A unicycle for me?

I broke my bicycle, cracked the frame at the rear fork. The part that the
wheel bolts on to is completely separated from both the tubes. So I’m
thinking of commuting by unicycle now, except I’ve managed to crack the
fork on the cheap unicycle I have. It’s held together with hose clamps,
and that seems to be doing all right for the moment. I seem to be hard
on cycles.

I can’t spend the money on a new bicycle right now, but maybe I can get a
new unicycle. Something with a larger wheel, and one that laughs at the
weight of a 230 pound guy. What kind of prices and brands would I be
looking at? I’ve seen some on eBay for less than $100, but I really know
nothing about unicycles, so I don’t know what to look for and what to avoid.

Also, the route to work includes a stretch of busy road with no shoulder
or bike path. I have no problem riding on the road with a bicycle, I can
stay straight and narrow. But what about a unicycle? It seems a bit more
dangerous. Maybe I can ride on the grass, work on off-road unicycling,
but I’ve always dismounted immediately whenever I’ve tried it.

Should a commuting unicycle have a fender? Lights? Heck, does anyone
sell a full-featured commuting unicycle, ready to go?


“Is that plutonium on your gums?”
“Shut up and kiss me!”
– Marge and Homer Simpson

I have to say, first off, that my initial reaction to this post was “Is this a troll?”

Let’s try to avoid wars about cokers vs. 29ers.

That said, I am interested in a similar unicycle soon, so I very much look forward to reading the recommendations. I have to say that I have been concerned about the strength of a reasonably priced commuter uni. I weigh 245 and I would hate to go through a lot of wheels just commuting and easy trail riding.

Re: A unicycle for me?

Gregory L. Hansen wrote:
> Should a commuting unicycle have a fender? Lights?

A mudguard (US - fender) makes commuting in the wet much more
comfortable. It’s easy enough to mount a mudguard of the type designed
to attach to the seatpost on a mountain bike. I’ve got one on my Coker.

If there’s any chance of being out after dark then of course you’ll want
lights. It’s easy enough to mount a red LED to the seatpost. For front
lights, where are you likely to be riding? Do you need lights to see
by, to be seen by, or both?

The best place to mount front lights to see by is on a helmet (the only
reason to wear a helmet on a unicycle IMHO, other than for serious
muni). When I Coker home from work in the winter I use helmet mounted
Lumicycles http://www.lumicycle.co.uk , with a red LED lamp attached to
the back of my helmet, another on the back of my Camelbak and a white
LED lamp attached to the Camelbak waist strap at the front.

And speaking of the Camelbak, you’ll want water. There’s no space on a
Coker to mount a bottle cage. A Pashley Muni has mounting bosses for
two bottle cages, though I find it uncomfortable to ride with a bottle
cage at the front. I find my Camelbak MULE to be ideal.


Danny Colyer (remove safety to reply) ( http://www.juggler.net/danny )
Recumbent cycle page: http://www.speedy5.freeserve.co.uk/recumbents/
“He who dares not offend cannot be honest.” - Thomas Paine

I own both a Coker and a 28. In my view, the Coker is loads more fun, but the 28 is the one I’d use if I were mixing with traffic or crowds of pedestrians. No doubt about it: it’s easier to mount in difficult circumstances, easier to start and stop, easier to idle, and easier to steer. And if you fall off the back of a Coker, it can roll a long way, seat dragging… not a good idea in traffic.

So, assuming you choose a 28 (or 29, 700c, 27, or broadly similar wheel size) what next?

If you’re riding on the road, look like you ought to be on the road. At the very least, I’d say that means wearing a proper cycle helmet, and possibly a dayglo/reflective jacket or sash. You want motorists to see you as an unusual, but responsible, cyclist, not as ‘some clown who shouldn’t be there’.

Lights: my 28 has LED lights front and rear, so that the unicycle can be seen. The rear light is on the seat tube up near the seat; the front light is just above the fork crown. In these positions, it is unlikely that they will be damaged in a ‘normal’ UPD.

As a safety measure, I put a thin elastic band around the body of each light, to hold the lens on a bit more securely. In a sudden UPD, a light can dismantle and scatter all over the road. the elastic band prevents this.

A computer/trip counter adds to the ‘looks like a vehicle, not a toy’ credibility.

But most important of all, don’t mix it with the traffic unless you are very confident. You need to be virtually 100% with your freemounting, and able to start, steer and stop confidently and accurately. The ability to idle confidently is valuable, if not completely necessary.

