tones.

http://www.unicyclist.com/gallery/greetings

kristines voice is so…sweet.

I’m in there now, finally. Sorry for the shameless ardvertising. :wink:

Andrew

i added myself even though i don’t particularly like my voice…

That’s interesting - the only person I’ve ever known to call everybody “duck” was my maternal grandmother, who was from the South-East and lived in Brighton pretty much her whole life. I don’t think she had any connections with the Derby area… I wonder where she got it from.

About telling accents apart: I find it quite hard to tell between Australian and NZ accents, although there is a subtle difference if heard together. S.African sounds pretty similar to me as well, but not as close as Aus and NZ. I honestly can’t tell the difference between American and Canadian, although people claim they are completely different. There are some US accents that are obviously recognisable, such as Texas or New York.

As for my accent, I’ve always lived in the South-West of England, but I don’t have a strong local accent. Some people seem to be able to tell where I’m from (notably foreigners) so there must be something recognisable. I’ve spoken to one German-speaking Swiss bloke (in French - it’s a long story) who thought I was Australian.

Rob