Re: A unicycle for me?

In article <Mandell.ppafa@timelimit.unicyclist.com>,
Mandell <Mandell.ppafa@timelimit.unicyclist.com> wrote:
>
>I have to say, first off, that my initial reaction to this post was “Is
>this a troll?”

Cool, I trolled a newsgroup.

>
>Let’s try to avoid wars about cokers vs. 29ers.

I don’t know what either of them are.

>
>That said, I am interested in a similar unicycle soon, so I very much
>look forward to reading the recommendations. I have to say that I have
>been concerned about the strength of a reasonably priced commuter uni.
>I weigh 245 and I would hate to go through a lot of wheels just
>commuting and easy trail riding.

Well, I just took my cheapie for a spin. After quite a number of aborted
attempts, I took a few figure-eights around the playground, rolled across
the grass, and then took off down the street. I’d forgotten how hard that
is on my legs, especially the thighs. I’d forgotten about resting my
entire body weight on my nuts. I’ll have to practice a little more before
I decide how serious I want to be.

Anyway, I was hoping for some specific advice on brand names, sellers,
prices, eBay advice, that sort of thing. How to find and select an actual
peice of merchandise.

I’ve found some Pashleys at Braun’s in the $500 range, which is a lot more
than I wanted to spend. And some sub-$100 models at a toy seller, not
interested in those, either. But I don’t have any kind of feel for what I
should get for what I pay.


“Is that plutonium on your gums?”
“Shut up and kiss me!”
– Marge and Homer Simpson

I bought a 28" Sun a while back and it seems to be holding up very well for the price, check it out here:

http://www.unicycle.com/shopping/shopexd.asp?id=652

Re: A unicycle for me?

In article <KrashinKenny.priin@timelimit.unicyclist.com>,
Krashin’Kenny <KrashinKenny.priin@timelimit.unicyclist.com> wrote:
>
>I bought a 28" Sun a while back and it seems to be holding up very well
>for the price, check it out here:
>
>http://www.unicycle.com/shopping/shopexd.asp?id=652

Now that looks like a candidate! It’s a lot like the cheap one I have,
except mine has forks that just come straight down with a pair of holes
drilled into the ends to receive bolts for the wheel. Mine has a smaller
wheel, too. Holes are stress concentrators, I think that’s why my fork
cracked there. Looking at the picture, this seems to have thicker metal
and the bolts only take twisty movements, not the rider’s weight.


“Is that plutonium on your gums?”
“Shut up and kiss me!”
– Marge and Homer Simpson

Coker = a unicycle with a tyre made by the Coker Tire Company. They are unique in having a 36 inch diameter wheel. They are fast and fun, but hard to tame.

29er = any unicycle with a 29 inch diameter wheel. In reality, this is usually a 700c wheel (standard bicycle size) with an extra fat tyre.

Any unicycle can be used for commuting, but the bigger wheels give a faster smoother ride. A 24 might be too small. A 26 would usually have a knobbly tyre and not be much fun on tarmac or concrete. Therefore, 28/29 inch wheels might be your best choice.

The reference to ‘trolling’ was no doubt jocular, but you might not have known that there is a long standing good-natured rivalry between the advocates of Cokers (36 inch wheel) and 29ers (29 inch wheels). It is not unknown for this friendly rivalry to result in long and pointless discussions in this forum. (Although these discussions are usually fun.)

Back to commuting: yes, a unicycle can make a fast, safe and convenient vehicle for short commuting journeys. Some people commute 10 or more miles (16+ kilometres) each way. Remember, though, that unicycling is a sweaty activity, and that unicycles are not at their best on steep hills.

You referred to the holes drilled in the forks for two bolts. This arrangement is referred to as ‘lollipop bearings’ because that’s what the bearing holders look like when you slip them out of the fork. The consensus is that they are not as good as ‘main cap’ bearing holders: the sort where the bearings are held in place by a C shaped clamp at the bottom of each fork leg.

Recommending a make and model is difficult without us knowing more about your ability and your preferences. For a good quality, cheap(ish) and reliable unicycle, you can’t go wrong with a Nimbus (UK name) or Yuni (same thing, US name) from unicycle.com or unicycle.uk.com .

Whatever you buy, you can always upgrade or customise. Typical changes include:
Swapping the cranks for longer or shorter ones.
Changing the seat.
Upgrading the pedals (most off the shelf unicycles come with basic cheap pedals.)
Changing the tyre for one which suits your type of riding (on road, off road, etc.)

Hope that helps.

The Sun 28" looks like it would be fine for commuting on. As Mikefule pointed out, the C-shaped clamps are stronger than the lollipop-style bearings. And it looks like the Sun has the C-shaped ones (anyone care to correct me on that?)
The one thing that doesn’t seem too comfy is the seat. You can get used to any seat, but I might recommend upgrading to a Kris Holm seat or a Miyata airseat. They seem to be the preferred comfortable seats out there. Either one should allow you to put more weight on the seat, reducing the strain on the thighs and on other important “man parts.”
Krashin’ Kenny, what do you think of the seat it came with?

The seat that it came with is actually quite comfortable
( Velo/Viscount shape) and the seat post base is slotted so that you can adjust the angle of the saddle, It has ovalized fork legs with main cap style bearing holders which should add to its lifespan

Re: A unicycle for me?

In article <Mikefule.prvxz@timelimit.unicyclist.com>,
Mikefule <Mikefule.prvxz@timelimit.unicyclist.com> wrote:

>Back to commuting: yes, a unicycle can make a fast, safe and convenient
>vehicle for short commuting journeys. Some people commute 10 or more
>miles (16+ kilometres) each way. Remember, though, that unicycling is a
>sweaty activity, and that unicycles are not at their best on steep
>hills.

I’m just looking at about a four mile ride, but it takes a while to walk
it. I took my rickety uni for a spin yesterday for the first in a while,
and I sweated, indeed. I was hoping that with practice it will become
physically easier and less sweaty.

What do you do about the thing where your entire body weight rests on your
nuts? I’ve been able to position myself comfortably if I have a pole to
hang on to, but it never works out that way when I mount from the ground.

>
>You referred to the holes drilled in the forks for two bolts. This
>arrangement is referred to as ‘lollipop bearings’ because that’s what
>the bearing holders look like when you slip them out of the fork. The
>consensus is that they are not as good as ‘main cap’ bearing holders:
>the sort where the bearings are held in place by a C shaped clamp at the
>bottom of each fork leg.

That seemed right, thanks.

>
>Recommending a make and model is difficult without us knowing more about
>your ability and your preferences. For a good quality, cheap(ish) and
>reliable unicycle, you can’t go wrong with a Nimbus (UK name) or Yuni
>(same thing, US name) from unicycle.com or unicycle.uk.com .

I’ll give them a look. My ability is pretty modest.

“Is that plutonium on your gums?”
“Shut up and kiss me!”
– Marge and Homer Simpson

Re: A unicycle for me?

In article <Mikefule.prvxz@timelimit.unicyclist.com>,
Mikefule <Mikefule.prvxz@timelimit.unicyclist.com> wrote:

>Recommending a make and model is difficult without us knowing more about
>your ability and your preferences. For a good quality, cheap(ish) and
>reliable unicycle, you can’t go wrong with a Nimbus (UK name) or Yuni
>(same thing, US name) from unicycle.com or unicycle.uk.com .

Some of these prices are astonishing, given the simplicity of design.
What’s the difference between a $94 Sun and a $320 Semcycle?

I’m thinking in terms of a 28" wheel, but I take it that 26" is better for
off-road use? I was thinking I could get a 26" wheel with a knobby to put
on the uni when I wanted to try that, but then I thought if I had a wheel
and cranks and everything, I probably have more than half of a second
unicycle, and I might as well get the frame and seat while I’m at it. But
not now.


“Is that plutonium on your gums?”
“Shut up and kiss me!”
– Marge and Homer Simpson

Gregory L. Hansen

What do you do about the thing where your entire body weight rests on your
nuts? I’ve been able to position myself comfortably if I have a pole to
hang on to, but it never works out that way when I mount from the ground.

When getting ready to mount, position the seat between your legs but put it too far back; then pull it forward to the correct position so it cunningly and inconspicuously sweeps the nuts out of harms way.

After a while this action will become instinctive and your nuts will never again suffer the indignity of being sat upon.

First, the problem with sitting on your nuts: you can mount without your full weight on the saddle, then as you sit down, slide yourself slightly backwards and the seat slightly forwards. This pulls the vulnerable parts out of the way. or you can do what I do, and swing them over your shoulder - this is easier on a warm day.

Now the difference(s) between a cheap unicycle and an expensive one…

Yes, there is almost certainly an element of fashion, and if you pay twice as much, you might get something that isn’t twice as good - but it will be better. This is the same with any piece of sports equipment, or, indeed, most consumer goods.

Working from the ground up:

Tyre (US = tire). At UK proces, you can buy a knobbly 24 inch tyre for about 4 Pounds (approx US$6). You can also pay 30 Pounds or more. The better tyre will be more durable, have a bigger profile, better designed grip, and so on. Probably more important on an off roader or trials uni than a commuter though.

Wheel rim. Cheap rims are made of steel, with chrome plating. They are heavy and crudely made. The chrome pits and the steel rusts. Better rims are made of aluminium alloy which is lighter and doesn’t rust. There are different grades of alloy, varying in strength and (slightly) in lightness. Then you must consider the section of the rim. A deep section may hold the tyre bead more securely; some have an aerodynamic section (seldom relevant, but looks good!); some are wider, and can take a fatter tyre (better for grip, comfort, and tricks); some have a chambered construction for greater rigidity.

Spokes. A standard wheel has 36 spokes. Specialised wheels for heavy duty use have more, so are stronger. A cheap wheel is assembled entirely by machine, and the spoke tension is very approximate. A more expensive wheel may be either hand tensioned (better) or completely hand built (best of all). A hand tensioned or hand built wheel will take more hard use before it starts to go out of shape.

Hub. One end of each spoke goes into a flange in the hub. the diameter of the flanges can vary. A bigger flange makes a stronger wheel. The width of the hub can vary, meaning that the frame has to be the right width.

The hub is the point of contact with the cranks which lead to the pedals. On very cheap unicycles, the cranks are attached using cotter pins. This is most unsatisfactory as they work loose, and the pins can shear. Also, there is only a limited selection of cottered cranks available. Better hubs have square tapers on the axles, so that a ‘cotterless crank’ can slip over the end and be held in place with a nut (or bolt). The best hubs of all are splined (same cross section as a cog) and these are much more secure and durable if the unicycle is going to receive hard use, including jumps and drops.

The cranks can vary in quality and weight, with a choice of steel or aluminium alloy. Certain makes are prone to bending or snapping with hard use. Some makes are available in a bigger range of lengths. Changing the length of the cranks is one way of ‘tuning’ a unicycle to optimise it for high speed, or steep hill climbing, etc.

The pedals. many unicycles come from the shop with cheap basic pedals because it is assumed that the owner will fit upgraded pedals to suit. Pedals can vary in price from about 4 Pounds to over 100 Pounds. It depends on the design, the material, the weight, the quality of the bearings, and whether the pins 9for grip) are replaceable or not.

Back to the hub: it has bearings attached. These can be sealed or not sealed. Sealed are better.

The bearings can be held in place with ‘lollipop’ bearing holders, or C shaped clamps. The clamps are better. Lollipops can be hard to remove, and the can damage the bottoms of the forks.

The clamps may be made of stamped and pressed steel, or machined from solid metal, or even (I guess) cast. Machined ones are more expensive, but more rugged.

Then there’s the forks. Different grades of metal, with different diameter tubing. Sometimes the tubes are simple cyclinders; on better ones, they are shaped to be strong in the right palces and the right directions. The forks join at the crown, which may be a simple Y shaped butted joint, or a more complex shape with a place to put your foot when doing tricks. Some frames use lugs; castings which have sockets into which the ends of the fork tubes are welded.

Then there’s the seat tube, which can be (approx.) 22mm or 25mm. 25 is thicker, stronger, but heavier.

This influences the choice and availability of seat clamp. Cheaper unicycles have very crude quick release seat clamps (used to sdjust the height of the seat), whereas better unis have quite sophisticated clamps, sometimes with 2 Allen bolts.

Then there’s the seat tube, with a variety of qualities and weights.

And the saddle. Is your posterior worth only a cheap saddle?

At UK prices, 50 Pounds buys a cheap basic unicycle which a keen rider would soon find limiting; 125 - 150 Pounds buys one which will be light, capable and durable; 200 Pounds plus buys one that’s a bit special.

Apart from my first one, I’ve always bought mid range ones, then upgraded the pedals and cranks. I have 3 Nimbuses (‘Nimbi’?) one each of 20, 24 and 28 inch, and I’ve found them all satisfactory. The Nimbus 2 frame is more stylish, better for tricks, and worth a little bit more money, although some people find that the fork crown can catch the inside of the knee on the larger sizes.

I’ve stuck my neck out here on technical detail, so no doubt someone cleverer than I am will find much fault in the above, but at least it should be enough to explain the big dofferences in prices you’ve noticed.

Re: A unicycle for me?

In article <Mikefule.psxob@timelimit.unicyclist.com>,
Mikefule <Mikefule.psxob@timelimit.unicyclist.com> wrote:
>
>First, the problem with sitting on your nuts: you can mount without your
>full weight on the saddle, then as you sit down, slide yourself slightly
>backwards and the seat slightly forwards. This pulls the vulnerable
>parts out of the way. or you can do what I do, and swing them over
>your shoulder - this is easier on a warm day.
>
>Now the difference(s) between a cheap unicycle and an expensive one…
>
>Yes, there is almost certainly an element of fashion, and if you pay
>twice as much, you might get something that isn’t twice as good - but it
>will be better. This is the same with any piece of sports equipment,
>or, indeed, most consumer goods.

There is that. My intuition of bicycles says that $500 gets you something
halfway decent, and you can spend more and more for less and less benefit,
but still some benefit.

I looked at wheels, and the 28" wheel assembly (including cranks) for the
Sun was $74, while the whole unicycle was $94. And that seems about
right. Bicycle wheels run about $50 and up. Other wheel offerings were
around $150 without cranks, undoubtedly around the same quality as $150
bicycle wheels.

[And so on…]

I guess that gives me some idea what I need. I’m not going to be doing
any particularly spectacular tricks or off-road riding, so I only need
adequate strength. I like the cheap plastic pedals just fine, honest.
I could probably learn to love a better seat if I ever try one, but for
now I have no idea what I’m missing. But I’m considering the 28" Sun,
which Krashin’ Kenny (?) said has a pretty good seat. As for weight,
shaving off 5 pounds is worth 2% of my body weight. I don’t compete, so I
guess I’m not that concerned.

What about suspension? Gears? I’m sure somebody must have tried it.
I’ve seen videos of mountain bikers dropping ten feet and more, something
they probably couldn’t do without suspension. If mountain unicyclers want
to match them, I think they’ll need it, too. Carbon fiber spokes? My
basic theory of humanity is that anything I can think of doing, someone
has probably already tried.


“Is that plutonium on your gums?”
“Shut up and kiss me!”
– Marge and Homer Simpson

Thanks, Mikefule, for the detailed run down on “why buy a more expensive unicycle”. I was trying to answer this question for a friend of mine recently. I think I will forward your post to him (with credit, of course).

One thing I haven’t seen yet is a response about wheel strength for us heavier riders. I weigh in at 245 lbs and my intuition tells me that a standard 36 spoke wheel may not survive long under me (note: riding plan for the 28/29 calls for paved and crushed gravel bike trails only, no serious trail riding). Any comments on the strength of the wheels?

Are there any unicycles that come with unsealed bearings on the hub?

The early Cokers mistakenly came with sealed bearings that were only sealed on one side of the bearing, effectively making them as effective as unsealed bearings. The Cokers now come with bearings that are sealed on both sides. But other than that case with the early Cokers I believe that all unicycles, except for the ultra cheap ones that use a solid tire kids tricycle wheel, use sealed bearings on the hub.

Pedals come in sealed an unsealed flavors. Pedals with sealed bearings are more expensive. But unsealed pedals can, and do, work just fine for unicycling.

I can’t be sure, but my general experience of life tells me that if it is possible to make something cheaper and worse, someone will do it. They will then advertise it as having the virtues of rugged simplicity, no frills, traditional design or even <yuk> ‘retro’.

graphical dictionary

excellent posting but at one moment I got lost
because of my language limitations!
again an invitation to complete the excellent postings made
after my request for a jargon file and a graphical dictionary
for non-native speakers.

terms that elude me :

  • cotter pins

  • cottered cranks

  • square tappers on the hub

  • splined hubs

  • “lollipops” bearing holders (difference with C-shaped)

BTW I think the plural of nimbus is nimbus

thanks

bear

Re: graphical dictionary

If you wanted English/German, I could help you, but my french speaking days were long ago, at school.

You may wish to try http://babelfish.altavista.com/babelfish/tr , but these translation programs are very limited, although the results can be quite amusing sometimes.

Phil